Yup. One party rule is never a good thing. You need to turn over the compost pile every once in a while to make it work.
USCHO Fan Forum
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.
POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
- Thread starter French Rage
- Start date
- Status
Yup. One party rule is never a good thing. You need to turn over the compost pile every once in a while to make it work.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
I'm not taking a side yet. I do believe it's possible though.
Which side are you taking? Because there ain't no way in hell we're defaulting
I'm not taking a side yet. I do believe it's possible though.
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
@ddale8: Trump-era journalism genius: USA Today uses golf-handicap website to find out which lobbyists are at his clubs. http://amp.usatoday.com/story/632505001/
There's a lot of speculation in that story.
@ddale8: Trump-era journalism genius: USA Today uses golf-handicap website to find out which lobbyists are at his clubs. http://amp.usatoday.com/story/632505001/
There's a lot of speculation in that story.
Last edited:
WeAreNDHockey
\../ \../
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
While the party leaders clearly had a favorite, I don't think the primary election was rigged. It's more of a "home field advantage." Clinton was as much the party favorite at the beginning of the 2008 cycle as she was in 2016 and someone else came out on top in 2008.
But perhaps some polls showed Sanders could win a general election but not the democratic nomination because of voters like me. I don't vote in presidential primaries. Once in my life, the year 2000 when I voted for McCain in Michigan, I made an exception. I think the primaries should be for party members and I have never considered myself a "member" of the democratic party. I wanted Sanders to win the nomination but of course was going to vote for the candidate the democratic party nominated, and I did vote for Clinton in the general election. I have no idea if there are enough voters who look at it like I do for that to make a difference, but I do know throughout the primary season in 2016 it was not uncommon to see polls that showed Sanders doing better against trump than Clinton.
While the party leaders clearly had a favorite, I don't think the primary election was rigged. It's more of a "home field advantage." Clinton was as much the party favorite at the beginning of the 2008 cycle as she was in 2016 and someone else came out on top in 2008.
But perhaps some polls showed Sanders could win a general election but not the democratic nomination because of voters like me. I don't vote in presidential primaries. Once in my life, the year 2000 when I voted for McCain in Michigan, I made an exception. I think the primaries should be for party members and I have never considered myself a "member" of the democratic party. I wanted Sanders to win the nomination but of course was going to vote for the candidate the democratic party nominated, and I did vote for Clinton in the general election. I have no idea if there are enough voters who look at it like I do for that to make a difference, but I do know throughout the primary season in 2016 it was not uncommon to see polls that showed Sanders doing better against trump than Clinton.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
So, in addition to pushing Health Care on the do nothing Congress. The Debt Ceiling. DACA. Trump is now going to hand them the Iran Nuclear Deal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/...n-deal-nuclear.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Also, there is a theme here. If Obama did it, Trump wants to undo it. Everything Obama did will be gone by the time this President leaves office. It will be like he was never there.
Obama will lose his legacy if Trump or the Republicans continue their control. Especially if they keep the House in 2018.
So, in addition to pushing Health Care on the do nothing Congress. The Debt Ceiling. DACA. Trump is now going to hand them the Iran Nuclear Deal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/...n-deal-nuclear.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Also, there is a theme here. If Obama did it, Trump wants to undo it. Everything Obama did will be gone by the time this President leaves office. It will be like he was never there.
Obama will lose his legacy if Trump or the Republicans continue their control. Especially if they keep the House in 2018.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
Well, Obama Derangement Syndrome is still a serious epidemic on the right. We're just in the tertiary stage now.
Well, Obama Derangement Syndrome is still a serious epidemic on the right. We're just in the tertiary stage now.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
When push comes to shove, Scooby steps aside.
We won't default, but the threat will be a real concern to many people who make the big decisions. Trump is known for declaring bankruptcy and no repaying the debts by organizations he runs.
Which side are you taking? Because there ain't no way in hell we're defaulting
When push comes to shove, Scooby steps aside.
We won't default, but the threat will be a real concern to many people who make the big decisions. Trump is known for declaring bankruptcy and no repaying the debts by organizations he runs.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
Yeah, it's just that these Republicans have a way of backing down in the end. And since I know that I know that they'll likely pass something. Not before they cause the Stock Market and other markets to panic.
When push comes to shove, Scooby steps aside.
