Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

[llama]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

I've seen Hobart a handful of times, Elmira a couple, and Utica once. Have yet to see Naz, Neumann and Manhattanville live in person yet. Not sold on any of them as a "contender". Could they? Sure. Anyone can get hot, but after last weekend the whole league became eligible for a Pool C bid. Pool C for C-You next year. I would put most of the league in the "don't want to see come NCAA time" along with several others from different leagues.

As far as top 10, I don't think there are clear "Top 10" teams....but....
1a. Oswego is playing great, now. Can they continue or are they peaking at the wrong time? Playing much better as a team, and the offense is clicking. Unless Z-Man goes down with an injury or goes into a funk they will be tough. The loss to SNHU? Big deal. If they were out played by them I'd be worried. **** happens, goalies get hot.
1b. Norwich. If the good Norwich shows up, they are difficult to beat. Plain and simple. Their last 4 games, 4-0, 21gf-3ga, granted against mediocre at best teams.

While I have these at 1a 1b, I think anyone in the top 10 can beat these two teams on any given night and it NOT be considered a "major" upset.

2a. Trinity. Potential What Middlebury/Williams team will show up this weekend? Then the Maine pair at home the following. I don't want to put them here from their one game I saw them play against Hobart they were VERY unimpressive. But their stats are what they are, and that's what matters come selection time.
2b. Babson. Where has Murray gone? 2-4-2 in their last 8 vs DIII teams. 8 goals in their first 11 games, 26 in the last 10. Houston we have a problem. Not sure I really want them this high, but when Murray and the Babson defense is playing well, they win.
2c. Plattsburgh. I realize hockey is a team sport. I wont even speak about the Geneseo game. It's a loss, but not a deserving loss. 2nd, while I am not a Brady Rouleau "hater", Plattsburgh has 5 loses, all credited to Brady Rouleau record. I don't doubt his talent, but he went through a stretch where even a Tom Brady deflated football could have found the back of the net. Until Finney is healthy (if) Plattsburgh will go from the 1st tier group (OSU, NOR) to the 2nd tier group.
2d. Amherst. A hiccup game against Conn College and Amherst is 7-1-2 in the last 10 games. Don't sleep on Amherst.

3. UMass-Boston. Not impressed. Pathetic NC schedule. Struggling beating teams they shouldn't have an issue beating. Norwich and Oswego on average bury those said teams. UMB is needing come from behinds and OT's on a regular basis. (and no I'm not going with the "the ECAC East is a deep league", yea and passing the ball on the 1 yard line with Lynch in the backfield was the right decision)
3. Williams. They beat Plattsburgh, congrats. A game in which (as was previously mentioned) they were outshot 3:1. Just because you win, doesn't mean you're a great/better team. I was very unimpressed with Williams, they just finished on a goalie who was auditioning for the new Marvel Super Here, the Invincible Man..
3. Nichols. If this team wins the Northeast, I don't want to see them. Probably not a contender, but could be a spoiler for sure.
3. Geneseo. Obviously the SUNYAC auto bid is the only chance they have at getting in, but for that reason (and why I don't have any ECAC West teams in) they are still there. WHEN the Geneseo varsity teams shows up, they can compete and win (at Oswego, at Plattsburgh, Ties at Adrian), but when the JV team steps on the ice (swept by Potsdam, loss to Cortland) you get the .500 Geneseo team. Probably one of the more dangerous .500ish teams left out there

So there...there are 10 teams....

As far as Pool C goes. Unless Adrian gets upset in the tourney (sorry SNC, No Jake No Date) its a 1 bid league (baring Lake Forrest doesn't sweep Adrian which would be close to putting Adrian out of Pool C contention). The WIAC will get a Pool B, but does UWSP or UWRF Thunder Chickens going to get a pool C with at least 1 more loss to their resume on top of loses come post season? Not a guarantee in my mind. Oswego, Norwich are probably the only 2 who are a lock right now. SNC is close if they can go at least 4-1...but that's a huge hit....

While I think Platty is a strong team, I have to wonder if you placing them so high has more to do with how good you think they should be vs their resume to date. Platty is 14-5-1 and was impressive in their win against Norwich. They've done an excellent job this year of beating teams they are "supposed" to beat. In fact, they are 10-1 against teams that currently have a losing record. Problem is, they are 4-4-1 against teams that currently have a winning record....and two of those four wins are against Brockport. Not so sure that looks like a team that belongs in the same conversation as Trinity, Babson and Amherst?

