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POTUS 45.40: If You Need a Lawyer, Don't Hire Michael Cohen

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About him....

Murder suspect Cristhian Bahena Rivera worked under fake name

When Rivera was hired in 2014, he presented an out-of-state government-issued photo identification and a matching Social Security card, he said. That information was run through the Social Security Administration's employment-verification system and checked out, he said.
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"He showed up every day, and he did his job. He was patted on his back. They turned a blind eye to the reality of documentation," [Rivera's defense attorney, Allan] Richards said.
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So who's fault is this? Mollie Tibbetts for being a pretty young woman? The farm for following the legal minimum requirements but not finding out he was actually illegal? Cristhian Rivera for coming to America illegally as a child? The US Government for not stopping Rivera (and his family?) at the border?
 
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I know the defense attorney. Let's just say I'd probably use a first year, freshly minted public defender over him, and I'll leave it at that.
 
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aparch said:
About him....

Murder suspect Cristhian Bahena Rivera worked under fake name




So who's fault is this? Mollie Tibbetts for being a pretty young woman? The farm for following the legal minimum requirements but not finding out he was actually illegal? Cristhian Rivera for coming to America illegally as a child? The US Government for not stopping Rivera (and his family?) at the border?
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Rivera for his attitude towards women is the #1 blame. Period.

The rest is secondary blame, but also valid reason.
 
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unofan said:
I know the defense attorney. Let's just say I'd probably use a first year, freshly minted public defender over him, and I'll leave it at that.
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Yikes.
 
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Brenthoven said:
It was posted in the last thread, didn't respond before it got locked.

Do not associate one issue with the other. One has NO bearing on the other. However, BOTH are relevant issues. If he wasn't here, he wouldn't have the opportunity to commit such a heinous crime (at least in our country).
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Say a CEO commits securities fraud then later goes on to kill his wife. Should we then have a national freakout session over how lax we are on pursuing white collar criminals? I mean, if he would have been in jail, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill his wife!!!
 
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GrinCDXX said:
Say a CEO commits securities fraud then later goes on to kill his wife. Should we then have a national freakout session over how lax we are on pursuing white collar criminals? I mean, if he would have been in jail, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill his wife!!!
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We are lax on that. And when "convicted" they go to some country club prison. If they are convicted. Most likely fined, and oftentimes the fine is not even close to what they make from the golden parachute when they are fired for such crime. Nice try, though.
 
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Brenthoven said:
We are lax on that. And when "convicted" they go to some country club prison. If they are convicted. Most likely fined, and oftentimes the fine is not even close to what they make from the golden parachute when they are fired for such crime. Nice try, though.
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Wooooosh
 
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GrinCDXX said:
Wooooosh
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Nope. If that CEO was convicted, like s/he should have been, then no, no opportunity to commit future crimes.

However, and this AGAIN is the secondary blame, that is less important than the attitude of the criminal committing the more brutal crime.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Nope. If that CEO was convicted, like s/he should have been, then no, no opportunity to commit future crimes.

However, and this AGAIN is the secondary blame, that is less important than the attitude of the criminal committing the more brutal crime.
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Exactly. And in such a scenario do you honestly think anyone would be focusing on the white collar criminal aspect? This white collar criminal killed his wife! We must go after white collar criminals!
 
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GrinCDXX said:
Exactly. And in such a scenario do you honestly think anyone would be focusing on the white collar criminal aspect? This white collar criminal killed his wife! We must go after white collar criminals!
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It isn't but it should be. I think you have me confused with a racist/Trumper. ;)
 
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Brenthoven said:
It isn't but it should be. I think you have me confused with a racist/Trumper. ;)
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Let me put it another way. The point you're making has exactly as much merit as calling for open borders because an illegal immigrant saved a baby from a burning building.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
Let me put it another way. The point you're making has exactly as much merit as calling for open borders because an illegal immigrant saved a baby from a burning building.
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I wouldn't call for that either. Reason being? Illegal immigrant. I have an issue with illegal immigrants, not legal ones. :p
 
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Brenthoven said:
I wouldn't call for that either. Reason being? Illegal immigrant. I have an issue with illegal immigrants, not legal ones. :p
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And the point I'm making is "Change the attitudes of males towards females." THEN I'm making the illegal immigrant argument. In that order.

Edit: I'm not making YOUR point. Hence, I'm supposedly dense. Such is the environment nowadays.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I'd be fine with that. This little *er needs to be punished.
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I'll remember this the next time you tell us to wait for the facts when we're bashing a cop who kills a black guy.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And the point I'm making is "Change the attitudes of males towards females." THEN I'm making the illegal immigrant argument. In that order.

Edit: I'm not making YOUR point. Hence, I'm supposedly dense. Such is the environment nowadays.
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What's funny about that is that your assumption of why I said you were being dense, is another instance of you being dense.
 
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mookie1995 said:
If you need to spell.out your point, the problem is you, not the audience.
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So tell me, what was unclear about that last point I tried to make?

Also, notice how I was able to understand the point you were trying to make even though it wasn't direct? I know, amazing right?
 
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unofan said:
I'll remember this the next time you tell us to wait for the facts when we're bashing a cop who kills a black guy.
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Rivera says that at some point, he panicked, got mad and doesn't remember what happened next, according to the affidavit.
The next thing he remembers is being at an intersection in rural Poweshiek County and driving to a cornfield, court documents say.
When he noticed an earpiece from headphones on his lap, he realized he had put the woman in the trunk of his car. When he went to get her out of the trunk, he "noticed blood on the side of her head," according to the affidavit.

I think I have what I need in this particular case.
 
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