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POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
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leswp1
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Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
NOT a FB fan. Could care less about it but was listening to NPR the other day when they talked about this. Apparently Brady and X (some guy I am supposed to know and is a bug boy) both came out to say there was no legit reason for Kap to be passed by. http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2017/09/22/kaepernick-patriotism-nfl
I come from a family of flag huggers. My Godmother cries every time she hears the anthem. Protests involving the flag or the anthem cause near medical events for all of them. I missed something. I don't see the anthem or the flag as the most important part of my country. Do I like protests? Nope, but I don't take them as a personal affront and it doesn't send me to the moon. The flag is a piece of cloth. Burning it isn't going to make my country any less in my eyes so it is kind of like a little kid who tries to taunt you. Ignore it for what it is- stupid. Or maybe be righteously enraged about bad things actually happening in the country that are causing it harm. Being pi55ed about this but having no idea about what is going on in the country or any desire to know seems like a lazy way to participate in loving your country to me. (Not articulating this particularly well)
If someone were to turn their back on the flag during the anthem that is insulting but again not the biggest, most horrible thing happening in life. There are more important things to be horrified about. People kneeling and stating why they are doing it in an articulate manner doesn't pi55 me off. That they care enough about the country to express an opinion should count for something, even if I don't think it is the most effective way to get things across.
The really confusing thing to me is the Don't take God out of the Pledge, Holy roller/fundy folks who go nuts over this. The flag is not about God or His word. Deifying it goes against the thing of don't have idols. You are supposed to leave Caesar's stuff to Caesar. How is rabid patriotism not against what they teach? Esp since they keep telling us we are an unGodly country.
If you do a little research you will find he didn't just take a knee. He donated$$ and also was out numerous places in his community. THat didn't fit the narrative they tried to create about him so you didn't see much about it.
I thought that too.
NOT a FB fan. Could care less about it but was listening to NPR the other day when they talked about this. Apparently Brady and X (some guy I am supposed to know and is a bug boy) both came out to say there was no legit reason for Kap to be passed by. http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2017/09/22/kaepernick-patriotism-nfl
I struggle with vilifying a guy who speaks articulately about his beliefs, puts his $$ where his mouth is and uses his perceived platform to forward an agenda he feels helps those at a disadvantage. (Hint- tRump isn't him). I may not agree with everything Kap says or does but I respect his sticking up for his convictions and trying to do something about what he thinks is wrong.
I come from a family of flag huggers. My Godmother cries every time she hears the anthem. Protests involving the flag or the anthem cause near medical events for all of them. I missed something. I don't see the anthem or the flag as the most important part of my country. Do I like protests? Nope, but I don't take them as a personal affront and it doesn't send me to the moon. The flag is a piece of cloth. Burning it isn't going to make my country any less in my eyes so it is kind of like a little kid who tries to taunt you. Ignore it for what it is- stupid. Or maybe be righteously enraged about bad things actually happening in the country that are causing it harm. Being pi55ed about this but having no idea about what is going on in the country or any desire to know seems like a lazy way to participate in loving your country to me. (Not articulating this particularly well)
If someone were to turn their back on the flag during the anthem that is insulting but again not the biggest, most horrible thing happening in life. There are more important things to be horrified about. People kneeling and stating why they are doing it in an articulate manner doesn't pi55 me off. That they care enough about the country to express an opinion should count for something, even if I don't think it is the most effective way to get things across.
The really confusing thing to me is the Don't take God out of the Pledge, Holy roller/fundy folks who go nuts over this. The flag is not about God or His word. Deifying it goes against the thing of don't have idols. You are supposed to leave Caesar's stuff to Caesar. How is rabid patriotism not against what they teach? Esp since they keep telling us we are an unGodly country.
More likely he would make sure to deport those who were better than the cherub so he could be the biggliest person on the team
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
You're not supposed to do research, you're just supposed to be OUTRAGED!
