POTUS 45.10 - Stage Two in Perpetuity

[Handyman]

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That was just foolishness by Gowdy. He knows d*mn well that Brennan can't talk about specifics in regards to classified information in a public hearing. He also knows d*mn well that the CIA deals in intelligence and not law enforcement. The entire line of questioning was asinine. I don't think Gowdy could prosecute me for stealing a TV if they caught me red-handed walking out of Best Buy.

Yeah I dont know what he was trying to get at. It seemed like he was trying to set up a basis infer that since Brennan wouldnt get specific maybe it didnt matter?

 

[rufus]

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Yeah I dont know what he was trying to get at. It seemed like he was trying to set up a basis infer that since Brennan wouldnt get specific maybe it didnt matter?

If he couldn't provide actual evidence, there's no "there" there. Just feelings or suspicion ain't gonna cut it.

 

[Rover]

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It brings a tear to my eye how much I influence the conversation out here! Well, not really but I digress. Anyway....

There is nothing wrong with a whispering campaign against Trump questioning his sanity or whether he can still raise the sails with his 3rd trophy wife, as long as its going on behind the scenes and not the primary reason for opposing the man. Where you cross the line is blasting Melania herself or Barron who's a child. That's what differentiates us from the knuckledraggers. Opposition to any and all lunatic proposals is now the cause of the Democratic party and everyone who did not vote for Trump. There are plenty of wonderful proposals I'm sure Dems could come up with but they're all irrelevant until at least Jan of 2021. Regaining the House and key governorships should unite the Joe Manchin wing with the Bernie Sanders wing through Nov of 2018.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Uh, huh. And if this were Michele Obama FOX News would be at Defcon 1.

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No ****, Sherlock. And if Bill were 1st Gent and off banging hookers in West Palm for six months he'd still make the cover of Time as man of the year and get a Nobel. So what?

That in itself isn't particularly new. Doesn't mean it's good for anybody who isn't a politician.

 

[unofan]

You are stating as facts the inter-workings of the Trump family dynamic based on what? Your family has tuna casserole every week. I know because I asked several MN families and they all do.

The definition of a job is a "paid position of employment". That is the simple fact I refer to and the one which you choose to twist into being somehow demeaning to women. You appear to me to be claiming an obligatory arrangement (which a job comes with) simply as a result of one's spouse being elected to office, where as I believe none exists. That is the point.

The Presidency isn't just any elected office. No one gives a Fark about politician's wives except for FLOTUS, which while unpaid still has an office and paid staffers to attend to her programs and priorities.

Being FLOTUS is a job.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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The Presidency isn't just any elected office. No one gives a Fark about politician's wives except for FLOTUS, which while unpaid still has an office and paid staffers to attend to her programs and priorities.

Being FLOTUS is a job.

FLOTUS is a ceremonial role. Point to where it is codified in any document. Where it says "these are the roles and responsibilities.". You can't because there isn't one. It doesn't exist. Providing an office and staff (which is in charge of White House social events among other things) doesn't set up any sort of obligation to live in the White House or do any specific thing at all. We know this in part because Hilary lived in New York for the last year of Bill's term. I remember well how upsetting that was to Democrats then too.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Trump budget hard on 'forgotten' rural American supporters

At some point you figure people will learn to quit voting against their own self interests, right? I'm not talking about the folks out there who are so busy trying to work enough jobs to scrounge up enough to eat that they don't even have time to vote (although that is an excuse I'm tired of hearing too, I'd go to any lengths to vote, would even do some things that are decidedly un-Chrsitian if someone tried to prevent me from voting), I'm talking about the actual poor people who managed to get out and vote for trump (and a generation of republicans before that). They had the same opportunity to see what we all saw with trump and chose to cast that ballot as they did. But really, I am not going to wasted too much time feeling sorry for people who voted for the guy and are going to suffer when a program they rely on gets slashed. I feel for their kids maybe, but those kids will just grow up (maybe) to ignore what's right in front of them and vote for the next trump.

 

[Kepler]

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You misspelled sneering and this is the internet so clearly my point stands. Game, set, match!

That's perfect.

 

[E.J. Smith]

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Have you been called a racist yet? Usually that's the other line...

If the shoe fits...




(And it does. Misogyny, racism, anti-liberal/progressive/intellectual, etc. you clearly have a deep seated fear of the "other". Why don't you just say that? Why don't you try growing a set and owning your true beliefs? Instead of this indirect, bat scchitt crazy, passive aggressive, completely inane conspiracy theory stuff you hide behind as some sort of reason/evidence/proof because you're afraid to just own up to how you really feel?

