POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

[Drew S.]

In what should be readily apparent but clearly is beyond you, the answer is: all of the above.

The condition of being a Deplorable has nothing to do with geography.

You enlightened liberals are teaching me so much! A year has passed and honestly didn't remember much about it other than the takeaway that it was supposedly a slight on folks like me. It looks like that wasn't entirely the case. I have said before that I irrationally didn't like her and that wouldn't have changed my opinion.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Also, the right really needs to stop playing this card:

<img src="http://imgur.com/5LuyjvE.png"></img>

 

[leswp1]

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Let's take this further. Extremist. I meet the most evil horrible person in the world. I punch him.

1. He gets a black eye. That's it.
2. He dies b/c somehow he falls backwards, hits his head, and dies from complications.


Intent is the same in both cases: intent to injure. Results are different. Understand?

I am lost. There is a world of difference between using a car to run people over and having someone die because they fell after you punched them. There is also a world of difference between 2 groups protesting simultaneously and one group coming out of their area, intruding into the other groups space in order to inflame and instigate and then saying it isn't my faule he hit me. From what I am hearing the White Supremicists made a number of planned forays to get right up into the opposing side's grill. I am old enough that if a bully on the playground gets in your face you wack him. If he goes to cry to the teacher the teacher says you asked for it. These people purposefully went out to get the reaction they got. Not sorry they got it

and also apparently the was a large group of the WS that showed up at the local Walmart to buy weapons and body protection. The Walmart folks called the police and refused to sell them. Was listening to someone who was there be interviewed

The whole two wrongs don't make a right argument makes me sick. All the people who hid and rescued Jews in WWII were technically breaking the law too.

This is the best commentary yet. You must spread before giving rep to....

There are around 330 million people in the country, don't you think there are a decent amount with some kind of whacky views? Let's not completely lose perspective on this. It's horrible what happened and we need to find some kind of solution to it, but doesn't mean all 100 million republicans/conservatives are awful people.

To you earlier comment, deplorable to me probably means something different than what it meant to you or anyone else. I took it more as an attack on rural folk(which I'm from a rural area) than solely white supremacists.

There is a difference between wacky and dangerous

I think it's more about hating change and how good things were back in the day than anything else. In a lot of ways I think conservatives were ahead of the curve with that stuff as it seems liberals have now caught up. Even when Bush was president it didn't seem like there was anywhere close to the anger there is now.

Well, people are getting killed, having a president and public leaders insult, belittle, break the laws, ignore the constitution so I imagine people should be just a tad angry. There is change and there is illegal, immoral, unethical change. We are seeing the second.

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've read. *** is possibly deplorable about rural folk!?!?!!

How can you possibly read that into the statement??

These nazis ARE the deplorables you stand behind.

Read that again.

These nazis ARE the deplorables you stand behind.

Geez

That's exactly what I think! I think we are wonderful folk and when she said it I was very irritated. Maybe she meant something different, but to me it was rural people she was talking about.

Talk about a looking for a reason to justify hating someone.

It was pretty clear she was talking about the people who approve of racism, Islamaphobia, homophobia, ***** grabbin', misogyny, and making fun of the disabled. Unless you consider those to be key attributes of wonderful folk.

She might not have meant all rural people, but she had a certain type in mind seeing as she exempted people from a lot of bigger states.

How. Really, how did you come to the conclusion that deplorables were rural people????

How could you possibly read into her statement that she meant anyone other than the racist xenophobes that we saw this weekend??

There is NO basis that liberals or anyone would think rural folk are bad at all. That extension takes some real imagination.

What kind of media were you reading that pretends that?? Honestly.