We won't default, but the threat will be a real concern to many people who make the big decisions. Trump is known for declaring bankruptcy and no repaying the debts by organizations he runs.
Yeah, it's just that these Republicans have a way of backing down in the end. And since I know that I know that they'll likely pass something. Not before they cause the Stock Market and other markets to panic.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
Doubling down? You made no points. You put up a bunch of rhetoric about how unfair things are and how the system wont let the better candidates you believe exist through to be President. I asked who the better candidates are and you ignored it. You talked about how the Superdelegates stopped Bernie but never really gave any evidence how. You talked about how the Primaries arent fair but really only talked about one. Where is the evidence all the other Primaries had the same issue NY did? (and amazingly Bernie got 42% of the vote so not all of the Bernie supporters were held out) If things were as rigged as you are definitely implying they are why didnt Bernie say something about it? If I was being screwed I know I would speak up. He wasnt a member of the party it isnt like he would have lost face over it.
Look I get it, you read a bunch of articles maybe saw some news stories and they all told you these basic talking points. We all read them too. Hell the Right was floating them all election as proof that when Donald loses it was rigged. Every article and story ignores the basic truths though...for all the advantages Clinton had she was beatable. Obama did it in 2008 and Bernie could have too but he didnt really do what must be done. He threw out some great ideas and had tons of cash but no real plan. Saying "Free college for everyone" is great but when asked you are going to pay for it you need to have an answer that works.
As for calling me Tucker Carlson and comparing me to Flaggy, that just proves you really arent worth talking to on this subject. It also proves my point, Liberals/Dems have zero loyalty. It doesnt matter that I disliked Clinton and was a Bernie Supporter going back to long before this election (I have wanted him as Prez since about 2007) because I wont ignore the facts and admit that Bernie should have been the candidate and would have trounced Trump I am apparently a fraud. Well you know what I will own that then. Dont worry about replying to this post...for the time being I see no further value in this argument. You can feel free to chalk it up as a victory if you like...
Hey Kep, I think I figured out the real reason the Dems have issues...youth. Think about it when you are young you are full of **** and vinegar and you think every issue is the biggest deal ever and if you dont agree then screw you I will do it my way! It is passion over logic...which btw is great but at the same time will divide a Party. Sure some like Susan Sarandon arent young but Bernie's supporters (and Naders in 2000) were often college aged. They have zero loyalty because to them it is the principle nothing else. They dont think pragmatically because they dont have to yet.
Doubling down? You made no points. You put up a bunch of rhetoric about how unfair things are and how the system wont let the better candidates you believe exist through to be President. I asked who the better candidates are and you ignored it. You talked about how the Superdelegates stopped Bernie but never really gave any evidence how. You talked about how the Primaries arent fair but really only talked about one. Where is the evidence all the other Primaries had the same issue NY did? (and amazingly Bernie got 42% of the vote so not all of the Bernie supporters were held out) If things were as rigged as you are definitely implying they are why didnt Bernie say something about it? If I was being screwed I know I would speak up. He wasnt a member of the party it isnt like he would have lost face over it.
Look I get it, you read a bunch of articles maybe saw some news stories and they all told you these basic talking points. We all read them too. Hell the Right was floating them all election as proof that when Donald loses it was rigged. Every article and story ignores the basic truths though...for all the advantages Clinton had she was beatable. Obama did it in 2008 and Bernie could have too but he didnt really do what must be done. He threw out some great ideas and had tons of cash but no real plan. Saying "Free college for everyone" is great but when asked you are going to pay for it you need to have an answer that works.
As for calling me Tucker Carlson and comparing me to Flaggy, that just proves you really arent worth talking to on this subject. It also proves my point, Liberals/Dems have zero loyalty. It doesnt matter that I disliked Clinton and was a Bernie Supporter going back to long before this election (I have wanted him as Prez since about 2007) because I wont ignore the facts and admit that Bernie should have been the candidate and would have trounced Trump I am apparently a fraud. Well you know what I will own that then. Dont worry about replying to this post...for the time being I see no further value in this argument. You can feel free to chalk it up as a victory if you like...
Hey Kep, I think I figured out the real reason the Dems have issues...youth. Think about it when you are young you are full of **** and vinegar and you think every issue is the biggest deal ever and if you dont agree then screw you I will do it my way! It is passion over logic...which btw is great but at the same time will divide a Party. Sure some like Susan Sarandon arent young but Bernie's supporters (and Naders in 2000) were often college aged. They have zero loyalty because to them it is the principle nothing else. They dont think pragmatically because they dont have to yet.