 

[spwood]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

While I think Platty is a strong team, I have to wonder if you placing them so high has more to do with how good you think they should be vs their resume to date. Platty is 14-5-1 and was impressive in their win against Norwich. They've done an excellent job this year of beating teams they are "supposed" to beat. In fact, they are 10-1 against teams that currently have a losing record. Problem is, they are 4-4-1 against teams that currently have a winning record....and two of those four wins are against Brockport. Not so sure that looks like a team that belongs in the same conversation as Trinity, Babson and Amherst?

Actually, that's exactly where I think they belong. Probably at the bottom of group 2, but they're definitely better than the teams in group 3 (which looks odd since they are 1-2 against those teams, but the two losses were very odd circumstances). I say, though, if Finney doesn't come back healthy, they are the lowest group 2/highest group 3 team.

 

[llama]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

Actually, that's exactly where I think they belong. Probably at the bottom of group 2, but they're definitely better than the teams in group 3 (which looks odd since they are 1-2 against those teams, but the two losses were very odd circumstances). I say, though, if Finney doesn't come back healthy, they are the lowest group 2/highest group 3 team.

I don't doubt that you think they belong there.

In his defense, someone asked Remy what he thought...so perhaps his assessment is based on his perspective and NOT on current resume (or "facts"). I also have to say I'd have Hobart in the third tier instead of Geneseo. But maybe that is just my bias.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

While I think Platty is a strong team, I have to wonder if you placing them so high has more to do with how good you think they should be vs their resume to date. Platty is 14-5-1 and was impressive in their win against Norwich. They've done an excellent job this year of beating teams they are "supposed" to beat. In fact, they are 10-1 against teams that currently have a losing record. Problem is, they are 4-4-1 against teams that currently have a winning record....and two of those four wins are against Brockport. Not so sure that looks like a team that belongs in the same conversation as Trinity, Babson and Amherst?

No, just as I would drop St.Norbert down right now to a 2nd tier team out West. When a team loses an All-American type goaltender (let alone Player of the Year candidate in SNC terms) you're record can be skewed. In case you missed it, which by your comments you probably did, Plattsburgh's #1 goaltender Spencer Finney is out with an injury. He is also undefeated and posting a 1.79GAA and a .936% overall at 8-0-1.
Yes Plattsburgh has 5 loses, guess who was NOT in net?

So because
Trinity (I assume because they beat your ECAC West teams are just amazing eventho they were greatly outplayed and have what big win on their resume?)
Babson (has beat who? oh must be your ECAC West teams again)
Amherst (0-0 tie with Plattsburgh....oh yea but beat your ECAC West teams so they must be amazing too)
Plattsburgh is no where near in the class of those three.

So you want to put Plattsburgh in a group that they dominated a team up and down the ice in Williams, a UMB team who spends their NC schedule playing DIII JV teams, and a Geneseo team who (as was stated by several people) is hard to beat when you're playing a team 6x5 when you include rabbit ears.

Having said all that, IF Finney can not come back Plattsburgh will sink to a 2rd tier team if not 3rd tier team.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

I don't doubt that you think they belong there.

In his defense, someone asked Remy what he thought...so perhaps his assessment is based on his perspective and NOT on current resume (or "facts"). I also have to say I'd have Hobart in the third tier instead of Geneseo. But maybe that is just my bias.

Instead of getting your panties in a bunch try reading....

3. Geneseo. Obviously the SUNYAC auto bid is the only chance they have at getting in, but for that reason (and why I don't have any ECAC West teams in) they are still there.

Id gladly put Hobart in that 2nd tier group, however thanks to the powers that be, their shot at making it into the dance is gone....along with the other ECAC West teams. You would have a lot of ECAC West teams in the 2nd and 3rd tier teams IF they were able to make the dance, they're not. As I said a few weeks ago, had Hobart run the table maybe...they haven't.

