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POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

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I had to read it twice. They meant Kennedy and Clinton for the NY Senate seat if Gillibrand leaves to run for president.

That makes more sense though I dont see Gillibrand having a serious shot even if I like her.
 
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Fake news says incompetent Dem leadership will run Chelsea Clinton in 2020, SAD!
 
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Kepler, a couple of other people, and I discussed this a number of months ago. I think everyone agreed that the Dems needed to put more younger faces in front of the podium. I'm not sure this was what we were intending.

Younger pols, preferably from the middle part of the country. Sorry, but nobody living in rural areas wants to listen to Liz Warren speak to them with the demeanor of a kindergarten teacher admonishing a student. It's a tough reality to accept, but that is a fact. She's good in the Senate, let her fight for re-election and leave her there to herd the cats during the next Democratic wave.
 
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Ok now I feel like an idiot. Sorry guys :|

Don't feel bad. Easy mistake. Before I posted my reply I had written it assuming she was up for president. I had to rewrite it after I reread the article a couple of times.

ETA: the article was poorly written in this regard.
 
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Younger pols, preferably from the middle part of the country. Sorry, but nobody living in rural areas wants to listen to Liz Warren speak to them with the demeanor of a kindergarten teacher admonishing a student. It's a tough reality to accept, but that is a fact. She's good in the Senate, let her fight for re-election and leave her there to herd the cats during the next Democratic wave.

It's not a tough reality to accept unless you are beholden to her. I think she would make a terrible candidate and I've said as much for a number of years. Even in 2016 I said she would be a bad choice for VP.

I think she's just fine to good in the senate.
 
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www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-criticize-faa-234849



JFC. If there is one agency I want to stay nationally run, it's the FAA. Could you imagine air traffic not being controlled by the feds, where states or airlines make up their own rules about how air traffic is controlled?



Yes, because the guy running the fry station at McDonald's should run the company. :rolleyes:



MNS, any thoughts on this?
Sorry for the delay, actually had to work at work tonight thanks to winter. Cancelled half the operation.

You don't have to imagine it. Anoka/Blaine is a privatized tower. There are several private ATC companies in the US that operate on some smaller airfields that only see a small amount of GA traffic. The FAA has contracted out a few more smaller ones (I think) and all Flight Service Stations to Lockheed Martin. When I started flying (2000) there was at least one FAA Flight Service Station in all 50 states. Now there are three centralized hubs they all work out of. This is as far as it's going to go for the foreseeable future, IMO. With as much as they've already invested in NextGen, ATC will stay with the FAA. NextGen was starting to be implemented when I was at the FAA Academy in OKC and we got a briefing on it. This was in 2012 and we were told the goal was to have it done in 10 years. The system was in desperate need for an overhaul. NextGen is pretty state of the art and is designed to reduce controller workload.

Even if ATC was privatized, the FAA would likely still exist for regulatory and certification purposes. Honestly, the FAA can be a headache, but they are fine as is. If you want to improve air transportation...start with the TSA.

Operating from a position of ignorance here, how would the daily operation of flights change should we take the FAA out of the mix and the various airports or states take over control of their flight control systems? As a flight crosses the country, one FAA operator has to hand off the tracking of a plane to the next operator in the flight path. Would that change? We have thousands of similar handoffs currently between US flight controllers and foreign flight controllers happening daily without incident.

The only real change to the daily operation of flights would be the aircraft operator would receive a bill from company in charge (which I am sure will be passed on to the passengers). NavCanada is a private ATC company that handles all air traffic in Canada except a small part of southern Ontario around DTW which is controlled by Cleveland Center. Handoff procedures and coordination between US facilities and Canadian facilities are all detailed with letters of agreement, just like they are between two US facilities.

Our national airspace system and ATC are the platinum standard. Oakland Center has the single largest sector in the world (ZOA Oceanic...the Pacific Ocean). ATL handles more operations a day than most of Europe, IIRC. And the best part of it is, it's free to use. It should stay that way. If he really wants to do something to help the airlines....1) DON'T FLY AF1 INTO OUR HUBS* (wishful thinking) and 2) #DenyNAI

*"[Obama]'s going to make a Republican out of me yet!" - my Bernie supporting coworker during a particularly bad VIP movement event in ORD last year :D
 
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Younger pols, preferably from the middle part of the country. Sorry, but nobody living in rural areas wants to listen to Liz Warren speak to them with the demeanor of a kindergarten teacher admonishing a student. It's a tough reality to accept, but that is a fact. She's good in the Senate, let her fight for re-election and leave her there to herd the cats during the next Democratic wave.

