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POTUS 45.08: Suckers

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Jimjamesak said:
but I want to hear exactly why he thinks the two sides are equivalent.
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Ok, but he's been doing it since the fall before the election and refused to explain it in any other context then "it's not fair to be one sided. I'm Switzerland, look at me". So, good luck.
 
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alfablue said:
No, to some of us who benefit via the EPA, that harms us rather greatly. By an infinite amount.

Why is it so hard to see so many people have highly skilled and high paying jobs because of the EPA?

(BTW, he's gutted nothing, so far, just reviewing what was done. so that claim is not true at this point)
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Well yes, his 40% cut in finding is merely a proposal right now, but he's already rolled back some EPA regulations via executive order, now prohibits the EPA from talking about climate change, rescinded a moratorium of mining for coal on federal lands, among other this. He hasn't killed the EPA yet, but if he does get his 40% cut it will devastating to our planet.
 
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BassAle said:
Well yes, his 40% cut in finding is merely a proposal right now, but he's already rolled back some EPA regulations via executive order, now prohibits the EPA from talking about climate change, rescinded a moratorium of mining for coal on federal lands, among other this. He hasn't killed the EPA yet, but if he does get his 40% cut it will devastating to our planet.
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Even under Obama Flint had to sue to get their pipes replaced. That's an indication the EPA wasn't doing enough, or wasn't keeping their eye on the ball. I'm sure, now with the cuts they will be more focused.

http://www.ecowatch.com/michael-moo...u-about-the-flint-water-trage-1882162388.html

When Gov. Snyder took office in 2011, one of the first things he did was to get a multi-billion dollar tax break passed by the Republican legislature for the wealthy and for corporations. But with less tax revenues, that meant he had to start cutting costs. So, many things—schools, pensions, welfare, safe drinking water—were slashed. Then he invoked an executive privilege to take over cities (all of them majority black) by firing the mayors and city councils whom the local people had elected, and installing his cronies to act as “dictators" over these cities. Their mission? Cut services to save money so he could give the rich even more breaks. That's where the idea of switching Flint to river water came from. To save $15 million! It was easy. Suspend democracy. Cut taxes for the rich. Make the poor drink toxic river water. And everybody's happy.
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As long as that is the focus we're doomed. Doomed. And that focus is in control everywhere.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I was mainly referring to voters. And the underlined strengthens my view on it.
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Give me a break, Mr. False Equivalency.

The fact that you go out of your way to stress that you don't like Trump, but then bend over backwards to find no differences between him and the opposition strengthens my initial statement. A moderate wouldn't be doing that.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Sorry, but Susan Sarandon didn't vote for Trump and I don't feel any sympathy for her either.
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Bingo! Too much CYA with the "I didn't vote for him" crap. Did you vote FOR the person with the best chance to defeat him? If not, then too bad if you're horrified with what Trump is doing. You let it happen.
 
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BassAle said:
Well yes, his 40% cut in finding is merely a proposal right now, but he's already rolled back some EPA regulations via executive order, now prohibits the EPA from talking about climate change, rescinded a moratorium of mining for coal on federal lands, among other this. He hasn't killed the EPA yet, but if he does get his 40% cut it will devastating to our planet.
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Yea, I get that- but given the people who plan on suing over his actions, he's got a long way to go.

I also don't see coal mining picking up just because of an order- it would have to pick up due to demand. That's like the reply that most drones say that lower taxes are job makers- which they are not. Demand for a product is a job maker. Lowering taxes just allows for more money to be made.

(BTW, sorry for not reading your original message- I got it very wrong).
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Ok, but he's been doing it since the fall before the election and refused to explain it in any other context then "it's not fair to be one sided. I'm Switzerland, look at me". So, good luck.
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When one side is a rather bland, and beholden to Wall Street "more of the same" and the other is an egotistical, rampaging lunatic, then yeah, it is ok to be one-sided.
 
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jerphisch said:
Anyone that can make it to the end of that deserves a prize. I think I made it about 1/3 through yesterday before I ran out of gas. Reading shouldn't be that exhausting.
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I'm really glad you said this because I felt guilty; I pegged out at about 2/3. It's a combination of banality, childish narcissism, and gibberish.
 
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Rover said:
Bingo! Too much CYA with the "I didn't vote for him" crap. Did you vote FOR the person with the best chance to defeat him? If not, then too bad if you're horrified with what Trump is doing. You let it happen.
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The Beeb had a couple of French voters on today. I gather neither backed a candidate who advanced to the final. One basically said "I'm voting against Le Pen because she's awful." The other, who was farther left, said "I'm not voting at all. Le Pen is worse but I can't vote for somebody I don't agree with at all."

So this isn't just an American thing, and I don't think it's just a left thing either. There are voters who are strategic and voters who need to be in love. We're not gonna change that, so we need to concentrate on the former.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Ok, but he's been doing it since the fall before the election and refused to explain it in any other context then "it's not fair to be one sided. I'm Switzerland, look at me". So, good luck.
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It's Brent so I'm willing to listen, most others I'd be in the same boat.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...f7ca?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016§ion=politics

This article boils it down well.
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I know we're not supposed to diagnose the mental state or health of public officials based on their public actions, but anyone who doesn't think Trump is mentally ill -- and severely afflicted by the way, not just some mild depression -- is woefully naive. Reading his responses to what were pretty even handed questions about things he should have been readily able to answer in completely coherent terms was frightening. Every answer was either utter gibberish, or was utterly disagreeable.

People who voted for him are suckers and rubes the likes of which con-men for all of history have been preying on. Yet polls are showing that virtually 100% of those who voted for him in November are not sorry for their votes and would vote for him again, and nearly everyone who voted for him is giving him high marks on his presidency so far.

At this point I don't care if a Trump voter suffers immeasurable harm. People need to learn hard lessons. But for all of us who voted for the much better alternative in Clinton, those are the people I will worry about.
 
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