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POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
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dxmnkd316
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I wonder if the GOP and their morons are going to hunt for the real killer. Probably shacked up with Vince Foster's murderer.
I wonder if the GOP and their morons are going to hunt for the real killer. Probably shacked up with Vince Foster's murderer.
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It may have taken thousands of posts, but it was bound to happen eventually!
I think we all need to grab on to this as a point of near universal agreement.
You are correct -- it is inevitable.
It may have taken thousands of posts, but it was bound to happen eventually!
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LOL, I thought he was referring to someone who ran last year. The only person I could think of who came anywhere close was Rubio, but I knew he couldn't be the answer. Was Macron born in Kenya as well
? They were both young when they came to office and that is where the similarities end for me. Macron is pretty much a centrist and I can't think of any issues where Obama wasn't solidly left on. One could argue drone use I guess.
LOL, I thought he was referring to someone who ran last year. The only person I could think of who came anywhere close was Rubio, but I knew he couldn't be the answer. Was Macron born in Kenya as well
? They were both young when they came to office and that is where the similarities end for me. Macron is pretty much a centrist and I can't think of any issues where Obama wasn't solidly left on. One could argue drone use I guess.LOL, I thought he was referring to someone who ran last year. The only person I could think of who came anywhere close was Rubio, but I knew he couldn't be the answer. Was Macron born in Kenya as well
Leaving aside the fact that you're completely wrong about Obama, what does his position on our country's political spectrum have to do with whether or not he is a competent statesman?
leswp1
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So interesting to see how people view Obama. Those on the far Left think he is too far Right. Those on the far Right think he is too far Left. IMHO I think it totally depended on the issue which way he leaned and he certainly wasn't a hard Left guy. It behooved the hard right media to paint him that way but if you actually looked at what he did, not at what those media outlets said he would do, or what they said he did, he wasn't as left as they said. At this point Reagan, the deity of the GOP, would be too far left because the ACA was mostly his idea
LOL, I thought he was referring to someone who ran last year. The only person I could think of who came anywhere close was Rubio, but I knew he couldn't be the answer. Was Macron born in Kenya as well
So interesting to see how people view Obama. Those on the far Left think he is too far Right. Those on the far Right think he is too far Left. IMHO I think it totally depended on the issue which way he leaned and he certainly wasn't a hard Left guy. It behooved the hard right media to paint him that way but if you actually looked at what he did, not at what those media outlets said he would do, or what they said he did, he wasn't as left as they said. At this point Reagan, the deity of the GOP, would be too far left because the ACA was mostly his idea
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
tD thinks mrs macron is in good shape. good eye.
tD thinks mrs macron is in good shape. good eye.
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Obama was a little too far left for me. Drastic? Not in the least. A good statesman. However, he did just enough to make me not be a fan. For (D) prez, compared to Clinton, he was light years ahead. I didn't respect Clinton. I respected his position, and that was it, similar to Trump.* Obama, I respected as a true president, despite my disagreements with stuff he did.
*Don't even try to equalize Clinton/Trump. It's not even close. Trump is so much worse. Period. However, I didn't like anything Clinton did, and he was a weasel in doing all he did in the office.
Obama was a little too far left for me. Drastic? Not in the least. A good statesman. However, he did just enough to make me not be a fan. For (D) prez, compared to Clinton, he was light years ahead. I didn't respect Clinton. I respected his position, and that was it, similar to Trump.* Obama, I respected as a true president, despite my disagreements with stuff he did.
*Don't even try to equalize Clinton/Trump. It's not even close. Trump is so much worse. Period. However, I didn't like anything Clinton did, and he was a weasel in doing all he did in the office.
leswp1
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Interesting. I thought he was a weasel as a person but thought Clinton did fairly well as a Prez. He worked across the aisle a lot even tho there was a lot of complaining and whining on both sides. No one got everything they wanted- as it should be- but we moved forward. He was also respected in the International community. (they didn't get the fixation with the Monica thing in a lot of places.)
What parts of O were too far Left? curious. On social issues I am more left but I am fairly conservative financially. When I take the tests I am fairly close to the little dot in the center. I am more of a pragmatist. You can dream what ever you want but you have to make it work out financially. A lot of what he did socially would end up costing us less in the long run (I know, it is a sin to think past tomorrow for most politicians!). Healthy, well nourished, educated people cost less in the long run than people. Spending time blaming people for not being able to afford good food, education or healthcare doesn't make the cost of them decrease.
Interesting. I thought he was a weasel as a person but thought Clinton did fairly well as a Prez. He worked across the aisle a lot even tho there was a lot of complaining and whining on both sides. No one got everything they wanted- as it should be- but we moved forward. He was also respected in the International community. (they didn't get the fixation with the Monica thing in a lot of places.)
