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POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

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One thing that I've brought up before- Cuba.

We just got back from a weekend in Havana, and it really brought home how misguided our policy is to them, and moreso how dump and little marco want to restrict our travel there.

They pretend that Cuba is still in 1980's communism. Or even early 2000's communism. It's not. Not even close.

I think I mentioned that it's only been 5 years since normal people were allowed to talk and hang out with tourists, and it's been just over a year since Americans had a lot of the restrictions lifted for travel there.

In theory, we want to defeat communism. And the easy way to do that is to show that capitalism is a good way to go. When you go down to Havana, you see that you can spend money on entrepreneurs who open shops, restaurants, taxis, tours, etc. It's really easy to spend an entire weekend where you spend 90% of your money in individual businesses. Yes, they pay fees, but when you do the math- their fees are less than our taxes. Which is really odd to consider.

So letting us travel keeps that momentum going.

I know there is worry about freedoms. And yes, it's STILL a communist country that is supposedly ruled by a nasty government. But every single person we talked to was comfortable talking about the failings of the state. Every single one. More than one pointed out that few Cubans feel comfortable displaying Cuban flags directly -as they will be labeled a communist, as if that is a bad accusation. Can you imagine being accused of being a communist in Cuba is a bad thing??? Many also feel very comfortable asking us about what the heck happened when dump got elected. Some being optimistic that it's brought a lot of voters to the booth- so this may be a short run.

This is a very different country than it was just a few years ago.

Cuba needs a big country to help them. Right now, we are letting China do all of that. If we helped out, Cuba can easily be a country were we get some natural resources, and a decent place to get cheap produce- as it's a LOT closer than other countries where we import food from. They have a lot of smart people- which would be a boom to our struggling tech companies looking for talent. And the medical system has a lot of advantages over ours- including a HUGE number of doctors.

Just another example of how fear makes us do stupid things.
 
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But we only respect countries with good human rights records. Like Saudi Arabia.
 
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Cuban Americans in Florida voted for Trump in big numbers.
 
alfablue said:
I'm wondering who he is going to blame when food prices go up.

dumpies are happy to see immigration go down because they are afraid of it. The side effect of less illegal immigration is lower legal immigration, less workers, higher food costs, then what?

Or when tech companies struggle to businesses in Canada- since they are welcoming the income of talent, vs the outright suspicion of it here. Granted, I have mentioned that it's odd that the company I work with seems to be increasing the number of non-US citizens we have working here- but that may be because the US talent pool has shrunk thanks to the cutbacks in education.

The long term effects of republican policies, driven by the anti-globalist fear mongerers is going to really tank this country.

Then again, it hurts us a LOT that we look down on the most physical of labor plus give bonus points to people who have unearned income. For a country that is supposed to have a work-a-holic stance- we shun real work pretty badly.
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This is my humble opinion, and I could very well be wrong, but I think a lot of the doom and gloom is overstated. There are people who want to drive down the cost of labor as much as they can. I don't think there will be much change to the average consumer.
 
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Rover said:
Amazes me that some people truly thought Trump wouldn't be as bad as a President as he's been.
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Trump's presidency has turned out pretty much exactly like I expected.

I think the first time that I posted this opinion was when it was leaked that Kasich was offered the V.P. slot, with the offer of being permitted to handle all foreign issues as well as domestic policy. The expected jokes about "what is left" flew about the internet, but I posted that this seemed like typical Trump. He had, and has, no interest in doing the actual hard work of POTUS. He just wants to be the POTUS. He wants to fly around the world and hear himself announced as POTUS and hear "Hail to the Chief" played, bark a couple of orders to subordinates, then go play golf.

That is exactly how it has played out. Legislatively he will accomplish nothing. He doesn't know how, and he doesn't have the political capital to get it done. Frankly, I think he's just too lazy to do it and it doesn't interest him.

All we've seen him do, and all that he will do, is pick and choose a couple of things implemented by Obama that he can set aside or stop, and he'll do those. He'll then tell his base about how he is reversing all of those horrible Obama policies, then he'll go play golf.

