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POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/donald-trump-challenges-governing-presidency-234879
"Trump Vexed by Challenges, Scale of Government"

The administration’s rocky opening days have been a setback for a president who, as a billionaire businessman, sold himself to voters as being uniquely qualified to fix what ailed the nation. Yet it has become apparent, say those close to the president, most of whom requested anonymity to describe the inner workings of the White House, that the transition from overseeing a family business to running the country has been tough on him.

Trump often asks simple questions about policies, proposals and personnel. And, when discussions get bogged down in details, the president has been known to quickly change the subject — to "seem in control at all times," one senior government official said — or direct questions about details to his chief strategist Steve Bannon, his son-in-law Jared Kushner or House Speaker Paul Ryan. Trump has privately expressed disbelief over the ability of judges, bureaucrats or lawmakers to delay — or even stop — him from filling positions and implementing policies.
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The interviews paint a picture of a powder-keg of a workplace where job duties are unclear, morale among some is low, factionalism is rampant and exhaustion is running high. Two visitors to the White House last week said they were struck by how tired the staff looks.

In Washington circles, talk has turned to whether a staff shake-up is in the works.

One person close to Trump said: "I think he'd like to do it now, but he knows it's too soon."

Those closest to the president are unnerved by that prospect, which they say would be a tacit acknowledgment that their team is struggling.
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And I was all aboard the "Sh*t on Sean Spicer" train until reading this paragraph:
Perhaps the job Trump has micromanaged the most is that of press secretary Sean Spicer, whose performance as the public face of the White House hasn’t always pleased the image-conscious president. Trump, a voracious consumer of cable news, has been known to critique aides and surrogates for their appearances. After Spicer’s press briefings, the president has told his spokesman that he’s unhappy about specific answers or his demeanor.

The president, who is obsessive about looks and appearance, even was unhappy with a Saturday Night Live parody of a Spicer briefing, partly because the combative press secretary was depicted by a female comedian, Melissa McCarthy. After it aired, Spicer had proposed cracking a joke about the send-up during his next briefing, or even firing a squirt gun, as McCarthy had done in the sketch. Trump vetoed the idea, according to one person briefed on the matter.

Spicer, a 45-year-old party operative who rose through the ranks of the Republican National Committee, has told several people that he finds the non-stop demands of the position difficult.

For now, the president is standing by his press secretary. After CNN reported Tuesday that Trump regretted hiring Spicer and was disappointed in him, the president spoke with his press secretary and told him that he was in fine shape. Trump, who has been reluctant to admit any missteps, also has acknowledged to Spicer that it was a mistake to send him to the White House briefing room on the administration’s first full day to berate reporters for coverage of his inauguration crowd size.
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So he *does* have a sense of humor.

If the opening days of Trump’s presidency have been rocky and unconventional, many of his admirers aren’t bothered by it.

“I'm not disappointed in the President's work so far - he operates like many great CEO's I know - and I hope he continues to manage the country in a manner worlds apart from the way we've seen in the past,” said Michael Caputo, who was a Trump campaign aide. “It's about time.”
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Running the US as a CEO of many great companies? Self congratulating circle jerks in upper management (Bannon/Preibus), making middle/lower management perform two jobs for the price of one (Spicer), and completely sh*tting upon the staff that actually makes the company money (taxpayers).
 
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aparch said:
Running the US as a CEO of many great companies? Self congratulating circle jerks in upper management (Bannon/Preibus), making middle/lower management perform two jobs for the price of one (Spicer), and completely sh*tting upon the staff that actually makes the company money (taxpayers).
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Good old Republicans. Run things as a business? Epic Fail.
 
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What is the practical consequence if they shutter the Dept of Ed? It might not be the worst thing in the world to free education from the tender mercies of the boobocracy, especially in a country where a non-trivial number of people think the Earth is 6000 years old.

Kill the federal level and you just have another discriminator for the free states over the slave states to attract the smart, tolerant, etc. And it's another way to cut down on redistribution of wealth from the productive blue states to the deadbeat red states.
 
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Kepler said:
What is the practical consequence if they shutter the Dept of Ed? it might not be the worst thing in the world to free education from the tender mercies of the boobocracy, especially in a country where a non-trivial number of people think the Earth is 6000 years old.

Kill the federal level and you just have another discriminator for the free slaves over the slave states to attract the smart, tolerant, etc. And it's another way to cut down on redistribution of wealth from the productive blue states to the deadbeat red states.
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Besides producing even more morons who will always vote Republican in the Red States? Nothing.
 
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Kepler said:
What is the practical consequence if they shutter the Dept of Ed? it might not be the worst thing in the world to free education from the tender mercies of the boobocracy, especially in a country where a non-trivial number of people think the Earth is 6000 years old.

