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Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
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POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
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Kepler
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unofan
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The same way they can charge for permits for protests, limit your right to free speech (time, place, and manner), and so forth.
The bill of rights are not unlimited. Just as you don't get to yell at the top of your lungs are 3 am in a residential area, you also can have your right to bear arms subject to regulation.
The founding fathers were cool with this, by the way. Everyone forgets that guns were banned in many towns in the wild west.
I think you missed the point of the post. The first complaint was that you have to pay, what for some people is a decent amount of money, to exercise the right at even the most basic level. Maybe a fairer way would be you pay based on the amount of guns you own? The second complaint was that the gun laws are overly confusing. I'm not questioning the right or even the severity of the state's gun laws.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
In politics, it's a normal partisan statement. In any other field of human endeavor it's known as a whopper.
In politics, it's a normal partisan statement. In any other field of human endeavor it's known as a whopper.
leswp1
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With rights come responsibilities. It is not that onerous, if you chose to own things that deadly, to make sure you are on the right side of the law. It wasn't that long ago that most people would not have considered this something to have. Lots of marketing. Sort of like people needing 52 flavors of coffee.
I would be happy if we had the law they have in UK- you can have a gun but not at your house- stored at the gun club. Having dealt with some vets with PTSD I think this would be a pretty awesome option to have. When they aren't feeling safe they freq give their weapons to a friend to store until they are in a better frame of mind.
I know people keep harping on the Founding Fathers and the 'Right to bear Arms' but from what I understand the intent of the Amendment has nothing to do with having high capacity clips and other toys. If you look at the intent then I am pretty sure some of the FF would be having fits at being used as an excuse to own some of this stuff. The only equivalent I can think of would be someone owning cannon and keeping it at home for recreation. Wonder how many people did that or if they would have agreed. For the most part it seems they were pragmatists who thought common sense was somewhat understood when it came to interpretation. I can't see how they would go along with the way things have been perverted from the original intent.
With rights come responsibilities. It is not that onerous, if you chose to own things that deadly, to make sure you are on the right side of the law. It wasn't that long ago that most people would not have considered this something to have. Lots of marketing. Sort of like people needing 52 flavors of coffee.
I would be happy if we had the law they have in UK- you can have a gun but not at your house- stored at the gun club. Having dealt with some vets with PTSD I think this would be a pretty awesome option to have. When they aren't feeling safe they freq give their weapons to a friend to store until they are in a better frame of mind.
I know people keep harping on the Founding Fathers and the 'Right to bear Arms' but from what I understand the intent of the Amendment has nothing to do with having high capacity clips and other toys. If you look at the intent then I am pretty sure some of the FF would be having fits at being used as an excuse to own some of this stuff. The only equivalent I can think of would be someone owning cannon and keeping it at home for recreation. Wonder how many people did that or if they would have agreed. For the most part it seems they were pragmatists who thought common sense was somewhat understood when it came to interpretation. I can't see how they would go along with the way things have been perverted from the original intent.
unofan
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By questioning having to pay, you are inherently questioning the severity of the state's gun laws. I don't understand how you have that disconnect.
rufus
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I would assume it would fall under the "well regulated" part.
Just as we have the right to freedom of assembly, except not within a quarter mile of where a party convention is being held, or whatever.
But we know, you like to pick and choose the Constitutional rights that are inviolate, and are perfectly ok with the limits placed on others.
I would assume it would fall under the "well regulated" part.
Just as we have the right to freedom of assembly, except not within a quarter mile of where a party convention is being held, or whatever.
But we know, you like to pick and choose the Constitutional rights that are inviolate, and are perfectly ok with the limits placed on others.
leswp1
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You have to pay for a lot of things. Car licenses, Nursing licenses, DEA number to write prescriptions, permits to build, registering your car, the list is endless.
Or if we want to have fun- many States have enacted rules that require you pay to vote. You need to get a State approved ID to be able to vote. In many places people have to travel a goodly distance and provide very specific documents that they may also have to pay for and travel to get to be able to pay to get an ID. Of course if we could agree that State IDs could be free then I might be a bit more willing to have flexible thought on the other stuff.
You have to pay for a lot of things. Car licenses, Nursing licenses, DEA number to write prescriptions, permits to build, registering your car, the list is endless.
Or if we want to have fun- many States have enacted rules that require you pay to vote. You need to get a State approved ID to be able to vote. In many places people have to travel a goodly distance and provide very specific documents that they may also have to pay for and travel to get to be able to pay to get an ID. Of course if we could agree that State IDs could be free then I might be a bit more willing to have flexible thought on the other stuff.
unofan
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States have to offer a free ID if they require one to vote, that goes back to poll taxes being illegal. They don't have to make it convenient to get one, however. They just can't make it unduly burdensome.
None of the items in your first paragraph are part of the bill of rights. Paying for the gun permit wasn't really my complaint, and to be honest it's not that big of deal for me financially, but I am aware enough to realize there are people who are in tighter situations financially. My big complaint is there is a lot of complexity around the laws, especially if you are from out of state, and it would be easy to make a mistake and wind up in trouble.
Edit- thank you unofan, was the point I was trying to make.
unofan
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I hate that argument from your first sentence. It harkens back to why the bill of rights wasn't included initially. "If we include these rights, people will assume nothing else is covered."
That's been proven correct time and time again.
I don't completely disagree with you, but I still think items that were included in bill of rights carry more weight than things that weren't included.
ScoobyDoo
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
Which with the current Court is "Can a millionaire afford it? Yes? Approved."
Which with the current Court is "Can a millionaire afford it? Yes? Approved."
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News
Did you hear the bit on NPR about how far the Frenchies are going to wine and dine Don like a real big shot? I'm surprised more people haven't seemed to realize how far even insincere, snickering, reality show-style flattery will go with this guy.
Did you hear the bit on NPR about how far the Frenchies are going to wine and dine Don like a real big shot? I'm surprised more people haven't seemed to realize how far even insincere, snickering, reality show-style flattery will go with this guy.
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