Worked for don.

And his approach is exactly what they say of the Green Left- he went at them with basic fear. On a very childish level.

So that worked like a charm for donny, but wont for Senator Warren?
 
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Worked for don.

And his approach is exactly what they say of the Green Left- he went at them with basic fear. On a very childish level.

So that worked like a charm for donny, but wont for Senator Warren?

No. Senator Warren is too well spoken. Too much "a politician." And has a vagina.
 
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I had to read it twice. They meant Kennedy and Clinton for the NY Senate seat if Gillibrand leaves to run for president.

That's still terrible, but it's only terrible for NY so who cares? :)
 
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Younger pols, preferably from the middle part of the country. Sorry, but nobody living in rural areas wants to listen to Liz Warren speak to them with the demeanor of a kindergarten teacher admonishing a student. It's a tough reality to accept, but that is a fact. She's good in the Senate, let her fight for re-election and leave her there to herd the cats during the next Democratic wave.

I agree with this. Also, Warren like Bernie is great as the conscience of the party, and the Presidency is not a party cheerleader position, it's a national office representing everyone.

Warren was born to be a strong cabinet leader, but since we're fortunate enough to have in the Senate, keep her there. She's a national treasure, don't debase her.
 
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No. Senator Warren is too well spoken. Too much "a politician." And has a vagina.

Scooby, is that you? :eek: ;)

Hillary's vag (shiver) didn't lose, Hillary lost. Another (any other) female candidate will do fine. Assuming Trump continues to be himself, 'scuse me, Himself, I suspect the GOP will run several women in 2020.
 
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The best part of the decision, I mean other than possibly saving democracy, is that it will stick in Trump's craw. He's a child who will continue to whine about this like his fights with old pageant queens or empirical evidence of his digital dysmorphia. He'll never let it go. Because he's completely ignorant of, well, everything, he'll continue to act like a toddler about this.

The way to make a fool of Trump is let him tweet.
 
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Yes except proving he is a fool isnt enough and you know it. The people who voted for him arent changing their mind. The way to beat him is to actually turn out and vote. Stuff like this ticks off liberals now but they will be on to their next outrage in 4 years.

The Left needs to spend as much time fixing itself as it does worrying about every tweet the Urine King sends out...
 
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This talk of her making a run for one of the more important elected offices seems premature given the complete lack of experience.

This is the lasting effect of Obama. He was an attractive, articulate, young candidate who really had no track record. He voted "present" how many times in the IL Legislature? He made a speech at the DNC that introduced him to the country and then served two years in the US Senate. The DNC now believes this is how to retake the Oval Office.

Who wins in this paradigm? Chelsea Clinton. Who loses? I'll let someone else answer, but I do believe the answer has already appeared here.
 
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Yes except proving he is a fool isnt enough and you know it. The people who voted for him arent changing their mind. The way to beat him is to actually turn out and vote.

These are not mutually exclusive. His supporters are morons, we get that. We have to outvote them, we get that. But the biggest danger is Trump somehow reverts to the Republican norm -- act normal while injecting the poison behind the scenes. That's how Saint Ronny destroyed the middle class and how Dubya tied us into the Forever War and tried to destroy social security. If Trump learned to control his affect the GOP would be able to do far more lasting damage to the country. That he is unable to is our luck, and we should continue to exploit it by needling him relentlessly.

Make the toddler mad. Every single day. That's not feel good, it's strategy.

As to Ryan et al's predations, all we can really do now is document all the people they harm and get ready for the midterms. We're stuck as far as effective means of slowing them down, because again, there is no appealing to the conscience of their supporters anymore. That's a runaway crazy train; the best we can do for now is get the kids off the tracks.
 
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If he really wants to do something to help the airlines....1) DON'T FLY AF1 INTO OUR HUBS* (wishful thinking) ...

You saying Air Force 1 should fly into Spirit and not Lambert in STL? :D

Someone told me once that for every 15 minutes that one of six* major US airports gets behind the impacts are felt out 400 miles, 30 minutes is 800 miles, or basically if a major gets an hour behind due to weather it's felt across the half the country. Fact or crap?


*I think they were ATL, O'Hare, Denver, MSP, DFW and SFO. Or was one LAX ...
 
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