 

[llama]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

No, just as I would drop St.Norbert down right now to a 2nd tier team out West. When a team loses an All-American type goaltender (let alone Player of the Year candidate in SNC terms) you're record can be skewed. In case you missed it, which by your comments you probably did, Plattsburgh's #1 goaltender Spencer Finney is out with an injury. He is also undefeated and posting a 1.79GAA and a .936% overall at 8-0-1.
Yes Plattsburgh has 5 loses, guess who was NOT in net?

So because
Trinity (I assume because they beat your ECAC West teams are just amazing eventho they were greatly outplayed and have what big win on their resume?)
Babson (has beat who? oh must be your ECAC West teams again)
Amherst (0-0 tie with Plattsburgh....oh yea but beat your ECAC West teams so they must be amazing too)
Plattsburgh is no where near in the class of those three.

So you want to put Plattsburgh in a group that they dominated a team up and down the ice in Williams, a UMB team who spends their NC schedule playing DIII JV teams, and a Geneseo team who (as was stated by several people) is hard to beat when you're playing a team 6x5 when you include rabbit ears.

Having said all that, IF Finney can not come back Plattsburgh will sink to a 2rd tier team if not 3rd tier team.

Uh oh...someone didn't agree with you. Better.....ATTACK!

Seriously, read my post. I get that Platty has some injuries - but their record is what it is. My point was your placement of Platty was based on how good you think they are...not on their resume. No idea where your rant on "my" ECAC-W teams comes in. The "other" three teams in your tier 2 group all have winning records against teams with winning records (after a quick glance I believe Trinity is 8-3, Babson is 6-3 and Amherst is 5-3-2)...and the teams with winning records that they have beat are mostly better than Brockport.

 

[llama]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

Instead of getting your panties in a bunch try reading....

3. Geneseo. Obviously the SUNYAC auto bid is the only chance they have at getting in, but for that reason (and why I don't have any ECAC West teams in) they are still there.

Id gladly put Hobart in that 2nd tier group, however thanks to the powers that be, their shot at making it into the dance is gone....along with the other ECAC West teams. You would have a lot of ECAC West teams in the 2nd and 3rd tier teams IF they were able to make the dance, they're not. As I said a few weeks ago, had Hobart run the table maybe...they haven't.

Take a few deep breaths and calm down....A wink and a smiley face don't exactly equate with someone who has their "panties in a bunch".

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Uh oh...someone didn't agree with you. Better.....ATTACK!

Seriously, read my post. I get that Platty has some injuries - but their record is what it is. My point was your placement of Platty was based on how good you think they are...not on their resume. No idea where your rant on "my" ECAC-W teams comes in. The "other" three teams in your tier 2 group all have winning records against teams with winning records (after a quick glance I believe Trinity is 8-3, Babson is 6-3 and Amherst is 5-3-2)...and the teams with winning records that they have beat are mostly better than Brockport.

So tell me Einstein where should Platty be? Where are your ranking ?

 

[llama]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

So tell me Einstein where should Platty be? Where are your ranking ?

You can't help but being abrasive and confrontational, can you? Since you asked, here is my OPINION...I don't think we are that far apart.

Norwich
Trinity
Oswego
Amherst
Babson
Williams
Plattsburgh
UM Boston
Hobart
Nichols/Naz (toss up)

 

[Cards81]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

Does anyone remember the last successful penalty shot the Cards had before Michael Radisa's last night ?? I can't recall. Shootouts don't count !

 

[norm1909]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

Cardinals score early, shut out Bengals - {Article courtesy of the Plattsburgh Press-Republican 2/7/2015}

Plattsburgh State netted a quick goal Friday and eventually pumped in five more to defeat Buffalo State in SUNY Athletic Conference men’s hockey.

Kevin Emmerling tallied two goals and an assist to lead the Cardinals to the 6-0 win.

“I think it was a very good game overall as far as hockey IQ goes,” Plattsburgh coach Bob Emery said. “I thought we were real smart (Friday). We played smart hockey, and that’s something we’ve been trying to do for most of the year.
“And we were opportunistic at the same time.”

No. 10 Plattsburgh (15-5-1, 11-2) will finish the weekend by visiting Fredonia tonight.

Michael Cassidy got the scoring started Friday with a power-play goal 47 seconds into the game. Late in the first period, Michael Radisa made it 2-0 on a penalty shot after being tripped while on a breakaway. Emery said Radisa “made a great shot stick-side.”

