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[Rover]

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No it isn't, he's a bag man for the financial industry, charter schools, oligarchs, and basically everything else the Republicans want in terms of economic issues. The guy isn't all that distinguishable from Mitt Romney on those issues.

And explain how she's an idiot. She has a history of activism, she has good policies, she explains them well for the most part. It's not like she's your average out of touch celeb.

IIRC Cuomo banned fracking, got the state legislature to legalize same sex marriage and passed a free college tuition bill. Having The Mittster as my governor back in the day, I'm fairly sure he wasn't in favor of any of those liberal policies back then, and certainly hasn't been since he ran for Prez on 2012 to present day.

Cuomo seems like a moderate. That's not the same thing as a Republican as moderate Republicans don't exist.

 

[Kepler]

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No it isn't, he's a bag man for the financial industry, charter schools, oligarchs, and basically everything else the Republicans want in terms of economic issues. The guy isn't all that distinguishable from Mitt Romney on those issues.

And explain how she's an idiot. She has a history of activism, she has good policies, she explains them well for the most part. It's not like she's your average out of touch celeb.

If Rover keeps agreeing with me I may change my mind.

My impressions of Nixon are from watching her speaking engagements, which are unimpressive and marked by all the intellectual ability of a very pretty white mouse. I do not care for her. She seems to me to be running a vanity campaign for her ego.

I am all in favor of her policies. If you're telling me she'll help the cause, then fine, I'll accept that. She comes across to me as superficial and empty. But if she wins elections because she's big with People Magazine Voters, inshallah. There are a lot of them and American Idol gets a bigger turnout than the US presidential election.

 

[aparch]

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Senator Bob Corker finally finds his balls, uses them.

Retirement sure brings out the best "fu**-it" attitudes, doesn't it?

 

[Kepler]

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Senator Bob Corker finally finds his balls, uses them.

Retirement sure brings out the best "fu**-it" attitudes, doesn't it?

That and presumably whatever corporate lobby shop he'll be jumping to has given him his marching orders. Just a whore being passed from one john to the next.

Hope he gives the Boiled Ham in a Wig an aneurysm.

 

[French Rage]

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He accused the Canadians of burning down the WH during the War of 1812 as a national security reason during his call with Trudeau...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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He accused the Canadians of burning down the WH during the War of 1812 as a national security reason during his call with Trudeau...

jfc

 

[Stauber1]

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Tell me again how Hillary was a lock.

I'm not saying on everything. But time and again, the Dems show exactly how spineless they are by backing down to Republicans on policy. I see you didn't even bother to address the things I mentioned, but brought up a bunch of others. OK,

CHiP. An already existing program that electing a Dem meant it would continue. Nothing new,. groundbreaking, or particularly game-changing about it.

ACA. A Rube Goldberg contraption based on a Conservative think tank's policy papers. Truly progressive. And they killed their bargaining power from the get-go by taking the public option, let alone single payer, off the table.

Dodd-Frank was about the most watered down financial "regulation" they could get passed, as again, they wouldn't fight the Repubs for anything tougher. But once again, policy straight out of that centrist, Third Way, Republican lite that you think the Dems should be. And what about this most recent horrible banking legislation they joined with the Repubs to get passed?


Donald Trump ran on a populist message, even though just an act, and got elected. But somehow, the Democrats shouldn't go that way, and should stick to the tried and true milquetoast stances that got them smoked by Trump in the first place. What's the definition of insanity again?


But Hillary was a lock, right?

I definitely want single-payer as well, but do people really fail to see that the medicaid expansion was absolutely monumental for millions of people? The health exchanges, subsidies, etc. were only a small part of what the ACA did.
Passing the ACA cost a lot of political capitol. One aspect of that was Nancy Pelosi having to convince a number of Dem Reps to stick their necks out and vote for something that could very likely, and in many cases did, cost them their jobs. It's something people seem to have forgotten too easily.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I definitely want single-payer as well, but do people really fail to see that the medicaid expansion was absolutely monumental for millions of people? The health exchanges, subsidies, etc. were only a small part of what the ACA did.
Passing the ACA cost a lot of political capitol. One aspect of that was Nancy Pelosi having to convince a number of Dem Reps to stick their necks out and vote for something that could very likely, and in many cases did, cost them their jobs. It's something people seem to have forgotten too easily.

Correct. Everyone has forgotten.

