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POTUS 45.30: "Stormy Weather...It Keeps on Rainin' all the Time..."

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ScoobyDoo said:
What the Trump administration is doing with the Census is Evil.
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Like with every last thing about the right, it is full on hypocrisy. Similar to their claim all of their onerous restrictions on abortion access is simply to protect the health of the woman, when we know it is all about imposing their particular beliefs on other people. Hell, if the pro-birth crowd would just admit what they were doing I could offer them begrudging respect for at least being completely honest. The citizenship question on the census form is the same thing. As most know, decades ago this was a standard question, and you can probably make a valid argument as to some legitimacy to mine this particular nugget of data. But the real reason it is being asked is pure racism and anti-immigrant bias. People who call themselves "conservative" are such unbelievable rubes I don't know whether to laugh at them or cry for them. They are all being taken to the cleaners by their party and leaders. That they suffer along with the rest of us, and in most of the more "red" areas of the country they often suffer far worse, is hollow succor for the rest of us who also pay for their misguided votes.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a>: Please come to California and do one of your toxic rallies. Dems are targeting 9 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GOP?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GOP</a> congressional seats and could use your help. <br><br>Show Californians what you are really like unleashed and unrestrained. Go full <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MAGA</a>. And bring Ted Nugent with you. <a href="https://t.co/BQcNN85qnf">https://t.co/BQcNN85qnf</a></p>— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) <a href="https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/980181586355175424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Interesting article that saying the Dem advantage is decent but not as much as folks think it is. It says that the danger is that the arguments made by Dems often don't sync with 'moderates'. Here's a couple of examples:

'Census outrage' - the middle doesn't see asking about citizenship to be unreasonable
'Repeal the tax cuts' - the middle likes tax cuts and Dems are at risk of 'wanting to raise your taxes'
'Resistance to all things Trump' - the middle believes that Dems should work with Trump if it improves their district

Personally, I don't feel this way in the slightest. But I get the serious risks here.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opin...-gop-are-gaining-jennings-opinions/index.html
 
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Neither. He’ll claim we won because we had 10x the number of tariffs placed on China. Then he’ll go back to his Big Mac and Fox News.
 
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Just reflecting this morning and I realize it's almost as bad as I thought it was going to be and that's bad.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Its a bit worse than I thought. But you knew it would be bad.
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This is about where I am. I knew it would be bad but did not fully appreciate how crippling extreme narcissism can be.

Most of those players have oversized egos, but he is something else again.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Just reflecting this morning and I realize it's almost as bad as I thought it was going to be and that's bad.
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He's as bad as I thought he was going to be, but I thought there would be some voices in the GOP saying the emperor has no clothes. I was mistaken, none of them are willing to stand up to the Wrath of Klan and speak truth to derp. They really are an entire party of cowards.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Interesting article that saying the Dem advantage is decent but not as much as folks think it is. It says that the danger is that the arguments made by Dems often don't sync with 'moderates'. Here's a couple of examples:

'Census outrage' - the middle doesn't see asking about citizenship to be unreasonable
'Repeal the tax cuts' - the middle likes tax cuts and Dems are at risk of 'wanting to raise your taxes'
'Resistance to all things Trump' - the middle believes that Dems should work with Trump if it improves their district

Personally, I don't feel this way in the slightest. But I get the serious risks here.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opin...-gop-are-gaining-jennings-opinions/index.html
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Stupid article by GOP lapdog fitting for the False Equivalency Network (CNN). The only point that vaguely makes sense is that people don't really care about the citizenship question on the Census. Somehow I kinda doubt this is going to decisive in the upcoming mid-terms... :rolleyes:

Chump and the GOP's polling isn't "on the rise". It fluctuates depending on who's taking the poll, and is always around 38-42%. This isn't surprising, as if we assume about 40% of the country are diehard Republicans, and he has about 90-95% support of these people, he's going no lower than 36%.

I have to laugh at loud at the author's pimping of the tax cut. If that had any, and I mean any, resonance in the so-called moderate districts that aren't anti-Trump, why did the GOP abandon it in the blink of an eye during the PA special election? Maybe because the working class voters of western PA couldn't find their tax cut with a microscope?

Finally, voters always talk up bipartisanship but rarely give their votes based on it. In terms of the generic congressional ballot, its useless. We already have a string of elections that have taken place to form a pattern. If Chump's approval rating starting hitting close to 50%, I'll get worried because that means he's starting to win over half of the middle 20% of the voting public. If he stays where he is, nothing is going to save the knuckledraggers in the House.
 
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Rover said:
Stupid article by GOP lapdog fitting for the False Equivalency Network (CNN). The only point that vaguely makes sense is that people don't really care about the citizenship question on the Census. Somehow I kinda doubt this is going to decisive in the upcoming mid-terms... :rolleyes:

Chump and the GOP's polling isn't "on the rise". It fluctuates depending on who's taking the poll, and is always around 38-42%. This isn't surprising, as if we assume about 40% of the country are diehard Republicans, and he has about 90-95% support of these people, he's going no lower than 36%.