What parts of O were too far Left? curious. On social issues I am more left but I am fairly conservative financially. When I take the tests I am fairly close to the little dot in the center. I am more of a pragmatist. You can dream what ever you want but you have to make it work out financially. A lot of what he did socially would end up costing us less in the long run (I know, it is a sin to think past tomorrow for most politicians!). Healthy, well nourished, educated people cost less in the long run than people. Spending time blaming people for not being able to afford good food, education or healthcare doesn't make the cost of them decrease.
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I'm not sure I understand how Obama can be called a good statesman. Sure, he might have been liked elsewhere but what good did it do our country? For me end product is much more important than whether someone is liked or not. His 'red line' speech and not intervening in the South China sea were major blunders.
I'm not sure I understand how Obama can be called a good statesman. Sure, he might have been liked elsewhere but what good did it do our country? For me end product is much more important than whether someone is liked or not. His 'red line' speech and not intervening in the South China sea were major blunders.
leswp1
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Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
Saw a thing on financing the wall where a GOP guy went on a rant about how we should cut food stamps to build the wall because people on food stamps have high BMIs so obviously they don't need it. :gnashes teeth:
It is quite true that many people on Food Stamps have high BMIs. It is also quite true that most of them are severely undernourished or malnourished. Anyone with the slightest knowledge, which should include a politician in congress, knows that people with less money are not able to afford the kinds of food that are healthy. The food that is cheapest is highly processed, full of fat, sugar and other garbage. If you live in the city then you might not even be able to access fresh stuff. Transporting things can be a problem when buying in bulk if you rely on public transport. Saw something awhile ago that said even in places with Farmers Markets it can cost up to 75% of a person's budget to get the kinds of foods recommended in the 'food pyramid' (or what ever that is called). That doesn't include the $ needed for getting to the place you could buy it.
Read a fascinating piece a bit ago about a college that gives an assignment to Nutrition majors- Goal- figure out plan of how to survive on Food Stamp budget (just food, not rent, etc). First part of semester they work on plan. Second part of semester they have to live it. They can't do it. They describe all sorts of difficulties- the time it takes to find sales, get to multiple places to get the food that is cheapest, traveling to the place all while trying to go to school. Many of them end up buying garbage food because they can afford it, it is accessible. Then they describe the changes of how they felt physically/ mental function. They did worse in school, felt physically more fatigued, etc. Having had patients working 2 jobs, juggling kids, work, etc and trying to get them to eat healthier/feed the kids healthier things I can attest to hearing this sort of thing a lot.
This is the reason for Michelle O. initiative. There was a lot of kickback about kids throwing away food. Well, when you eat crap that has high fat, high triglycerides/added sugar your brain gets conditioned to crave that food and reject the stuff that is healthier. (the human brain is soooo interesting). If you give options that are also crap food to older kids they will chose the crap. Also, if you offer food they have never seen or have little exposure to they will be leary. If you offer those same things to the younger kids they gravitate to the healthy stuff.
/end rant. that dude really burned my a55 to listen to him pontificate about fat people being lazy and not needing assistance. All this to build a wall that most everyone dealing with immigration thinks is a farce (love the town on the border suing to keep it off their border- I think they won)
Saw a thing on financing the wall where a GOP guy went on a rant about how we should cut food stamps to build the wall because people on food stamps have high BMIs so obviously they don't need it. :gnashes teeth:
It is quite true that many people on Food Stamps have high BMIs. It is also quite true that most of them are severely undernourished or malnourished. Anyone with the slightest knowledge, which should include a politician in congress, knows that people with less money are not able to afford the kinds of food that are healthy. The food that is cheapest is highly processed, full of fat, sugar and other garbage. If you live in the city then you might not even be able to access fresh stuff. Transporting things can be a problem when buying in bulk if you rely on public transport. Saw something awhile ago that said even in places with Farmers Markets it can cost up to 75% of a person's budget to get the kinds of foods recommended in the 'food pyramid' (or what ever that is called). That doesn't include the $ needed for getting to the place you could buy it.
Read a fascinating piece a bit ago about a college that gives an assignment to Nutrition majors- Goal- figure out plan of how to survive on Food Stamp budget (just food, not rent, etc). First part of semester they work on plan. Second part of semester they have to live it. They can't do it. They describe all sorts of difficulties- the time it takes to find sales, get to multiple places to get the food that is cheapest, traveling to the place all while trying to go to school. Many of them end up buying garbage food because they can afford it, it is accessible. Then they describe the changes of how they felt physically/ mental function. They did worse in school, felt physically more fatigued, etc. Having had patients working 2 jobs, juggling kids, work, etc and trying to get them to eat healthier/feed the kids healthier things I can attest to hearing this sort of thing a lot.