The last post says it all. After all the coverage regarding the disgusting people that tRump was courting it was clear that she was calling the support of those who were the dregs of society into question. I suppose if you are on a strict diet of Faux News you would have been looking at it through the filter of everything being normalized. After watching all the things that were happening at the rallies, the people who were the underbelly of society coming out telling people how wonderful tRumps horrible statements and behaviour was, how horrible his spokespeople were, I breathed a sigh of relief that someone had the female version of balls to call out that acceptance (yeah, it is a run on sentence, I know). I have to admit I was completely taken aback the way that Faux/Hate media managed to completely twist and co-opt what was a legitimate message- calling out the candidate for courting and garnering support from the nasty, extremist fringes. Somehow they turned it into an attack on normal people and made it a Badge of Honor. Again, brilliant marketing and the folks they said were being attacked fell for it like sheople.

What happened to hating the communists? Surely we're not returning to the 40s?

We don't hate them. Putin is awesome. He is going to help us. He is bigly good. Tremendous.

Following up on what's already been said, you can't just turn the other cheek and hope for the best. That approach doesn't work. Do that and it becomes a sign of acceptance, and then the people carrying the torches today are going to be the people holding elective office tomorrow.

You aren't going to convince the people who have decided blindly to believe what is being fed to them or who are so indoctrinated they don't even need to be told what to think anymore. The reason you call it out is for the people who are just realizing what is happening, who are not yet decided and for the rest of the world who sees what is happening and wonders if we actually think this is OK.

You call it out so those who are appalled with the behaviour know they are not alone. Without speaking up who knows how many people think as you do. Strenght is in numbers and you need to know there are numbers. Right after the election on my FB feed anything that was called out caused immediate backlash with personal attacks on those who spoke up, character assassination, people being accused of not loving the country, of not understanding. Speaking for myself, I was devastated that I lived in a country that was capable of tolerating what I was seeing. I was horrified that 'Christians' were supporting what was the equivalent of Anti-Christ behaviour. My town, in particular, was very happy to see tRump elected and to condone a lot of the nastiness. To see it was nauseating. I went to a rally in Concord NH, dragged by my friend, and it was the first time I saw that others were just as disgusted.

This is why you need to keep speaking. Every time. You don't need to be nasty but to ignore it is to be complicit. (Well, not not for people like Flaggy- he is is so silly no words are needed.)

 

[leswp1]

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So are the deplorables from NY, CA, FL, TX, SC, and GA or the other states?

Slow down. Read the quote again. Pretend it was said by someone other than the person you don't like. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing when you have it.

You enlightened liberals are teaching me so much! A year has passed and honestly didn't remember much about it other than the takeaway that it was supposedly a slight on folks like me. It looks like that wasn't entirely the case. I have said before that I irrationally didn't like her and that wouldn't have changed my opinion.

This says it all right there. You were told what to think. You bought it and thought it.

 

[Drew S.]

Slow down. Read the quote again. Pretend it was said by someone other than the person you don't like. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing when you have it.

This says it all right there. You were told what to think. You bought it and thought it.

I couldn't agree more. I should absolutely be more careful. Some of the vitriol is unnecessary, but it's been interesting reading these threads and mixing it up with some of you. I really like reading contrarian points of view.

 

[geezer]

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You don't need to be nasty but to ignore it is to be complicit.

I think this is key, and the first is more important than the second if you don't want to make things worse than they are now. As a conservative person who hates almost everything the Republicans have been doing, I've been trying to build bridges back to sanity for family, friends, and strangers when I can. You can testify to simple things like "I won't vote for Trump because he's shown himself to be dishonest and keeps picking petty arguments" which are undeniable and feed their doubts about Trump without being hateful.
The night after Charlottesville had gone down, obviously emotions were running high and people were wondering what they should do to respond. In physical appearance I'm more or less Stephen Miller with more hair. I got a slightly dirty look from a black guy in a parking lot that night as I was walking into a store. I could have ignored him, I could have glared back, I could have gotten all defensive and taken it up a notch. But instead, to engage positively, I held the door and waited for him, and said something like "you go ahead, sir." The guy looked a little surprised but then smiled bigly and said, "No, I'm going to hold it for you, my brother." It was beautiful and it left us both in a better mood.
I'm just saying hate cannot heal hate.

 

[SJHovey]

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These are trolls that kill people...ignoring them doesnt make them go away it makes them gas up their Hemi.