You're not supposed to do research, you're just supposed to be OUTRAGED!
Since you quoted me, let me say that I agree 100% with all this. I don't even care if the anthem is played at games, and it irks me when people get all self righteous dissing someone for not placing hand over heart (which I've witnessed). It's all nonsense. And I admire Kap for sticking up for noble goals.
I know I sounded disrespectful though. What I take issue with is people thinking his activism in any way qualifies him for a starting NFL job. If he was good enough to beat out a starter, he would. It's a tiny minority of owners who care more about standing for the stupid anthem than about winning the game. Brady is full of ****, as are the "experts" on NPR. It's nonsense. Just because you want something doesn't mean someone has to hand it to you.
Care to guess how many former pros still think they should be playing? Thousands. The only reason Kap not starting is such a horrific national stain on our honor is because he has the political activist reputation. That's it. Otherwise we wouldn't even remember his name. These careers average something like 4 years.
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Meh, not outraged. I know that goes against the narrative.
Meh, not outraged. I know that goes against the narrative.
leswp1
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Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
The more I think about it the more I respect him. I might not agree with what his opinion (I don't) but I have to respect his willingness to modify what he was doing (he sat first and then changed to taking a knee), his willingness to be articulate and give interviews where he talked intelligently and thoughtfully about his opinion and he put his $$ and time into trying to do something that might change things- not just photo ops. He is a role model for trying to change things without trying to incite violence, call people names, or do any of the stuff our current culture eats up- at least what I saw. Makes me wonder if he did that because he said his Christian beliefs wouldn't let him idolize a flag/anthem how would they deal with that?
I am not knowledgeable enough about FB (and I don't care to be) to know whether he is any good or not. The general consensus was he was better than a number of the guys who have jobs as back ups. They did a good job in the discussion talking about all the points you make- was he good enough to overwhelm the work they would need to put in to quell the PR issue or not. They also talked about the guy who did this in the 90s in bouncy ball. THe whole thing was a lazy story as far as I can tell. He got a lot of press and it was easier to wah about him that cover something of substance (Left leaning) and of course outrage feels good anytime you can stir it up (right leaning).
The more I think about it the more I respect him. I might not agree with what his opinion (I don't) but I have to respect his willingness to modify what he was doing (he sat first and then changed to taking a knee), his willingness to be articulate and give interviews where he talked intelligently and thoughtfully about his opinion and he put his $$ and time into trying to do something that might change things- not just photo ops. He is a role model for trying to change things without trying to incite violence, call people names, or do any of the stuff our current culture eats up- at least what I saw. Makes me wonder if he did that because he said his Christian beliefs wouldn't let him idolize a flag/anthem how would they deal with that?
rufus
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Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
Where is it codified in law, or the Constitution, that one must stand silently during the national anthem, with hand placed over heart?
Aren't the wingnuts screaming constantly about how their freedoms keep being taken away, that they can't do what they want when they want? I'd say the freedom to do whatever the eff you want during the national anthem is a pretty big one. But this whole controversy is just more evidence that they don't want 'freedoms', they want a nice little authoritarian state telling everyone just what they can and cannot do.
Just as long as the state doesn't tell them they can't discriminate against the ni&&ers and the f@gs.
Where is it codified in law, or the Constitution, that one must stand silently during the national anthem, with hand placed over heart?
Aren't the wingnuts screaming constantly about how their freedoms keep being taken away, that they can't do what they want when they want? I'd say the freedom to do whatever the eff you want during the national anthem is a pretty big one. But this whole controversy is just more evidence that they don't want 'freedoms', they want a nice little authoritarian state telling everyone just what they can and cannot do.
Just as long as the state doesn't tell them they can't discriminate against the ni&&ers and the f@gs.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
It obviously doesn't, but I dare you to remain seated for the anthem at the next sporting event you attend, and see how the yokels seated around you react. It'll be even better if you wear a hat and keep it on.
