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Polls 2021-2022

TitleIXHockey said:
Idk what to make of Minnesota. They got outshot what 41-22 and 33-25? Think it's more big game choking from Wisco / filing it under "sometimes you just lose to Bemidji".
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We all will know Watts to think after this weekend in regards to MN. Or we will just be more confused.
 
I don't know about the talent angle being in Wisconsin favor as both teams have that in spades, but they do have more team speed at forward than Minnesota. Wisconsin has some issues on the back end and if Blair isn't on her game that can be exploited which Minnesota has done this year better than anyone else.

Minnesota just has too many losses to be considered #1 and this weekend may add 1 or 2 more losses to their total. I think the USA poll has them correctly ranked at #4.
 
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The PWR matters more than the number of losses and that correlates to a higher ranking IMO. MN, Wisconsin, OSU, Duluth… they have tens of thousands of students, recruit amazing talent, and play each other so often that their competitiveness is unparalleled. The ECAC does not get this same opportunity and the schools are a fraction of the enrollment. Colgate is only 2,800+. To be on par with these monstrous schools with thousands of fans is a daunting task.
 
TchrBill said:
The PWR matters more than the number of losses and that correlates to a higher ranking IMO. MN, Wisconsin, OSU, Duluth… they have tens of thousands of students, recruit amazing talent, and play each other so often that their competitiveness is unparalleled. The ECAC does not get this same opportunity and the schools are a fraction of the enrollment. Colgate is only 2,800+. To be on par with these monstrous schools with thousands of fans is a daunting task.
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I'm sorry, but "poor little Harvard and Yale"?!?

Harvard has 20K students, Yale 12K, Cornell 25K. And pull up a list of 'schools in the US by endowment'. It reads (with exceptions) like the ECAC standings.
 
Updated Poll [TABLE="cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD](9)[/TD]
[TD]20-7-1[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Ohio State[/TD]
[TD](3)[/TD]
[TD]19-5-0[/TD]
[TD]136[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Northeastern[/TD]
[TD](2)[/TD]
[TD]21-3-1[/TD]
[TD]118[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Wisconsin[/TD]
[TD](1)[/TD]
[TD]19-3-4[/TD]
[TD]115[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota Duluth[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]16-8-0[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Harvard[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]15-5-0[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Colgate[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]20-5-1[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Quinnipiac[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]18-5-3[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Yale[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]16-5-1[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Connecticut[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]20-6-2[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]NR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Vermont[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]17-9-2[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]NR[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Others receiving votes: Clarkson 4
 
HockeyGuy362 said:
Updated Poll [TABLE="cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD](9)[/TD]
[TD]20-7-1[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Ohio State[/TD]
[TD](3)[/TD]
[TD]19-5-0[/TD]
[TD]136[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Northeastern[/TD]
[TD](2)[/TD]
[TD]21-3-1[/TD]
[TD]118[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Wisconsin[/TD]
[TD](1)[/TD]
[TD]19-3-4[/TD]
[TD]115[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota Duluth[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]16-8-0[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Harvard[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]15-5-0[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Colgate[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]20-5-1[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Quinnipiac[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]18-5-3[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Yale[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]16-5-1[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Connecticut[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]20-6-2[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]NR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Vermont[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]17-9-2[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]NR[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Others receiving votes: Clarkson 4
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What would happen if UMD gets one at Wisco and Northeastern loses another game and UMD slips into 4th on the pairwise. Would the powers allow all four regionals to be hosted by WCHA teams?
 
HockeyGuy362 said:
What would happen if UMD gets one at Wisco and Northeastern loses another game and UMD slips into 4th on the pairwise. Would the powers allow all four regionals to be hosted by WCHA teams?
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I doubt that math will allow it. Wisconsin still has four games remaining against the top 4 teams (OSU and UMD). Then when the WCHA tourney starts, at least three of the four have to lose. Somebody in the East will win and keep winning, so four WCHA teams can't stay ahead of all of them.
 
ARM said:
I doubt that math will allow it. Wisconsin still has four games remaining against the top 4 teams (OSU and UMD). Then when the WCHA tourney starts, at least three of the four have to lose. Somebody in the East will win and keep winning, so four WCHA teams can't stay ahead of all of them.
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Difficult, unlikely, but not impossible. If an eastern team that #5 or#6 in the Pairwise wins their tournament, they'd move up, as you say. But if the #5 and #6 teams get beat by the #10 and #11 teams, for example, it could happen. There's a pretty big gap in the RPIs between #9 and #10 right now; if they do the winning at the end, it could be enough to hold the others out of the top 4 while not being enough to pull themselves that far up.
 
What would happen if 6-10 had to play one round in WCHA? Other teams have beaten #1 and didn't get a crack in top ten. The effort to try and express parody amongst leagues is lame.
 
Steamboat said:
Missed the dictionary.
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The poster changes a couple of letters and it's all good.

"What would happen if 6-10 had to play one round in WCHA? Other teams have beaten #1 and didn't get a crack in top ten. The effort to try and express parity amongst leagues is lame."
 
WCHA out of conference winning % this season I believe is 85%
Out of conference for the bottom 4 teams : 81%
winning percentage of top other 10 teams against top 10 WCHA teams is 21%
 
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ARM said:
I doubt that math will allow it. Wisconsin still has four games remaining against the top 4 teams (OSU and UMD). Then when the WCHA tourney starts, at least three of the four have to lose. Somebody in the East will win and keep winning, so four WCHA teams can't stay ahead of all of them.
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Yeah, normally I would think it just isn't possible, but Northeastern's SOS is so terrible right now that any more losses they'd take would really be killer. Losses among the top four won't do nearly as much damage. It would be a surprise but I could see it happening where UMD gets into the top four. In fact in a vacuum, NU losing to BC today alone would be enough to drop the Huskies down to 6th and jump UMD to 4th:


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On top of that, Harvard is going to have a really difficult time moving up because they are locked into losing the UMD/HU Pairwise comparison thanks to their 0-2-0 H2H record. That's why you see UMD up in 4th despite the lower RPI. One or two UMD upsets and they are going to be sitting pretty.
 
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FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Northeastern, without #11, looks rather pedestrian.
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I don't know enough about their usual line combinations to say how much of a trickle-down effect there is from her being out, but I would imagine that they will adjust somewhat by the end of her absence. Last night, they either needed to NOT be trailing after a period where they outshot BC by 24-5, or they needed Frankel to stop a shot from the blue line 25 seconds after they had tied it up. Barring those, they looked a little like UW buzzing around an opponent while somehow consistently failing to score. Obviously, the opponent was considerably better than what managed to thwart Wisconsin for much of the extended weekend.
 
ARM said:
I don't know enough about their usual line combinations to say how much of a trickle-down effect there is from her being out, but I would imagine that they will adjust somewhat by the end of her absence. Last night, they either needed to NOT be trailing after a period where they outshot BC by 24-5, or they needed Frankel to stop a shot from the blue line 25 seconds after they had tied it up. Barring those, they looked a little like UW buzzing around an opponent while somehow consistently failing to score. Obviously, the opponent was considerably better than what managed to thwart Wisconsin for much of the extended weekend.
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That 2 bc goal was weak. Surprisingly, bc did play pretty good defense (other than the breakdown on Northeastern's goal) and got in the way of quite a few of Northeastern's shot attempts. bc's penalty kill when they were down two players was key for them and they did a good job on that. As you mentioned though, Hockey East's officiating really took over in the third period and kinda mucked up what was a pretty good game.
 
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