We have spent decades ignoring them...when they claimed the Government was going to kill them all at Ruby Ridge we balked. When they blew up the Federal Building in OKC we didnt go around hunting them down. When they took the fledgling internet and used it as ways to organize we kept them in the shadows making sure not to give them a pulpit. The problem is every time we ignore them they grow and they feel more emboldened.

And that is their game. Sure they want us to fight back, but they also count on the idea that we will just ignore them until it is too late. This is not some small isolated incident...this has been building for months and many of these clowns bussed in from all over the country to spit in the face of America. Sooner or later you cant just look the other way or you are part of the problem.

If they march down the street beating people with sticks or killing people, call the cops. If they march down the street vandalizing property, call the cops.

If they are beating people, killing people, vandalizing property, you don't meet them with a mob of your own.

If they are marching down the street shouting nonsense, turn and walk away.

 

[Handyman]

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You enlightened liberals are teaching me so much! A year has passed and honestly didn't remember much about it other than the takeaway that it was supposedly a slight on folks like me. It looks like that wasn't entirely the case. I have said before that I irrationally didn't like her and that wouldn't have changed my opinion.

So you screw up a quote (in amazingly the same way the Right Wing Echo Chamber wants you too) and then get a bit snarky because people who actually have facts point out how wrong you were? It isnt our fault we actually read beyond the headlines try it sometime it is, to steal your word, ENLIGHTENING.

 

[leswp1]

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Wow. For those who are saying the counter protesters asked for it. Do you really believe this is the 'it' they were asking for?
https://www.cjr.org/first_person/charlottesville-protest-photographer-photo.php?link

Link was posted on a theFB wall of fellow poster on the Board who is a photog. Hi knows the guy who took the shot

 

[Handyman]

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If they march down the street beating people with sticks or killing people, call the cops. If they march down the street vandalizing property, call the cops.

If they are beating people, killing people, vandalizing property, you don't meet them with a mob of your own.

If they are marching down the street shouting nonsense, turn and walk away.

The cops were there. The cops didnt do anything about the guns or the torches and they certainly couldnt do anything about Cletus and his Hemi taking out (to quote the Alt Right sites) the fat pig.

Again it is super easy for you to talk this way...it is no big deal taking the high road when it isnt your face being spit on or you are the one being threatened. Sometimes you cant ignore it anymore and it would be dangerous to do so. Or we could have another Kristelnacht...hey the Jews didnt mob up and fight back there and it went super well for them amirite?

 

[SJHovey]

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The cops were there. The cops didnt do anything about the guns or the torches and they certainly couldnt do anything about Cletus and his Hemi taking out (to quote the Alt Right sites) the fat pig.

Again it is super easy for you to talk this way...it is no big deal taking the high road when it isnt your face being spit on or you are the one being threatened. Sometimes you cant ignore it anymore and it would be dangerous to do so. Or we could have another Kristelnacht...hey the Jews didnt mob up and fight back there and it went super well for them amirite?

Well, mobbing up and confronting them sure worked well. At least one dead, many more injured, and more publicity than those clowns could have hoped to have achieved in a million years over their stupid little march.

 

[Handyman]

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I'm just saying hate cannot heal hate.

Yeah but peace isnt going to stop what happened there either. It isnt like racism died in the South when MLK was peacefully marching and praying for unity or that Naziism died in Germany (or Europe in general) despite Germans denunciations and calls for peace and harmony.

Our job is to stop its spread...

 

[Drew S.]

The cops were there. The cops didnt do anything about the guns or the torches and they certainly couldnt do anything about Cletus and his Hemi taking out (to quote the Alt Right sites) the fat pig.

Again it is super easy for you to talk this way...it is no big deal taking the high road when it isnt your face being spit on or you are the one being threatened. Sometimes you cant ignore it anymore and it would be dangerous to do so. Or we could have another Kristelnacht...hey the Jews didnt mob up and fight back there and it went super well for them amirite?

Saw a quote from McAuliffe today that cops were outgunned. It's a miracle someone's gun didn't accidentally go off.