Dillan Fox and Mark Constantine scored in the second, and Emmerling notched both of his goals in the third.

Buffalo State managed just 15 shots, and Brady Rouleau stopped them all to earn the shutout.

“They had a couple good chances, and Brady was equal to the task,” Emery said. “He was very confident (Friday). That’s one thing we’ve been working on with him, and I think that’s important.”
Plattsburgh’s Chris Taff earned three assists, and Anthony Calabrese picked up two.

Ian Sylves stopped 19 shots for the Bengals (7-11-2, 3-6-2).

Fredonia lost to Potsdam on Friday, remaining winless in SUNYAC play. But Emery said the Cardinals still need to be ready to play tonight.
“Fredonia can be a tough place to play,” he said. “They play real defensive hockey.”

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Plattsburgh State 6, Buffalo State 0
Plattsburgh 2 2 2 — 0
Buffalo State 0 0 0 — 0
First period- 1, PSU, Cassidy (Brenton, Taff), 0:47 (pp). 2, PSU, Radisa, 18:03 (penalty shot). Penalties: BS, Hope (roughing), 0:09. PSU, Emmerling (slashing), 16:07. BS, Stayner (tripping), 18:03. PSU, Brenton (holding)19:56.
Second period- 3, PSU, Fox (Taff, Emmerling), 10:24. 4, PSU, Constantine, 19:00. Penalties: BS, Hrivnak (tripping), 2:35. PSU, Fregeau (tripping), 7:33. BS, Chardon (Elbowing), 10:24. PSU, Hermans (ICTH elbowing), 14:35. PSU, Beadow (slashing), 19:27.
Third period- 5, PSU, Emmerling (Gorman, Calabrese), 3:55. 6, PSU, Emmerling (Taff, Calabrese), 16:48 (pp). Penalties: BS, Pryce (charging), 1:51. BS, Pryce (misconduct), 1:51. BS, Rosen (slashing), 15:58. Valente (interference), 19:11. Valente (game misconduct), 19:11.
Shots on goal:
Plattsburgh 2 2 2 — 6
Buffalo State 0 0 0 — 0
Goaltenders (shots-saves): Rouleau, PSU 15-15. Sylves, BS, 25-19.
Power plays (goals-opportunities): Plattsburgh 2-5, Buffalo State 0-6.
Attendance: 356.

 

[Birdwatcher]

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There does appear to be video for tonight's game against Canton : http://rooathletics.com/sports/2015/2/1/MHOCKEY_0201154335.aspx

 

[Birdwatcher]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

Just trying to figure out if this 8 day break is a good thing or a bad thing ! Thoughts?

 

[LakerEagleLover]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

Just trying to figure out if this 8 day break is a good thing or a bad thing ! Thoughts?

If you have key injuries that could use the healing time...good If you have "issues" that require focus for fixing...good Otherwise, I think they would be happier playing...IMHO

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

If you have key injuries that could use the healing time...good If you have "issues" that require focus for fixing...good Otherwise, I think they would be happier playing...IMHO

Injuries? Check (Finney, Hall, Radisa, and others)

Issues? Check (Powerplay... Enough said)

Rather be playing? Probably. Next opponent is Oswego, so it all comes down to whether Plattsburgh comes in with fresh legs or rusty legs...

 

[bakdraft21]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

all teams have injuries,thats y its a team sport with several back ups waiting to play,yes some injuries are worse than others,but ya gotta move on,Oswego lost a key goalie,and still had a pretty good finish a few yrs ago,I am sure those teams with injuries will put them behind them and play well.As for rusty legs,thats where the goalie has to whether the storm and hold on tight.

 

[Adirondack]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

Looks like there's going to be a bus headed to Oswego.

 

[adk46r]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

I have checked gocardinalsports.com ,twitter , and went back a ways in this thread to see what ever happened to the Blueline Report. From what I can see the last one was in December. I first thought that it was on hiatus while the students were on break; but still nothing now they are back. Does anyone know if it was cancelled or I just can not find it.

 

[Adirondack]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

Someone may correct me, but I think Mike Warren who was doing the Blueline Report graduated in December, and for whatever reason no-one has stepped up to do the job.

 

[adk46r]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2014-15 - Bob's 26th work in progress ...

I guess it is time to bring "Ducky" out of retirement. I see him at most of the home games.