Kill the federal level and you just have another discriminator for the free slaves over the slave states to attract the smart, tolerant, etc. And it's another way to cut down on redistribution of wealth from the productive blue states to the deadbeat red states.
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And yet, things were just fine before Jimmy Carter came along. Although I'm sure you'll next lecture us on how New Math was a good thing...
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
things were just fine before Jimmy Carter came along
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They were?

I'm just saying, let's back it out. The attempt to spread knowledge from people who value it to people who fear and despise it was a noble effort, but it failed. Never try to teach a pig to sing. Let each state care for its own students. The blue states will produce STEM leaders and artists and the red states, well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Besides producing even more morons who will always vote Republican in the Red States? Nothing.
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Exactly, and who cares whether they win the red states by 20 points or 40 points?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Let's put it this way. There may very well have been Republicans in there and they may have been yelling. Come election time if Chaffetz is the one with the R after the name they're pulling that lever.
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there may have been a few republicans there, but a few liberal groups organized their members to turn out and pack the town hall
 
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alfablue said:
I'm not so sure about that- listening to the angry crowd in Utah at a town hall meeting for Rep Chaffetz didn't exactly sound happy. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...trump-brings-boos-and-jeers-at-utah-town-hall

It seems as if a *few* people who were concerned about Secretary Clinton's possible corruption are concerned with don's rather obvious corruption- some which is legal (as explained), some which go against a specific contract (his property in DC) and some which go directly against the Constitution. Funny how people were so concerned about the Clinton Foundation's corruption- which was more about pay to play in a foundation that's goal is it help people, but were not concerned about don's probable direct making money off of being the President. How the heck is the latter better than the former???

It's evil that certain contractors were able to be part of the Haitian relief, but ok that properties owned by don (in a revocable trust- not a blind one) make money on the US directly against the contract and get payments from other governments. Wow.
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As was said, Trump may have won that area but likely McMullin was popular as well. If you think Trumpers are going to vote against him you havent read up much on history.
 
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Kepler said:
But they can all code. Which matters more now?
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Can they code, or can they run apps. I can code, and I have pretty good (as in surprised them) hand strength according to the trainers at the gym (farm kid).

Otherwise, I may agree with you save for ...

“The fact that you have a weak grip is important because you probably are weak elsewhere,” says Richard Bohannon, a physical therapist and a professor of health studies at Campbell University in Buies Creek, N.C. “It’s a window into your world. … It provides a peek behind the curtain at your health status.”
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Kepler said:
Well, I wasn't aware you were a PhD in poli sci. :p

I'd like to see the cross-tabs on those 53% by age and race. 4 years is 4 more years of the olds dying, and 4 more years of "decent church-going women with their mean, pinched, bitter, evil faces" being dumped in the ground and off the voter rolls. Phyllis Schlafly is literally dead, and she's taking an entire generation of nasty old biddies and their assumptions about women with her. You don't need a pen1s to be a sexist (though it does help).
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You do understand that plenty of young women had to have voted for Trump as well? Not every one is some 80 year old who thinks women are lesser than men. Pro Life women come in all ages and they arent voting Dem no matter what.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
New Math was a good thing...
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If I understand what New Math was supposed to be about, it was that set theory underlies all of math rather than numbers. Math is the study of patterns, not just suped up arithmetic. As it stands, kids who go into advanced math must eventually unlearn all the assumptions they were taught young, and the idea was why not teach math from the beginning as what it actually is?

It didn't work because set theory is inherently about abstraction and the only kids who could handle that were the ones smart enough to go on to advanced math, so in effect teachers were starting from the assumption that every kid was smart, with the result that the dumb and even average kids got lost and didn't pick up basic skills. (This may actually explain why current voters appear to be innumerate.)

Give them an exam at 6 and track them -- top to post-graduate professions, middle to business, bottom to consumers. Allow for readjustments as you go along with kids either moving up or down a tier based on initiative and talent. Recognize that what works for the smart is a wall for the dumb and what works for the dumb is asphyxiation for the smart.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Now this I agree with. Hillary's big mistake wasn't her flaws. It was chasing Republican votes. A complete waste of time that lost her the election.
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Agreed and this was one issue where I thought she maybe had the right idea in order to build up a wave, but the craven hypocrisy of the cult of Republican voters was underestimated by both myself and her campaign. I've never been in Kepler's boat who had thought that a majority of the GOP were reasonable people hijacked by a few nuts. However, I did think that maybe 10% of the party was still sane, and of that half would maybe vote Hillary on national security issues and the rest would vote 3rd party or not vote out of revulsion of Trump. Well, they ALL voted for Trump. That was the 2nd biggest issue of the election, behind lazy Dems staying home up and down the ballot for whatever idiotic reasons they had.

GOP base turned out, Dems did not, again up and down the ballot. Lesson: Get off your lazy arse and vote, because those who shows up on election day gets to make the rules.
 
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Millennial here. I went to shake hands with my uncle over Christmas, and he complained I was crushing his hand.

Perhaps I am just an outlier. :p
 
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