 

[Handyman]

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Well, mobbing up and confronting them sure worked well. At least one dead, many more injured, and more publicity than those clowns could have hoped to have achieved in a million years over their stupid little march.

I am guessing the anti-protesters feel better about what they did than they would have had they stayed home or walked by and ignored it....even the ones injured. Despite what some of your ilk think these arent precious little snowflakes (that would be the ******* on the other side who cant take that Darky Gunna Some To mmm hmm!!) they were there to make sure the record was set straight...that these clowns can have their little torchlight parade but they wont silence those they hate.

 

[SJHovey]

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Yeah but peace isnt going to stop what happened there either. It isnt like racism died in the South when MLK was peacefully marching and praying for unity or that Naziism died in Germany (or Europe in general) despite Germans denunciations and calls for peace and harmony.

Our job is to stop its spread...

The U.S. and it's allies assembled probably the greatest united fighting force in history, basically burned Germany to the ground and executed everyone they could find who was connected to the Reich.

Those steps were necessary to end the war and punish those responsible for horrible crimes, but only a fool would be naive enough to think that fascism or white supremacy or the like would die with those people.

You use force to stop criminal actions. You use education to stop the spread of horrible ideas. But assembling a mob to confront a mob is a fools idea.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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James Alex Fields looked nervous and listless on the small monitor in the corner of the courtroom. Mostly he kept his head down, his eyes darting occasionally up towards the camera.

He was wearing a striped jumpsuit and had the neat, buzzcut hairstyle favoured by many white supremacists and neo-nazis who have united under the banner of the so-called "alt-right".

Judge Robert Downer read his charges - one count of murder, one count of hit and run, three counts of malicious wounding.

Alex Fields spoke briefly to say he was employed by Securitas and Omni Ohio, could not afford a lawyer, and had no ties to Charlottesville. Judge Downer denied him bail, and revealed he could not be appointed a public defender because someone in the public defender's office was directly affected by the crime.

His appointed lawyer, Charles Webster, named in court by the judge, had yet to be contacted to inform him of his latest client.

In 10 minutes it was over. Outside the court, known white nationalist Matthew Heimbach was shouting that the death of Heather Heyer was the fault of the police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40928769

May Matthew Heimback rot in hell.

 

[geezer]

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Yeah but peace isnt going to stop what happened there either. It isnt like racism died in the South when MLK was peacefully marching and praying for unity or that Naziism died in Germany (or Europe in general) despite Germans denunciations and calls for peace and harmony.

Our job is to stop its spread...

I agree. Regardless of what tone we take in political discussions with people we each engage with (I was talking about engaging with your average Trump voter), the actual terrorists need to be locked up. Every person, especially conservatives, need to be clear in condemning the nazis. We also shouldn't play identity politics by equating every gun owner or white man with them, identity politics just causes more problems.

 

[Drew S.]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40928769

May Matthew Heimback rot in hell.

There was a double homicide in Boston a couple months ago and the guy had worked for Securitas or a similar company. That makes you feel really safe.

 

[SJHovey]

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I am guessing the anti-protesters feel better about what they did than they would have had they stayed home or walked by and ignored it....even the ones injured. Despite what some of your ilk think these arent precious little snowflakes (that would be the ******* on the other side who cant take that Darky Gunna Some To mmm hmm!!) they were there to make sure the record was set straight...that these clowns can have their little torchlight parade but they wont silence those they hate.

Honestly, that's one of the things that really bothers me about this event.

This didn't feel like a situation where you had the right wing mob start to attack some bystander in the wrong place at the wrong time, and another mob of people came together to protect the victim and fight back. This felt like an anti-Trump mob, a group angry, bitter and frustrated with an election nine months ago, spoiling for a fight, and as you noted in your post, now feeling a whole lot better about themselves for extracting their pound of flesh even at the cost of some poor girl's life.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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LOLOLOL one of the members of the Old Women's Club at the work lunchroom just said people who want to take the statues down don't know history, because confederate weren't fighting for slaves, they were fighting for "economic freedom."

You can't fix stupid.