What too many lefties, including a lot of them here, haven't figured out is that Trump is going to turn out to be about as good as you're going to get as a Republican POTUS. He won't actually do the work of implementing any conservative legislation, and his general unpleasantness is going to fire up the left in the next election. It could have been a lot worse for you, with a Republican Congress.
 
Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Let's play "Guess Who Said It":

As an example, you have people in this county for 20 years. They’ve done a great job. They’ve done wonderfully. They’ve gone to school. They’ve gotten good marks. They’re productive. Now we’re supposed to send them out of the country? I don’t believe in that...and you understand that. I don’t believe in a lot of things that are being said.
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alfablue said:
Just another example of how fear makes us do stupid things.
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It's not fear, it's domestic politics.

Our policy re: Cuba has nothing to do with communism. Or Cuba. It has to do with a bunch of formerly obscenely rich, now only super rich Cuban families living in Florida who made fortunes running Batista's feudal police state. When the people said "f-ck you" to them Castro nationalized their property. They're still mad 50 years later because Imelda Marcos had all those lovely shoes why shouldn't they?

Those f-cks give a ton of bribes to anybody who promises to shave the Castros' beards, so politicians posture and preen for their money.
 
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SJHovey said:
What too many lefties, including a lot of them here, haven't figured out is that Trump is going to turn out to be about as good as you're going to get as a Republican POTUS. He won't actually do the work of implementing any conservative legislation, and his general unpleasantness is going to fire up the left in the next election. It could have been a lot worse for you, with a Republican Congress.
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We do get that. When fascism came to America it's a relief it came wrapped in Mickey D's and carrying a mirror. If Trump wasn't an actual threat to unleash nuclear weapons I'd say fine let's live with it. He is now the face of Republicanism and conservatism, and that is very good news for the left.

If we can take Congress back in 2018 I will happily let Trump continue to come home to roost for the GOP. They deserve him.
 
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SJHovey said:
What too many lefties, including a lot of them here, haven't figured out is that Trump is going to turn out to be about as good as you're going to get as a Republican POTUS. He won't actually do the work of implementing any conservative legislation, and his general unpleasantness is going to fire up the left in the next election. It could have been a lot worse for you, with a Republican Congress.
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What you actually meant to say is, if Pence were in office, we'd be completely boned. Which is correct, as he'd pencil-whip everything Lyin' Ryan and Yertle the Turtle sent his way. At least with Trump, he's such a putz with his outlandish ideas (the wall) and attacking members of Congress who are ostensibly on his side, that even they don't want to work with him.
 
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Kepler said:
We do get that. When fascism came to America it's a relief it came wrapped in Mickey D's and carrying a mirror. If Trump wasn't an actual threat to unleash nuclear weapons I'd say fine let's live with it. He is now the face of Republicanism and conservatism, and that is very good news for the left.

If we can take Congress back in 2018 I will happily let Trump continue to come home to roost for the GOP. They deserve him.
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That would require the higher up Democrats to actually learn something and there's zero indication that they have.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/y9h03...-winning-elections-again---extended-interview
 
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Drew S. said:
This is my humble opinion, and I could very well be wrong, but I think a lot of the doom and gloom is overstated. There are people who want to drive down the cost of labor as much as they can. I don't think there will be much change to the average consumer.
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Here's the thing- the reason that migrant workers are even here doing stuff is either 1) automation isn't really possible, or 2) it's so expensive that it makes no sense for the benefit.

And the net result of lowering labor costs is decreasing the amount of raw money flowing through the economy. It may be good for a specific business and their shareholders, but it's not good for the general economy.

When you match together the loss of normal factory labor jobs and the loss of immigrant workers, all you are really doing is asking the general labor force to take a pay cut AND work harder. Sorry, but I don't see that as a good thing.

Again, the fact that so much wealth is being concentrated on people who don't use it- that's a problem for the long term economy. We are a consumer economy- take away the consumer, and this all falls apart.
 
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Kepler said:
It's not fear, it's domestic politics.