 

[Kepler]

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But the Left always loses when it pushes out the people who they deem as "undesirable" and that is what this type of discourse does. It isnt "Us vs. The Trumpers" where everyone is a Trumper who is Right of Clinton. The Left can't and wont win that war and you know it.

It's Politics 101 to try to broaden your appeal and try to shrink your opponent's appeal. That's why Republicans trot out a token woman or Latino when their policies are attacking both groups, and wail that the Democrats, whose policies reduce inequality and help the little guy get a fair shake, are "elites."

 

[SJHovey]

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Here's the thing- many of the people claim to be non-partisan and not defending don.

Or that they didn't vote for don.

So if they are not Republicans, and pretend to be independent, than, yes, I DO expect them to be even handed.

What we are finding out that that they are not. They are as much conservative as I am liberal. It would be nice for them to step up to that, but so many seem embarrassed to support don at this point.

It's why I asked brent to be honest a few threads ago, and it got caught up into a **** storm.

If you are "not defending" the guy- stop making excuses. If you are, stand up for yourself, and be proud to be a don supporter. Take the abuse that you deserve.
Be a partisan hack.

But here's your problem. Too many posters just want to label people and put them into predefined boxes they've established in their own mind. I don't think it's really possible to do that.

I think it is possible to be a "Republican" and not have voted for or support Trump. I think it's possible to be conservative and not have voted for or support Trump. I think it's possible for people to have simply disliked HRC and not have voted for or support Trump.

I see very few people here claiming to be "independent," whatever that means.

Am I a Republican? I'm not sure. How do I know? I've never registered as a "Republican" anywhere, but that's more a creature of living in states where you don't have to register by party affiliation. I've never attended a party meeting or caucus or anything of that nature. I've never given money to a political party or candidate.

I certainly lean more conservative in many of my beliefs than many other posters here, but candidly my opinions on gay marriage, abortion, immigration and a few other things would probably operate to ban me for life from any sort of "Republican" platform committee, should I choose to try to involve myself.

Just a personal observation, and not intended as an attack on you or any other poster. I don't think posters on this site are as good as they think they are at correctly deciphering what other posters believe, who they may or may not support, and certainly who they may have voted for.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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FLOTUS is a ceremonial role. Point to where it is codified in any document. Where it says "these are the roles and responsibilities.". You can't because there isn't one. It doesn't exist. Providing an office and staff (which is in charge of White House social events among other things) doesn't set up any sort of obligation to live in the White House or do any specific thing at all. We know this in part because Hilary lived in New York for the last year of Bill's term. I remember well how upsetting that was to Democrats then too.

That doesn't change anything that's been stated. It's work. It's a job. Choosing not to do the work is a choice anyone can make but that doesn't release you from being judged on the "work" you do.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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And that is fine, I totally agree with that. (been saying it since the day after the Election) Ignore the people who wont vote your way...but attacking them only makes you look worse.

Not sure about that anymore. The attack dogs are always out on the other side and the other side keeps winning. Wins, wins, wins, everywhere.

 

[Kepler]

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That doesn't change anything that's been stated. It's work. It's a job. Choosing not to do the work is a choice anyone can make but that doesn't release you from being judged on the "work" you do.

FWIW, I disagree with this strongly. FLOTUS is a public figure but it's not a job. It's more of a curse, like being a British royal.

Now, as jobs go, Melania is clearly just another employee of Trump -- she gave him sex (shiver) and a kid in exchange for money and fame. Good god, the woman certainly earned her compensation -- talk about awful work. From her public statements she is as clearly a boob and an insincere shill. It sucks that she's representing our country just as it sucks that he is.

But it's not her fault they actually won. That's on the morons who voted for him. This was supposed to be a garden variety brand-building con, like a celebutante run in with the law when their Q score has dipped too low. I wish she's go off to Slovenia and marry the next paycheck, but why torment us all by bringing her up? Him we can't put on Ignore -- he's an existential threat. She's just a paparazzi fungus that got out of control. We can choose to avert our eyes.

 

[Rover]

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Nah, you have to start pointing out hypocrisy and scum sucking out of the right. To not do so is to bring a bouquet of flowers to a gunfight. It makes no sense. Every Republican needs to be exposed and called out. What is gained by pretending Paul Ryan has anything worthwhile to add to the public discourse? Why should we respect the political views of Lap Dog McCain (which is separate from his heroic war service)? Its time to stop coddling these idiots AND the people who vote for them.