 

[Rogie21]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SCOOP: When Trudeau pressed Trump on national security justification for tariffs on Canada Trump responded: “didn’t you guys burn down the WH?” That was Britain during the War of 1812 <a href="https://t.co/tj4iHX7wPD">https://t.co/tj4iHX7wPD</a></p>— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) <a href="https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1004408894301593600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Don't know much about history...don't know much biology or science or economics or the Constitution or, for that matter, basic civics. Lying, bullying, projecting, advance aggrieved whining and pulling out all the stops to CYA, those things he knows.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SCOOP: When Trudeau pressed Trump on national security justification for tariffs on Canada Trump responded: “didn’t you guys burn down the WH?” That was Britain during the War of 1812 <a href="https://t.co/tj4iHX7wPD">https://t.co/tj4iHX7wPD</a></p>— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) <a href="https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1004408894301593600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Don't know much about history...don't know much biology or science or economics or the Constitution or, for that matter, basic civics. Lying, bullying, projecting, advance aggrieved whining and pulling out all the stops to CYA, those things he knows.

See post #845

 

[trixR4kids]

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I definitely want single-payer as well, but do people really fail to see that the medicaid expansion was absolutely monumental for millions of people? The health exchanges, subsidies, etc. were only a small part of what the ACA did.
Passing the ACA cost a lot of political capitol. One aspect of that was Nancy Pelosi having to convince a number of Dem Reps to stick their necks out and vote for something that could very likely, and in many cases did, cost them their jobs. It's something people seem to have forgotten too easily.

It cost them their "jobs" because they caved to Joe Liebermann and conservadem types on the public option part rather than holding their feet to the fire and threatening their "jobs". Which is ironic in a number of ways.

 

[Rover]

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I definitely want single-payer as well, but do people really fail to see that the medicaid expansion was absolutely monumental for millions of people? The health exchanges, subsidies, etc. were only a small part of what the ACA did.
Passing the ACA cost a lot of political capitol. One aspect of that was Nancy Pelosi having to convince a number of Dem Reps to stick their necks out and vote for something that could very likely, and in many cases did, cost them their jobs. It's something people seem to have forgotten too easily.

Completely agree. Reminds me of the Brady bill back in Clinton's term. Only time in 50 years the NRA lost on capitol hill, yet Bubba and the Dems apparently spent that whole 8 years only passing Republican legislation, since Republicans are all about defying the NRA. A lot of Dems put their jobs on the line for that as well and were rewarded with indifference from the base during the next mid-term election.

 

[Rover]

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It cost them their "jobs" because they caved to Joe Liebermann and conservadem types on the public option part rather than holding their feet to the fire and threatening their "jobs". Which is ironic in a number of ways.

What part of they didn't have 60 votes do you not understand?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It cost them their "jobs" because they caved to Joe Liebermann and conservadem types on the public option part rather than holding their feet to the fire and threatening their "jobs". Which is ironic in a number of ways.

Nice revisionist history. You would have nothing right now without that compromise.

 

[Rover]

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Nice revisionist history. You would have nothing right now without that compromise.

If Bernie has magical powers, and he was in Congress at the time, why didn't he use his magic wand to make the public option happen?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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If Bernie has magical powers, and he was in Congress at the time, why didn't he use his magic wand to make the public option happen?

One wonders. He was there.

 

[Drew S.]

Completely agree. Reminds me of the Brady bill back in Clinton's term. Only time in 50 years the NRA lost on capitol hill, yet Bubba and the Dems apparently spent that whole 8 years only passing Republican legislation, since Republicans are all about defying the NRA. A lot of Dems put their jobs on the line for that as well and were rewarded with indifference from the base during the next mid-term election.

Maybe some people didn’t like having rights taken away from them?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Maybe some people didn’t like having rights taken away from them?

Certainly more important than all the senseless loss of life. I hear ya.

 

[Slap Shot]

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After scanning through tthe infighting between Kep/Scoobs/rufus/Rover/trix it's no wonder the Dems are a mess.

 

[rufus]

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I definitely want single-payer as well, but do people really fail to see that the medicaid expansion was absolutely monumental for millions of people? The health exchanges, subsidies, etc. were only a small part of what the ACA did.
Passing the ACA cost a lot of political capitol. One aspect of that was Nancy Pelosi having to convince a number of Dem Reps to stick their necks out and vote for something that could very likely, and in many cases did, cost them their jobs. It's something people seem to have forgotten too easily.

Sure. But it's too complicated. Something simple, streamlined, and not so reliant on so many arcane structural, funding, and enrollment mechanisms would be cheaper, more efficient, and easier for those people to use. While the ACA has done a lot of good for a lot of people, it's also made them jump through a lot of hoops that makes it harder for them to use it. It doesn't need to be such a mess.


And it wouldn't be if they'd have just started with the liberal position, single-payer, and then just worked back to a compromise of Medicare for all.