Our policy re: Cuba has nothing to do with communism. Or Cuba. It has to do with a bunch of formerly obscenely rich, now only super rich Cuban families living in Florida who made fortunes running Batista's feudal police state. When the people said "f-ck you" to them Castro nationalized their property. They're still mad 50 years later because Imelda Marcos had all those lovely shoes why shouldn't they?

Those f-cks give a ton of bribes to anybody who promises to shave the Castros' beards, so politicians posture and preen for their money.
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All of them don't want to admit they had any blame for the revolution. Which was NOT a communist revolution until it was well over..

(actually- we had a very good conversation with an art professor over what happened in the 50's leading up to it- and the contrast with Puerto Rico- not sure if we came to correct conclusions, but it's sure interesting to consider.)
 
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Rover said:
Amazes me that some people truly thought Trump wouldn't be as bad as a President as he's been. If there's two things I thought he'd absolutely deliver on, its immigrant scapegoating and tearing up trade deals, both of which he can do himself without any legislative oversight. These play right to his base.

Now personally this doesn't affect me any as I don't hire a lawn service or run a construction company. However this is a good time to see just how enlightened media portrayed heroes of the right like Paul Ryan are. Chump is hilariously openly daring the GOP led Congress to come up with a solution over the next 6 months. While I feel sorry of course for the people caught in the middle of this, watching Goopers flail around and then ultimately kowtow down to Trump is going to be pretty amusing.
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You forgot that he would definitely not defund the military cause he needs a war. He was so predictable yet so many fell for his schtick.
 
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SJHovey said:
What too many lefties, including a lot of them here, haven't figured out is that Trump is going to turn out to be about as good as you're going to get as a Republican POTUS. He won't actually do the work of implementing any conservative legislation, and his general unpleasantness is going to fire up the left in the next election. It could have been a lot worse for you, with a Republican Congress.
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So having the rise of the nationalist/white supremacists/nazi right is the best D's can ask for? I very much don't see that happening with ANY other R POTUS.

Nor do I see ANY other R making a mockery of our election- first doubting the results before the election, then doubting the results after, and then trying to stop outside countries from having an influence. There may be some Rs that have that little integrity, but most of the national ones would have turned the russians in with the invitation that dumpjr got.

I'm also not so sure that anything would have been done with the ACA. Given the depth of ideas that were presented- it would have had to have been a pretty good plan that a different POTUS would have needed to get something done.

If this is the best that can happen to Ds- wow. That really points out how crappy R's have become.
 
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SJHovey said:
Trump's presidency has turned out pretty much exactly like I expected.

I think the first time that I posted this opinion was when it was leaked that Kasich was offered the V.P. slot, with the offer of being permitted to handle all foreign issues as well as domestic policy. The expected jokes about "what is left" flew about the internet, but I posted that this seemed like typical Trump. He had, and has, no interest in doing the actual hard work of POTUS. He just wants to be the POTUS. He wants to fly around the world and hear himself announced as POTUS and hear "Hail to the Chief" played, bark a couple of orders to subordinates, then go play golf.

That is exactly how it has played out. Legislatively he will accomplish nothing. He doesn't know how, and he doesn't have the political capital to get it done. Frankly, I think he's just too lazy to do it and it doesn't interest him.

All we've seen him do, and all that he will do, is pick and choose a couple of things implemented by Obama that he can set aside or stop, and he'll do those. He'll then tell his base about how he is reversing all of those horrible Obama policies, then he'll go play golf.

What too many lefties, including a lot of them here, haven't figured out is that Trump is going to turn out to be about as good as you're going to get as a Republican POTUS. He won't actually do the work of implementing any conservative legislation, and his general unpleasantness is going to fire up the left in the next election. It could have been a lot worse for you, with a Republican Congress.
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Most Republicans wouldnt go after the stuff he is going after. Most Republicans wouldnt be pushing through travel bans and ending DACA. (they would discuss it but never do it) Most Republicans wouldnt be openly threatening North Korea because their Child King is trolling them.

While you are correct that legislatively nothing is getting done which is good, the truth is everything else he is doing is causing just as much harm. Honestly speaking I think all Republicans would have had had the same issues he did with the stuff he tried to get passed. No one was getting ObamaCare repealed...
 
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