It obviously doesn't, but I dare you to remain seated for the anthem at the next sporting event you attend, and see how the yokels seated around you react. It'll be even better if you wear a hat and keep it on.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
Eff the yokels. This is the kind of crap that bothers them, not people using their government position to enrich themselves. Yokels need to quit being yokels, then maybe they can get a job that's more than just saying hello to people entering Wal-mart.
It obviously doesn't, but I dare you to remain seated for the anthem at the next sporting event you attend, and see how the yokels seated around you react. It'll be even better if you wear a hat and keep it on.
Eff the yokels. This is the kind of crap that bothers them, not people using their government position to enrich themselves. Yokels need to quit being yokels, then maybe they can get a job that's more than just saying hello to people entering Wal-mart.
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
The question of whether K should be playing does not interest me, since it is too much a mix of real qualifications and politics. Unfortunately, QBs are seen as representatives of a culture more than players at other positions.
But the question of whether he should be able to (and encouraged to) exercise his free speech rights in the manner he is choosing is a lot more compelling, and the answer should be a resounding YES. The more political the speed, the more reason to protect and encourage it. People probably get tired of me posting parts of this Holmes dissent, but it merits repeating now and then:
But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas -- that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out.
That, at any rate, is the theory of our Constitution.
Unfortunately, our Prez and his followers wouldn't recognize our Constitution if it bit them in the azz.
The question of whether K should be playing does not interest me, since it is too much a mix of real qualifications and politics. Unfortunately, QBs are seen as representatives of a culture more than players at other positions.
But the question of whether he should be able to (and encouraged to) exercise his free speech rights in the manner he is choosing is a lot more compelling, and the answer should be a resounding YES. The more political the speed, the more reason to protect and encourage it. People probably get tired of me posting parts of this Holmes dissent, but it merits repeating now and then:
But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas -- that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out.
That, at any rate, is the theory of our Constitution.
Unfortunately, our Prez and his followers wouldn't recognize our Constitution if it bit them in the azz.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
Yes, but unlike Mother Russia, where you can actually get a year in prison for failing to honor the anthem and/or flag, there is no prescribed penalty for violating those laws in the US. So until unofan comes along and corrects me, I would say it's de facto unenforceable.
Yes, but unlike Mother Russia, where you can actually get a year in prison for failing to honor the anthem and/or flag, there is no prescribed penalty for violating those laws in the US. So until unofan comes along and corrects me, I would say it's de facto unenforceable.
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
Operative word: should. Ultimate authority: U.S. Constitution.
Operative word: should. Ultimate authority: U.S. Constitution.
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Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
trixR4kids
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The guy is easily better than like 10 currently starting QBs though. Indy, Houston, Jax, Cleveland, Miami, Baltimore, MN w/ injured Bradford, Jets, and that's just what instantly comes to mind. If these teams wanted to get better in the short term they almost certainly could.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Vikes sure could have used him.
(Pub. L. 105–225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263; Pub. L. 110–417, [div. A], title V, § 595, Oct. 14, 2008, 122 Stat. 4475.)
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!
The Code of Federal Regulations. As others have noted though, it says "should", not "shall".
I'm assuming the people that say players should get a second chance if they commit domestic violence, rape, child abuse, felony DUI, assault, theft, etc...would have no problem with Kaepernick on their team. Wouldn't want people to be under the impression you think kneeling is worse than violent crime...
I'd be good with the Vikes getting him if Bradford is going to be out for a while...better than Case ****ing Keenum
The Code of Federal Regulations. As others have noted though, it says "should", not "shall".
I'm assuming the people that say players should get a second chance if they commit domestic violence, rape, child abuse, felony DUI, assault, theft, etc...would have no problem with Kaepernick on their team. Wouldn't want people to be under the impression you think kneeling is worse than violent crime...
I'd be good with the Vikes getting him if Bradford is going to be out for a while...better than Case ****ing Keenum
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