I have to laugh at loud at the author's pimping of the tax cut. If that had any, and I mean any, resonance in the so-called moderate districts that aren't anti-Trump, why did the GOP abandon it in the blink of an eye during the PA special election? Maybe because the working class voters of western PA couldn't find their tax cut with a microscope?

Finally, voters always talk up bipartisanship but rarely give their votes based on it. In terms of the generic congressional ballot, its useless. We already have a string of elections that have taken place to form a pattern. If Chump's approval rating starting hitting close to 50%, I'll get worried because that means he's starting to win over half of the middle 20% of the voting public. If he stays where he is, nothing is going to save the knuckledraggers in the House.
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I did see that Chump's approval rating was in the low 40's. I was wondering where the other 10% came from and whether they were even more stupid than the 33% we have to completely ignore if we want to reclaim a society worth living in?
 
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Tax fairness would be easy to sell if we ever had the guts to defy the Briber Class. "I will cut taxes on people making less than $100k by 10%, and triple the tax rate on people making over $500k and remove all of their exemptions and deductions."

Mic drop.
 
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Kepler said:
Tax fairness would be easy to sell if we ever had the guts to defy the Briber Class. "I will cut taxes on people making less than $100k by 10%, and triple the tax rate on people making over $500k and remove all of their exemptions and deductions."

Mic drop.
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Yes. Yes. Yes.
 
Kepler said:
Tax fairness would be easy to sell if we ever had the guts to defy the Briber Class. "I will cut taxes on people making less than $100k by 10%, and triple the tax rate on people making over $500k and remove all of their exemptions and deductions."

Mic drop.
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You’re implying the economy does better when the middle and Lowe classes can afford to buy stuff? Crazy talk.
 
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Kepler said:
Tax fairness would be easy to sell if we ever had the guts to defy the Briber Class. "I will cut taxes on people making less than $100k by 10%, and triple the tax rate on people making over $500k and remove all of their exemptions and deductions."

Mic drop.
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Oddly enough I think that fight has finally been won from a messaging standpoint. I can't ever remember an unpopular tax cut until this last one came along. Furthermore few people actually think they're getting a meaningful increase in take home pay. As late as 20 years ago you'd find a lot of people making 15K a year arguing that we need to cut taxes on the rich because that will benefit everyone. I'm not even sure half of Republicans really believe that anymore, as evidenced by the PA special election results.

I'd also point out the last two Dem Presidents raised taxes on the rich and it didn't seem to hurt their re-election campaigns.
 
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Rover said:
Oddly enough I think that fight has finally been won from a messaging standpoint. I can't ever remember an unpopular tax cut until this last one came along. Furthermore few people actually think they're getting a meaningful increase in take home pay. As late as 20 years ago you'd find a lot of people making 15K a year arguing that we need to cut taxes on the rich because that will benefit everyone. I'm not even sure half of Republicans really believe that anymore, as evidenced by the PA special election results.

I'd also point out the last two Dem Presidents raised taxes on the rich and it didn't seem to hurt their re-election campaigns.
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I hope this is the sentiment that plays out in November.

As you also posted, we do have some data points to go on with Democrats winning some special elections at both the federal and state levels, and even before the wins, a huge narrowing of the margin of defeat from what one might have expected before the onset of trump.

I do think it is important to note though, that Democrats winning the presidential vote is a very different beast (or at least it has been for more than 20 years now) than democrats winning votes for the U.S. House, and Senate, and winning state and local elections. 6 of the last 7 presidential elections were or should have been won by the candidate from the Democratic Party. We have to figure out a way to get the people who vote for a Democrat in the presidential elections to come out in the mid-term and off year elections. If that happened, there would be already be a Democratic House and Senate, and how many more governors mansions and state houses/senates would be in Democratic hands?

As I have done in the last two general presidential elections, I plan on voting a straight Democratic ticket once again this year, something up until a few years ago I would have considered ill-informed and unwise. But the republican party in its current form must be punished and eradicated, and I will do as much possible to remove it from the landscape of our politics.
 
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Rover said:
Oddly enough I think that fight has finally been won from a messaging standpoint. I can't ever remember an unpopular tax cut until this last one came along. Furthermore few people actually think they're getting a meaningful increase in take home pay. As late as 20 years ago you'd find a lot of people making 15K a year arguing that we need to cut taxes on the rich because that will benefit everyone. I'm not even sure half of Republicans really believe that anymore, as evidenced by the PA special election results.

I'd also point out the last two Dem Presidents raised taxes on the rich and it didn't seem to hurt their re-election campaigns.
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As usual it depends on who votes. We apparently have people who will answer poll questions and surveys that won't bother voting. Yeah, I don't get it either.
 
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