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POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides

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Slap Shot said:
But still not violent.



I'm not so sure the suburbs make it allowing to label the metro 7-county area deep-blue. There's roughly 3.5-3.8 million in the metro (depending upon the source) while Mpls/St. Paul combined have what within their actual borders - 700k?
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Most of the suburbs are still blue and in Minneapolis reside within Hennepin County. You have to go pretty far North to enter into Anoka. Most of the bigger suburns in the area fall under Hennepin and Hennepin is decidedly Blue. Hennepin also holds a lot of power...
 
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unofan said:
Nebraska outside of Omaha and the Badlands is just as bad, especially along the i80 corridor. But considering Omaha by itself has more people than all of Wyoming...

And I live in Iowa now, anyway. Have for the last 8 years.
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Iowa is ten times worse! You arent helping your case ;)
 
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burd said:
The Democrats would never support him as a candidate. Only Republicans would choose a bigoted, childish, lazy, narcissistic fool who cares about noone but himself.
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If he ran as a D, he wouldn't have been labeled as any of those. They were all talking points by the Hillary cheerleaders in the MSM. You feel for the bait: Hook, line, and sinker.

Also, how many times did Obama use the singular first person pronouns in his speeches again? And how many times has Trump?
 
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BassAle said:
As someone that lives in a National Park town, I know I speak for many when I say "over my dead body". And for the idiots that said "both choices are bad", this is another example where Clinton would have been infinitely better than Trump -- you can be **** sure she would veto the bull**** like this that is going to come out of Congress.

Our national parks are our nation's greatest treasure. Protecting them is the greatest give we can give future Americans. We won't go down without a fight.

I know lots of park rangers. They've been hindered by inadequate budgets for decades. What maintenance money they do get, it goes into visitor-facing projects to keep the best visitor experience they can, while they make due with substandard and outdated administrate and maintenance buildings and poor seasonal housing. They don't fill science-based roles when they become available because they can't lose any more law enforcement, entrance gate, and visitor center staffing. Here in Acadia, they are worried they won't be allowed to fill the dozens of seasonal positions they need to run the park during peak season, when they can get 3 million visitors. Right now they have a skeleton staff of year round employees, and now is when the usually start the process of finding the seasonal employees but they don't know what is going to happen. We already have a private group that is funding trail maintenance and hiring 'ridge runners' to educate visitors about leave no trace or assist hikers that need help, and they are trying to become the first 'friends group' to fully endow a National Park trail system, because they know Congress is never going to fund the park enough to keep up with maintenance. I spend hundreds of hours a year volunteering in the park (some carriage road cleanup, but most of my volunteer time is on the Search and Rescue team). To me, harming our National Parks and other Federal Lands is probably the most troubling thing that will come out of the Trump administration because in many cases it will be impossible to undo.
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Thanks for sharing this. It makes me incredibly sad though. Kepler is probably right, I am done. I just don't have any faith in this country anymore.
 
BassAle said:
As someone that lives in a National Park town, I know I speak for many when I say "over my dead body". And for the idiots that said "both choices are bad", this is another example where Clinton would have been infinitely better than Trump -- you can be **** sure she would veto the bull**** like this that is going to come out of Congress.

Our national parks are our nation's greatest treasure. Protecting them is the greatest give we can give future Americans. We won't go down without a fight.

I know lots of park rangers. They've been hindered by inadequate budgets for decades. What maintenance money they do get, it goes into visitor-facing projects to keep the best visitor experience they can, while they make due with substandard and outdated administrate and maintenance buildings and poor seasonal housing. They don't fill science-based roles when they become available because they can't lose any more law enforcement, entrance gate, and visitor center staffing. Here in Acadia, they are worried they won't be allowed to fill the dozens of seasonal positions they need to run the park during peak season, when they can get 3 million visitors. Right now they have a skeleton staff of year round employees, and now is when the usually start the process of finding the seasonal employees but they don't know what is going to happen. We already have a private group that is funding trail maintenance and hiring 'ridge runners' to educate visitors about leave no trace or assist hikers that need help, and they are trying to become the first 'friends group' to fully endow a National Park trail system, because they know Congress is never going to fund the park enough to keep up with maintenance. I spend hundreds of hours a year volunteering in the park (some carriage road cleanup, but most of my volunteer time is on the Search and Rescue team). To me, harming our National Parks and other Federal Lands is probably the most troubling thing that will come out of the Trump administration because in many cases it will be impossible to undo.
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100% agree with this. Acadia is one of the most beautiful places in the world and everything possible should be done to protect it. It probably would be better run if it was turned over to 'Friends of Acadia.'

I want people to have jobs but we only get one shot with our natural resources.
 
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Drew S. said:
100% agree with this. Acadia is one of the most beautiful places in the world and everything possible should be done to protect it. It probably would be better run if it was turned over to 'Friends of Acadia.'

I want people to have jobs but we only get one shot with our natural resources.
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I don't think Acadia is at risk to be impacted by oil/gas/mineral extraction it's small, and I don't think there is anything to extract here, but I do think that risk is very real for western parks. Our problem in Acadia is basically a lack of funding.
 
BassAle said:
I don't think Acadia is at risk to be impacted by oil/gas/mineral extraction it's small, and I don't think there is anything to extract here, but I do think that risk is very real for western parks. Our problem in Acadia is basically a lack of funding.
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Why exactly is funding an issue? With all the money on the island it's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Are some of the more wealthy people against the park?
 