I feel for people who live in places like Mississippi or Kansas, where you're outnumbered by idiots. However, its in the power of the left of center to put themselves in office in most of the country. Too many of these people sit elections out. They need to stop doing that or Trump won't be the last of the loony right to be elected.

 

[Handyman]

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It's Politics 101 to try to broaden your appeal and try to shrink your opponent's appeal. That's why Republicans trot out a token woman or Latino when their policies are attacking both groups, and wail that the Democrats, whose policies reduce inequality and help the little guy get a fair shake, are "elites."

Right...and it is that reason why Clinton and her cronies were never trusted by most and why the Dems always get saddled with the "elitist" tag. People hate being told they are not part of the group or that they are equal to the people they feel shouldnt be part of the group. It is basic human nature which the GOP gets and the Dems ignore.

We saw it in the Health Care debate...the Dems of course hated the plan but outside of the Freedumb Caucus and their disciples no one else did. The Tuesday Group (the so called moderates) are in the middle of a Civil War over it and the New Jersey Clown stepped down because of it. Why is this happening...because Reps that actually think know that Poor White People may hate that Poor Blacks get ObamaCare and want THAT destroyed but they dont want their health care destroyed. Handouts are bad unless your hand is the one needing filling.

And see the Left plays up the idea that we are all better if even the worst of us are doing well. (a belief that I agree with) The problem there is a lot of people who dont care or will never believe that for various reasons. The GOP plays the people against each other and makes it seem like the Dems are out to take from one side to give to the other and that side is YOU! (and by you I mean whoever they are talking to that day) They are pointing a gun with 6 bullets at a crowd of 20 and making sure each person fears one bullet is coming their way knowing personal fear trumps logic in the moment. And it works, all the time and the Dems feed it every time they try and "exit poll" their way through the problem.

 

[Handyman]

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Nah, you have to start pointing out hypocrisy and scum sucking out of the right. To not do so is to bring a bouquet of flowers to a gunfight. It makes no sense. Every Republican needs to be exposed and called out. What is gained by pretending Paul Ryan has anything worthwhile to add to the public discourse? Why should we respect the political views of Lap Dog McCain (which is separate from his heroic war service)? Its time to stop coddling these idiots AND the people who vote for them.

I feel for people who live in places like Mississippi or Kansas, where you're outnumbered by idiots. However, its in the power of the left of center to put themselves in office in most of the country. Too many of these people sit elections out. They need to stop doing that or Trump won't be the last of the loony right to be elected.

There is a difference between going after the hypocrites (which I of course agree with) in office or the nimrods who voted for them but sometimes you need to pick your battles.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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FWIW, I disagree with this strongly. FLOTUS is a public figure but it's not a job. It's more of a curse, like being a British royal.

It should be a paid position is another discussion. That being said never having to worry about finances again is such a curse. Boy, what a curse. A curse I just couldn't live with.

 

[The Rube]

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Here's the thing- many of the people claim to be non-partisan and not defending don.

Or that they didn't vote for don.

So if they are not Republicans, and pretend to be independent, than, yes, I DO expect them to be even handed.

What we are finding out that that they are not. They are as much conservative as I am liberal. It would be nice for them to step up to that, but so many seem embarrassed to support don at this point.

It's why I asked brent to be honest a few threads ago, and it got caught up into a **** storm.

If you are "not defending" the guy- stop making excuses. If you are, stand up for yourself, and be proud to be a don supporter. Take the abuse that you deserve.
Be a partisan hack.

I have been honest. Let me repeat what I've said before:
1. Trump needs to be impeached/removed from office.
2. I lean to the right, fiscally, in general.
3. I lean to the left on social issues, in general.

Just because I don't condemn Trump every chance there is, doesn't mean I'm defending him. Otherwise the opposite would be true, also. If I'm not defending him, does that mean I'm condemning him? No.

 

[Kepler]

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The GOP plays the people against each other and makes it seem like the Dems are out to take from one side to give to the other and that side is YOU! (and by you I mean whoever they are talking to that day) They are pointing a gun with 6 bullets at a crowd of 20 and making sure each person fears one bullet is coming their way knowing personal fear trumps logic in the moment.

That is how right wing factions operate. The political right as it is actually practiced (in contrast with ideological conservatism which is typically just window dressing) amounts to picking out a few Other targets and then riling up the peasants with pitchforks. Appeal to fear and primal urges to violence. Tap the ape mind. Twas ever thus from Louis Napolean to Mussolini to Pinochet to Milošević. Trump is just the next demagogue to stir the hatred pot for his own gain.