This is the reason for Michelle O. initiative. There was a lot of kickback about kids throwing away food. Well, when you eat crap that has high fat, high triglycerides/added sugar your brain gets conditioned to crave that food and reject the stuff that is healthier. (the human brain is soooo interesting). If you give options that are also crap food to older kids they will chose the crap. Also, if you offer food they have never seen or have little exposure to they will be leary. If you offer those same things to the younger kids they gravitate to the healthy stuff.
/end rant. that dude really burned my a55 to listen to him pontificate about fat people being lazy and not needing assistance. All this to build a wall that most everyone dealing with immigration thinks is a farce (love the town on the border suing to keep it off their border- I think they won)
WeAreNDHockey
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The dirty little secret is those in power (and far too many who support them politically) don't care at all about trying to help the people you describe. Until trump, most on the right would never say what they really thought, which is they don't really care if some poor black kid in the inner city starves or some poor white kid in Appalachia is a meth-head and is part of the 10th generation in a row in his family who is uneducated and unemployable in a modern economy. They don't care that someone can play by the rules, graduate from high school and work hard at two jobs but still can't afford to feed their family. They. Don't. Care. It's like all the consternation here in Ohio and in other states about the lack of drugs for so-called "humane" delivery of the death penalty. People who support the death penalty don't care if the guy getting the lethal injection suffers for a few minutes while he is dying.
Somebody working two retail jobs for 40 or 50 hours a week often cannot afford to feed their families or get healthcare without resorting to food stamps and medicaid. Try to explain to someone opposed to raising the minimum wage to a livable amount why it matters. I try to get them to understand that without a livable minimum wage, TAXPAYERS support hardworking people instead of the corporations with their billions of dollars. It doesn't matter because they don't care if the person who rings up your sale at Wal Mart can't feed their family without foodstamps. They don't want to pay more for their socks or bag of chips, and if we raise the minimum wage they might have to, they fear. When it is explained that either Wal Mart or the taxpayers are going to subsidize the cashier's food and healthcare, and they STILL don't support the idea of a livable wage, I know what that tells me.
The dirty little secret is those in power (and far too many who support them politically) don't care at all about trying to help the people you describe. Until trump, most on the right would never say what they really thought, which is they don't really care if some poor black kid in the inner city starves or some poor white kid in Appalachia is a meth-head and is part of the 10th generation in a row in his family who is uneducated and unemployable in a modern economy. They don't care that someone can play by the rules, graduate from high school and work hard at two jobs but still can't afford to feed their family. They. Don't. Care. It's like all the consternation here in Ohio and in other states about the lack of drugs for so-called "humane" delivery of the death penalty. People who support the death penalty don't care if the guy getting the lethal injection suffers for a few minutes while he is dying.
Somebody working two retail jobs for 40 or 50 hours a week often cannot afford to feed their families or get healthcare without resorting to food stamps and medicaid. Try to explain to someone opposed to raising the minimum wage to a livable amount why it matters. I try to get them to understand that without a livable minimum wage, TAXPAYERS support hardworking people instead of the corporations with their billions of dollars. It doesn't matter because they don't care if the person who rings up your sale at Wal Mart can't feed their family without foodstamps. They don't want to pay more for their socks or bag of chips, and if we raise the minimum wage they might have to, they fear. When it is explained that either Wal Mart or the taxpayers are going to subsidize the cashier's food and healthcare, and they STILL don't support the idea of a livable wage, I know what that tells me.
I completely agree with you. The sad part is that in today's world we can produce crazy amounts of quality food with little effort. Maine has been begging the government for a few years now to take some of the massive surplus of blueberries off its hands. The root of the problem in my opinion is the government is really behind the times technology wise(and undoubtedly that is to the benefit of certain parties.) I don't really even view this as a left-right type issue. It has to do with management more than anything else.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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Even with the softball pre-approved questions of Sean Hannity these ****tards can't tell the truth.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...unter-intelligence-officer-trump-team-n782851
Even with the softball pre-approved questions of Sean Hannity these ****tards can't tell the truth.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...unter-intelligence-officer-trump-team-n782851
leswp1
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Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
I am embarassingly cynical this morning
THe rightwing batsh1t crazy media keeps telling people the poor blacks in the city are getting it all. Stupid people haven't figured out their neighbors also get the assistance or they are in some form. Add that to the push for the Fed gubmint to abdicate all responsibility to the States and poof these people are screwed. The GOP controlled states don't put any money into the things that help folks like this- they whine, kicking and screaming. When it is no longer required and fed money is gone- these people are in a world of pain. Of course Darwin's theory- maybe it will kill enough of them off that we can elect someone intelligent who comprehends long term planning (not holding my breath)
I am embarassingly cynical this morning
leswp1
Well-known member
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In the general population most of this stuff isn't left-right. At the political level it is. The Right needs to convince folks people are screwing the system and if you work hard enough it will work out- at the same time blaming everyone but God when people can't make it work . That is the only way they can excuse cutting the budget and taxes. The Left wants to fix people by throwing lots of money at them. Any attempt to propose something that deals with the roots of the problem is immediately attacked (mostly by Right- see above- it is a hand out11!1!!1)! No one has the balls or the patience to look at why we are failing and how it costs big bucks.