Last edited:
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
They will pass something...then whine about out of control spending while stopping none of it.
They will pass something...then whine about out of control spending while stopping none of it.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
And that's a shame and a failure of our education system.
And that's a shame and a failure of our education system.
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
If most of your accomplishments were done by Executive Order, rather than legislatively, there is nothing to stop the next Executive from undoing your orders with a stroke of a pen.
Separation of Powers is a good thing.
If most of your accomplishments were done by Executive Order, rather than legislatively, there is nothing to stop the next Executive from undoing your orders with a stroke of a pen.
Separation of Powers is a good thing.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
And ^^this is exactly why Turtle Boy was the most powerful man in America during the Obama administration. Not only did he destroy Obama's Presidency but he convinced the Susan Sarandon's of the World that Democrats deserved Trump for supporting Hillary in the primaries.
And ^^this is exactly why Turtle Boy was the most powerful man in America during the Obama administration. Not only did he destroy Obama's Presidency but he convinced the Susan Sarandon's of the World that Democrats deserved Trump for supporting Hillary in the primaries.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
usga took away the date of the month you posted unless you know the ghin # after exec were caught playing and posting midweek
usga took away the date of the month you posted unless you know the ghin # after exec were caught playing and posting midweek
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Speculation, sure, but it's stupidly easy to connect the dots when these people paint the line between them for you.
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
Its pretty clear that trix is one of the people who wants to blow Sanders, so I don't think you're going to convince him otherwise. It'd be like telling a devout parishioner that their religion is all wrong.
However, Sanders would have gotten crushed by Trump. He doesn't strike me as a man who handles criticism or scrutiny well, and if Chump was able to make hay over Hillary's time in DC (Sanders has been in Congress since like 1987 I think) and stamina for the job (Sanders is 95 IIRC, or at least he looks it), plus corruption (big payday for Bernie's wife from defunct college in Burlington) I can't see Bernie going toe to toe in a debate, let alone the whole campaign. Few people think tax rates of 90% on income is fair. Its great that people like Kep believe that, but show up with that kind of proposal and you'll hand the GOP a filibuster proof majority in the Senate while you're at it.
But the bottom line is lefty voters need to grow up. Run and vote your preferred candidates in the primaries in any race you can find. But, if your person loses, don't look for conspiracy theories that don't exist. Turn to the nominee who probably agrees with 80% of what you want and for the other 20% maybe you can convince them otherwise once in office. Lets say in 2020 Joe Manchin captures the nomination while Bernie and Warren split the vote. Do you A) support the guy because you know that he's on board with keeping and improving the ACA and against all the anti-immigrant and white supremacist actions coming out of the White House, B) Pick up your ball out of the sandbox and run home crying only to not vote or vote 3rd party to make yourself out as some kind of martyr, or C) Vote for Trump because hey, there's no different between Manchin and him right because they both want more coal energy so that trumps everything else.
Trump already is making a bet, and unfortunately he has uncanny political instincts. What Trump is betting is that he keeps his 62M voters more or less, and then sows the seeds of dissent on the Dem side with whoever the nominee is and hopes whiny Dems stay home. Frankly he might be right. As I often say, whenever some lefty loon goes off on a "Bernie got screwed" rant, somewhere Kellyanne Conway gets a big smile on her face...
Its pretty clear that trix is one of the people who wants to blow Sanders, so I don't think you're going to convince him otherwise. It'd be like telling a devout parishioner that their religion is all wrong.
However, Sanders would have gotten crushed by Trump. He doesn't strike me as a man who handles criticism or scrutiny well, and if Chump was able to make hay over Hillary's time in DC (Sanders has been in Congress since like 1987 I think) and stamina for the job (Sanders is 95 IIRC, or at least he looks it), plus corruption (big payday for Bernie's wife from defunct college in Burlington) I can't see Bernie going toe to toe in a debate, let alone the whole campaign. Few people think tax rates of 90% on income is fair. Its great that people like Kep believe that, but show up with that kind of proposal and you'll hand the GOP a filibuster proof majority in the Senate while you're at it.
