POTUS 45.10 - Stage Two in Perpetuity

[WeAreNDHockey]

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People committing reprehensible and criminal acts don't often announce "hey, we're committing criminal and reprehensible acts over here, just so you know..."

Good post overall but this part stands out to me as it sums up what we need to be thinking about. You could stand in the middle of that busy street for a month and maybe not get hit by a speeding car. But why take the chance? People drive me nuts when they say the left is talking about the most extreme things that may never happen. There's a reason we're talking about it, and that's because it's a lot more likely to get hit by the speeding car when you are standing in the middle of the busy street. We're in the middle of an express highway folks. We need to get over to the shoulder or the median right now.

 

[Handyman]

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Her having zero choice is not my problem. Mrs. Obama had a choice in the matter. So did both Mrs. Bush and Hillary Clinton. Just because she married an ape who gives her NO SAY in her life choices is irrelevant. That was her decision.

But it wasnt her decision to be First Lady.

 

[Handyman]

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Looks like Franken and Klobuchar have discussed it (I'm reading between the lines) and Klobuchar is the one that's going to run.

http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-s-franken-won-t-run-for-president-in-2020/424089483/

Yuck...she wont make it out of the primaries. I like her but she is not a Presidential Candidate.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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But it wasnt her decision to be First Lady.

I don't care.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Yuck...she wont make it out of the primaries. I like her but she is not a Presidential Candidate.

And, the reason she is not a Presidential Candidate is exactly what's wrong with America right now.

 

[unofan]

It's too complicated to choose either/or. Depends on the issue, or the fiscal program/subject, current needs of society/country, all that. Also, sometimes one has nothing to do with the other. For example, the LGBT issues of late. There's nothing fiscal about that, really, and on that issue, I definitely lean to the left.

LGBT issues include anti discrimination ordinances (which need a govt enforcement agency and court funding), and mental health support (more funding).

A more obvious example is disability rights. If you believe in the goals of the ADA, then you should believe that the extra expenses to implement it, from curb cutouts to mandatory elevators, dual party relay services for telephones, Braille books in schools, special education classes, etc. are worthwhile.

If you only support the ADA in theory but not when it comes to spending the extra money to actually implement it, then do you really support it?

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

And, the reason she is not a Presidential Candidate is exactly what's wrong with America right now.

Eh, several of my friends have worked for her(including chiefs of staff) and none think she's built to succeed in this type of campaign. Not that she could not do the job.
I'd much prefer Franken.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Eh, several of my friends have worked for her(including chiefs of staff) and none think she's built to succeed in this type of campaign. Not that she could not do the job.
I'd much prefer Franken.

Interesting, but comparing resumes she is much more qualified for the job. But, point taken, qualifications mean nothing now.

 

[The Rube]

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But it's not. On nearly all issues, 2 conflicts with 3. The simplicity lies within the complexity.

If you identify as LGBT, you are significantly more likely to suffer from substance abuse, depression, and anxiety. You're also significantly more likely to be homeless. How can you be fiscally conservative and cut programs that address these issues and still call yourself progressive on LGBT issues?

Again, speaking in absolutes. I'm not STRICTLY fiscally conservative. I LEAN towards that way. For LGBT, I support funding those programs.

For something that is more conservative fiscally, I'm for a very healthy military budget.

It all depends on the issue, how (insert program) gets the money, how it spends the money, etc etc. There are always many factors going into these things. It's never black or white. There is always a lot of gray in there.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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For something that is more conservative fiscally, I'm for a very healthy military budget.

That's socially conservative, not fiscally conservative.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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That's socially conservative, not fiscally conservative.

Exactly.

 

[rufus]

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For something that is more conservative fiscally, I'm for a very healthy military budget.

How is that conservative? It's spending more money. Money we don't have to spend.

Just say you'd rather spend money on guns and tanks than feeding and sheltering poor people. Which is a fraction of the cost of your military budget.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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http://www.startribune.com/how-a-du...bi-s-handling-of-the-clinton-probe/424132973/

Basically what this lays out is that a Russian Document that the FBI has forced Comey's hand on the Clinton Email investigation. But, the document is likely complete BS.

And with the Trump campaign in bed with the Russians.................

The Trump campaign played Comey like a fiddle.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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People committing reprehensible and criminal acts don't often announce "hey, we're committing criminal and reprehensible acts over here, just so you know..."

And yet y'all think gun bans will keep the guns away from criminals...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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How is that conservative? It's spending more money. Money we don't have to spend.

It's sort of like how the word "liberal" comes from liberty, meaning freedom, when the party associated with such has been calling for quite the opposite. Just associate the word with something else and turn the vocabulary upside-down, like what they did with PATRIOT, or "sovereign".

 

[The Rube]

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That's socially conservative, not fiscally conservative.

Not necessarily, IMO. It's how you look at it. Money is going to be spent, and the right wants to spend it on military. The left doesn't (at least at the levels that the right-wingers want).

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I personally think we should be relentless in attacking the hypocrisy of the right, the unethical and illegal acts of the pres and his minions, and the disastrous effect his policies will have on those who are not financially secure. Leave the hand-shoving for others. Wailing benghazi-like about the FBI firings, the information disclosures, and and Russian bowljobs is fair play. A daily lie tracker presented in a form a sixth-grader could understand, would be good.

Exactly. For some libs, the only path forward they can see is to "become the very enemy you hate". It's like the shy nerd in high school who doesn't get girls and hates the jocks who do, then in college he discovers the "redpill"/Return of Kings/MRA baloney. So he bulks up, memorizes magic tricks, goes clubbing - basically does a full 180 into the faux-alpha a55hole universe. Only to discover after a few years, that his shtick can only pull the easy/dumb/gold-digging women that he doesn't want anything long-term from, so he bitterly declares that all women are whores.

Liberals don't want to be the "redpill" guy.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Not necessarily, IMO. It's how you look at it. Money is going to be spent, and the right wants to spend it on military. The left doesn't (at least at the levels that the right-wingers want).

No Brent, the right wants to spend it on military contractors. They don't give two s**** about the actual military.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Not necessarily, IMO. It's how you look at it. Money is going to be spent, and the right wants to spend it on military. The left doesn't (at least at the levels that the right-wingers want).

One thing to also consider with any investment: What sort of return are you getting? Are you preserving the country? Are you just turning some bum dependent on you for food, and the bum has no incentive to become productive?

 

[rufus]

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So the CBO has scored the new health plan, and 23 million people lose their coverage, while millions get less or no care at higher costs, all to save $12 billion a year for ten years.

Brent's desired increase in military spending costs half of that ten year total for just one year. But..................conservative.