In the general population most of this stuff isn't left-right. At the political level it is. The Right needs to convince folks people are screwing the system and if you work hard enough it will work out- at the same time blaming everyone but God when people can't make it work . That is the only way they can excuse cutting the budget and taxes. The Left wants to fix people by throwing lots of money at them. Any attempt to propose something that deals with the roots of the problem is immediately attacked (mostly by Right- see above- it is a hand out11!1!!1)! No one has the balls or the patience to look at why we are failing and how it costs big bucks.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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How you can continue to be so disconnected from reality is stupefying. Compared to our current president Obama is a Goliath of a statesman.
He was liked elsewhere because he was viewed as an adult. He made intelligent decisions instead of meaningless gestures meant to show off how big his dick was. He kept us as a global leader instead of abdicating it to Germany and France. I'm not sure if it's Merkel or Macron, but one of them is now the leader of the free world, not the POTUS for the first time in generations.
Not intervening in the South China Sea was a mistake and I'll note your man-god in the White House hasn't done f--kall about it since he got into office.
How you can continue to be so disconnected from reality is stupefying. Compared to our current president Obama is a Goliath of a statesman.
He was liked elsewhere because he was viewed as an adult. He made intelligent decisions instead of meaningless gestures meant to show off how big his dick was. He kept us as a global leader instead of abdicating it to Germany and France. I'm not sure if it's Merkel or Macron, but one of them is now the leader of the free world, not the POTUS for the first time in generations.
Not intervening in the South China Sea was a mistake and I'll note your man-god in the White House hasn't done f--kall about it since he got into office.
Where did I claim Trumo was a great statesman? It's wonderful Obama was so beloved around the world, but what good did it do us? In my mind the only thing that counts is what sort of results they get for our country. Whether they're liked or not means absolutely nothing to me, and I really can't see where it ever helped Obama on any important issue.
I have a lot of respect for you for acknowledging the problem in the South China Sea. I sort of see Trump being in the same position with that as Obama was with Iraq. The horse has left the barn and there isn't much Trump can do unless he wants a major military conflict.
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Got us out of wars that 1) shouldn't have taken nearly that long and 2) may not have even needed us to start them. That was good.
I personally like that he has started de-escalating the standoff with Iraq. And while don bashed it while on the campaign trail, I'll give him credit for not killing it outright.
And it's nice for us to be in the Paris Climate accord- not because we will do it, but we would at least have been part of the conversation. That would have been good for businesses, but our great business leader didn't think so.
Yes, President Obama should not have said "red line" WRT Syria, but he did at least negotiate Syria getting rid of a big chunk of weapons.
The big areas that President Obama struggled was containing Russia (which don is trying to de-contain) and China. And I fear Russia more than China, given that at least China is trying to make a buck- I have no idea what vlad is trying to do by de-stabilizing the West.
Obviously, nobody wants to give credit for taking out OBL, nor the massive reduction in his organization. Mostly because ISIS took over that mantle.
But if Obama was bad, don is horrific, and quite terrifying in what he may do. I'm hoping that my fears will be similar to the gun fears that you made up with Obama, but we will see.
Got us out of wars that 1) shouldn't have taken nearly that long and 2) may not have even needed us to start them. That was good.
I personally like that he has started de-escalating the standoff with Iraq. And while don bashed it while on the campaign trail, I'll give him credit for not killing it outright.
And it's nice for us to be in the Paris Climate accord- not because we will do it, but we would at least have been part of the conversation. That would have been good for businesses, but our great business leader didn't think so.
Yes, President Obama should not have said "red line" WRT Syria, but he did at least negotiate Syria getting rid of a big chunk of weapons.
The big areas that President Obama struggled was containing Russia (which don is trying to de-contain) and China. And I fear Russia more than China, given that at least China is trying to make a buck- I have no idea what vlad is trying to do by de-stabilizing the West.
Obviously, nobody wants to give credit for taking out OBL, nor the massive reduction in his organization. Mostly because ISIS took over that mantle.
But if Obama was bad, don is horrific, and quite terrifying in what he may do. I'm hoping that my fears will be similar to the gun fears that you made up with Obama, but we will see.
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