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BassAle said:
I don't think Acadia is at risk to be impacted by oil/gas/mineral extraction it's small, and I don't think there is anything to extract here, but I do think that risk is very real for western parks. Our problem in Acadia is basically a lack of funding.
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Same here. National Forest service has been short two snow rangers since last season when one retired, I think, and the other moved when his wife got a new position. They've been making do with fill-ins from other areas, and just hired one of those full-time, but now with the hiring freeze, the other position won't be filled.So the people they have are working longer hours, and probably cutting corners elsewhere. And their job is important, among other things, they check the possible levels of avalanche danger. People could potentially be killed due to this short-staffing.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Fixed that number problem in that post for you.

And to be fair and open minded, I'd keep about the first 10 miles east of I-29. ;)
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The corridor between I-25 and I-29 could disappear into a sinkhole and we'd never know. People from flyover states refer to that as flyover country.
 
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Drew S. said:
Why exactly is funding an issue? With all the money on the island it's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Are some of the more wealthy people against the park?
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Charity doesn't fund things in this country to the levels necessary,. no matter how much you and the rest of the conservative clowns fantasize that it does.
 
BassAle said:
As someone that lives in a National Park town, I know I speak for many when I say "over my dead body". And for the idiots that said "both choices are bad", this is another example where Clinton would have been infinitely better than Trump -- you can be **** sure she would veto the bull**** like this that is going to come out of Congress.

Our national parks are our nation's greatest treasure. Protecting them is the greatest give we can give future Americans. We won't go down without a fight.

I know lots of park rangers. They've been hindered by inadequate budgets for decades. What maintenance money they do get, it goes into visitor-facing projects to keep the best visitor experience they can, while they make due with substandard and outdated administrate and maintenance buildings and poor seasonal housing. They don't fill science-based roles when they become available because they can't lose any more law enforcement, entrance gate, and visitor center staffing. Here in Acadia, they are worried they won't be allowed to fill the dozens of seasonal positions they need to run the park during peak season, when they can get 3 million visitors. Right now they have a skeleton staff of year round employees, and now is when the usually start the process of finding the seasonal employees but they don't know what is going to happen. We already have a private group that is funding trail maintenance and hiring 'ridge runners' to educate visitors about leave no trace or assist hikers that need help, and they are trying to become the first 'friends group' to fully endow a National Park trail system, because they know Congress is never going to fund the park enough to keep up with maintenance. I spend hundreds of hours a year volunteering in the park (some carriage road cleanup, but most of my volunteer time is on the Search and Rescue team). To me, harming our National Parks and other Federal Lands is probably the most troubling thing that will come out of the Trump administration because in many cases it will be impossible to undo.
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Thank you for sharing and thank you for what you do! I was spoiled in that I grew up near a vast national forest and the surrounding land was untouched or very low populated. I saw the Aurora borealis frequently. I got to enjoy the outdoors. Finding a state park or national park for summer vacation trips was always something I've enjoyed. In that same region of outdoor playground, it was where underground iron mining ruled for over 70 years. A region where beautiful lakes fill once cavernous and deadly mine pits. Rolling hills that could collapse because they're hollowed out. Hills of iron ore spoils with patches of grass attempting and failing to grow after decades of sitting.

Moving to Chicagoland for work, I've now seen how millions of people are unaware or just don't care about what those lands mean. Pave the Earth; Drill, Baby, Drill; 'There is plenty of other land if we just use this little bit for oil/minerals.' Keep taking chunks of park land and we'll soon be left with nothing. It's quite evident by the small forest preserves the counties have had to enact in Chicagoland thanks to Urban sprawl.

I 100% agree that this park land needs to be protected. No matter what. I really don't care if the largest gold vein, diamond, ore, whatever is under these lands. They stay protected. The whole reason vast swaths of the west was protected because no one had the foresight to protect the east coast during the birth of our nation. It was difficult to create such park land in the east because of the population and industrial boom.



I post those updates with a good dose of snark. I don't want to see the land raped then handed back saying "see it's still dirt!"
 
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Of course.

Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee on Wednesday morning suspended the rules and voted to approve President Donald Trump's nominees to lead the Treasury Department and the Department of Health and Human Services even though Democrats on the committee were not present.

Democrats on the committee refused to vote on Steve Mnuchin and Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) until both nominees answered additional questions.
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"Shut up," he explained.
 
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Come to Wisconsin Dells sometime if you want to see what our natural treasures would look like without National Park protection and the funding that goes along with it.
 
burd said:
Come to Wisconsin Dells sometime if you want to see what our natural treasures would look like without National Park protection and the funding that goes along with it.
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But all those faux wood concrete and steel: hotels, water parks, strip malls, and big box stores; and their acres of asphalt parking lots nestled into such pristine wild land means money is flowing into that region! Jobs! Duck boats driving up and down the beautiful sandy beaches, pushing sand and muck out of their way. Fishermen with their Cummins dualie Silverados taking their MasterCraft boats to the Wisconsin River to catch those beautiful 44" muskies. The tourism dollars are just rolling in!


Why do you hate America and want to prevent people from taking advantage of enjoying or working in such a beautiful area like Lake Delton?

If you want parkland so bad, you have Mirror Lake State park right next to it.





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Drew S. said:
Why exactly is funding an issue? With all the money on the island it's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Are some of the more wealthy people against the park?
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Sure, wealthy people donate to Friends of Acadia, which completely funded the restoration of the historic carriage roads and endows their maintenance. They are raising money to be able to completely fund trail maintenance. They fund the ridge runners. They don't pave roads, or fix bridges. The park isn't able to fill vacant positions like foresters, scientists, etc. Only 'visitor facing' jobs get filled. Administrative buildings are old, out of date, and in some cases in a poor state of repair. The parks 'training classroom' is an old ****ty doublewide trailer. The maintenance garage is an old Civilian Conservation Corps gymnasium. They don't have enough housing for seasonal staff. I mean tax payer funding.
 
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