But the bottom line is lefty voters need to grow up. Run and vote your preferred candidates in the primaries in any race you can find. But, if your person loses, don't look for conspiracy theories that don't exist. Turn to the nominee who probably agrees with 80% of what you want and for the other 20% maybe you can convince them otherwise once in office. Lets say in 2020 Joe Manchin captures the nomination while Bernie and Warren split the vote. Do you A) support the guy because you know that he's on board with keeping and improving the ACA and against all the anti-immigrant and white supremacist actions coming out of the White House, B) Pick up your ball out of the sandbox and run home crying only to not vote or vote 3rd party to make yourself out as some kind of martyr, or C) Vote for Trump because hey, there's no different between Manchin and him right because they both want more coal energy so that trumps everything else.
Trump already is making a bet, and unfortunately he has uncanny political instincts. What Trump is betting is that he keeps his 62M voters more or less, and then sows the seeds of dissent on the Dem side with whoever the nominee is and hopes whiny Dems stay home. Frankly he might be right. As I often say, whenever some lefty loon goes off on a "Bernie got screwed" rant, somewhere Kellyanne Conway gets a big smile on her face...
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
It says something about the strength of your argument that every time we discuss this you have to bring out your smears about being starry-eyed for Bernie or being a pothead college student at Saturday market.
Maybe if you actually talked about the merits of policy you would convince somebody. But ad hom and snark is all you have. There is nothing behind your snarling except "''shut up,' he explained."
We tried your way for thirty years after getting routed by Reagan. We tried shelving liberal policy because we didn't want to anger the big money donors or scare away the suburbanites. After the blowouts of the 80s that seemed reasonable. In 1992 maybe it was indeed the best we could do.
But sticking with that strategy has gotten us where we are today: a government up and down the tiers dominated by conservatives, the rebirth of rightwing fanaticism and fascism, the steady erosion of women's rights, burgeoning racism, an inequality chasm that has destroyed the middle class, and the institutionalization of bribery to replace democratic government with plutocracy.
Your way failed. Our way may fail but (1) we deserve a chance, and (2) the one time we held sway we created the middle class and the American economic miracle while beating the Nazis, and that's a pretty good track record.
It says something about the strength of your argument that every time we discuss this you have to bring out your smears about being starry-eyed for Bernie or being a pothead college student at Saturday market.
Maybe if you actually talked about the merits of policy you would convince somebody. But ad hom and snark is all you have. There is nothing behind your snarling except "''shut up,' he explained."
We tried your way for thirty years after getting routed by Reagan. We tried shelving liberal policy because we didn't want to anger the big money donors or scare away the suburbanites. After the blowouts of the 80s that seemed reasonable. In 1992 maybe it was indeed the best we could do.
But sticking with that strategy has gotten us where we are today: a government up and down the tiers dominated by conservatives, the rebirth of rightwing fanaticism and fascism, the steady erosion of women's rights, burgeoning racism, an inequality chasm that has destroyed the middle class, and the institutionalization of bribery to replace democratic government with plutocracy.
Your way failed. Our way may fail but (1) we deserve a chance, and (2) the one time we held sway we created the middle class and the American economic miracle while beating the Nazis, and that's a pretty good track record.
Last edited:
trixR4kids
Well-known member
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.
And I don't think Bernie got cheated as much as he started late, campaigned like he wasn't going to win, and didn't do anything to discredit his opponent in the primary. That's on him no argument there but that doesn't change the fact that the primary isn't exactly the most fair open process and should be improved going forward especially in states like NY. And yes he still got 42% there that doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten more if the system wasn't set up like it was.
I literally addressed every single one of these things. And I'm specifically talking about this one because it's the one I'm familiar with and I don't know every single rule that has changed since 2000, I only know the results of the previous ones. This process as is isn't very fair and we can see that historically it hasn't translated well to the general election. Even if you disagree about the fairness of the process and all the different points brought up regarding that specific aspect, then you need to at least admit that they need to find a better process for finding candidates that won't be beat by a complete neo nazi clown and a bumbling idiot 2x.
And I don't think Bernie got cheated as much as he started late, campaigned like he wasn't going to win, and didn't do anything to discredit his opponent in the primary. That's on him no argument there but that doesn't change the fact that the primary isn't exactly the most fair open process and should be improved going forward especially in states like NY. And yes he still got 42% there that doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten more if the system wasn't set up like it was.
And yet most data indicates otherwise including the open primary states.
Last edited:
ScoobyDoo
NPC
- Status