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POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides

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Handyman said:
I dont like proportional voting at all. It ranks up there with eliminating the EC in my top bad ideas for the Republic. I f every state had the same population I could but otherwise it gives too much power to areas of higher density.
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By that argument, doesn't the EC currently give too much power to the areas of lower density? Shouldn't everybody's vote count the same?
 
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The electoral college doesn't do anything. The state legislatures form the mold of the electoral college.
 
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Wow. So amazon said it is willing to support Washington's lawsuit against trump.
 
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ericredaxe said:
By that argument, doesn't the EC currently give too much power to the areas of lower density? Shouldn't everybody's vote count the same?
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White people rural, black people urban. Duh.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
If it weren't for that dam meddling Lincoln, it would have been the opposite.
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Srsly. The Emancipation Proclamation ruined everything. If only we'd elected Breckinridge.

-- Fox News, 1865
 
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unofan said:
The house isn't really a problem, yet. The average house district is about 750,000 people per rep and Wyoming has 575,000. It's small but not grossly so.

But 38.8 million Californians have the same power as 575,000 Wyomingsians (Wyomingites?) in the upper chamber, and that disparity continues to expand. At some point it reaches the absurd, at least until cows get the right to vote.
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Well, what is your proposal?

I am willing to expand the House to 600 but leave the Senate alone. And I don't want a House of Lords, either. As the House is the representative of the people, it should receive prominence. The Senate is the representative of the States and all States are (should be?) equal.
 
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unofan said:
Will this stay tenable when Wyoming has 1/100th the population of California, or 1/500th?
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Solution there is to split up CA. Have a max pop for states Say 20M. Split CA and TX in half. (I know, that will be fun politics.)

Speaking of which we should separate registration, elections, census, and district drawing from politics completely and criminalize political tampering with them.
 
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unofan said:
There is none, since the Constitution pretty much explicitly guarantees the status quo. I suppose forcing people to move to Wyoming would work, but I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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There's nothing wrong with Wyoming except Wyomen.
 
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If I had my druthers, I'd like to see the 17th Amendment repealed. The Senate is supposed to represent the states, as in the state legislatures, and the House the people. It'll never happen, but hey...dream lists.
 
Kepler said:
There's nothing wrong with Wyoming except Wyomen.
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Having driven through it on I80 once or a dozen times, the only thing there worth a **** is Yellowstone. Cheyenne and Laramie are middling at best, Colorado has better skiing, and Montana and Idaho are better if you simply want the big sky landscapes.
 
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unofan said:
Having driven through it on I80 once or a dozen times, the only thing there worth a **** is Yellowstone. Cheyenne and Laramie are middling at best, Colorado has better skiing, and Montana and Idaho are better if you simply want the big sky landscapes.
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To be fair the only parts of WY I've seen are Yellowstone and the Tetons, and I'm not sure the latter is actually in WY.

But for my money the entire US west of I-25 is paradise because it's naturally beautiful and contains so few people from east of I-25.

Nuke the East.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
It's also a system that boxes us in to the two party system that's put us in this mess.
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We've (meaning the citizens of the US) allowed ourselves to be boxed into two-party thinking. We could break free. Most of the rest of the world is not stuck in a two-party paradigm.
 
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Kepler said:
But for my money the entire US west of I-29 is paradise because it's naturally beautiful and contains so few people from east of I-29.

Nuke the East.
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Fixed that number problem in that post for you.

And to be fair and open minded, I'd keep about the first 10 miles east of I-29. ;)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
We've (meaning the citizens of the US) allowed ourselves to be boxed into two-party thinking. We could break free. Most of the rest of the world is not stuck in a two-party paradigm.
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Too many parties and you could get this
 
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North Dakota is a treeless wasteland not fit for anything short of Australian-like punishment
 
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