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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
is this transfer rumor actually a rumor or is this a joke
is this transfer rumor actually a rumor or is this a joke
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Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
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LoudHorns31
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PSUChamps2001
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
Ryan Craig has yet to appear in a game for Niagara this year and in 2 seasons has played in 13 games scoring 2 assists....it doesnt seem like much but one has to remember Don Patrick coming from Ferris State where he played in just 15 games and had 0 points....he went on to score 141 points (41goals, 100 assists) in 105 games for the Lakers...
Ryan Craig has yet to appear in a game for Niagara this year and in 2 seasons has played in 13 games scoring 2 assists....it doesnt seem like much but one has to remember Don Patrick coming from Ferris State where he played in just 15 games and had 0 points....he went on to score 141 points (41goals, 100 assists) in 105 games for the Lakers...
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My 2 cents?..I think the NCAA should adopt the same rule it has for D1 to D3?..transfer and sit out a year, if a Canadian kid playing D1 or D3 wants to go back to a Canadian University, they have to sit out a year before they can play.
There are many D3 players who have received offers from D1 schools but chose D3 because they felt they would get more playing time. A D1 player who transfers to D3 can play without the year long wait and in many cases bumps a good D3 player to the 4th line or worse. What happened to the notion that a coach ?develops? the players over the years, they obviously saw something in the recruits game to warrant an offer, now take the time to develop the player??.Some of the most successful NHL teams have done it through the draft, working with the players, creating good chemistry,etc?.Ok, I?m off the ?soap box?.
My 2 cents?..I think the NCAA should adopt the same rule it has for D1 to D3?..transfer and sit out a year, if a Canadian kid playing D1 or D3 wants to go back to a Canadian University, they have to sit out a year before they can play.
There are many D3 players who have received offers from D1 schools but chose D3 because they felt they would get more playing time. A D1 player who transfers to D3 can play without the year long wait and in many cases bumps a good D3 player to the 4th line or worse. What happened to the notion that a coach ?develops? the players over the years, they obviously saw something in the recruits game to warrant an offer, now take the time to develop the player??.Some of the most successful NHL teams have done it through the draft, working with the players, creating good chemistry,etc?.Ok, I?m off the ?soap box?.
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I think that teams should have to carry a "one and done" player's scholarship on the books until they would have "graduated", which of course most of them never would have anyway. Don't get me started on what's wrong with D1 basketball...
I think that teams should have to carry a "one and done" player's scholarship on the books until they would have "graduated", which of course most of them never would have anyway. Don't get me started on what's wrong with D1 basketball...
PSUChamps2001
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
I guess some coaches would rather pick up guys who have already been developed then develope their own....and while I agree somewhat with what you said, for those players who come to a team and do not get to play its not fair to them as student athletes to make them ride the pine for four years....
My 2 cents?..I think the NCAA should adopt the same rule it has for D1 to D3?..transfer and sit out a year, if a Canadian kid playing D1 or D3 wants to go back to a Canadian University, they have to sit out a year before they can play.
There are many D3 players who have received offers from D1 schools but chose D3 because they felt they would get more playing time. A D1 player who transfers to D3 can play without the year long wait and in many cases bumps a good D3 player to the 4th line or worse. What happened to the notion that a coach ?develops? the players over the years, they obviously saw something in the recruits game to warrant an offer, now take the time to develop the player??.Some of the most successful NHL teams have done it through the draft, working with the players, creating good chemistry,etc?.Ok, I?m off the ?soap box?.
I guess some coaches would rather pick up guys who have already been developed then develope their own....and while I agree somewhat with what you said, for those players who come to a team and do not get to play its not fair to them as student athletes to make them ride the pine for four years....
CardsFan91
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
So now Oswego has five players on the current roster (if this is true) who were members of Division-I hockey programs.
Dan Bremner- Mercyhurst
Ian Boots- Ohio State University
Owen Kelly- Air Force
Tim Carr- UMass Lowell
Ryan Craig- Niagara
And Emery doesn't want to accept transfer requests at the break...tsk tsk.
So now Oswego has five players on the current roster (if this is true) who were members of Division-I hockey programs.
Dan Bremner- Mercyhurst
Ian Boots- Ohio State University
Owen Kelly- Air Force
Tim Carr- UMass Lowell
Ryan Craig- Niagara
And Emery doesn't want to accept transfer requests at the break...tsk tsk.
PSUChamps2001
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Craig is going to Plattsburgh...
So what happeneded in Hobart last night? Looks like D1 transfers aren't always what they are hyped up to be. If you want to build your team with transfers then fine, if you build it more traditionally that's good too....just remember any given team on any given night can shine.
Way to go Hobart, I was looking foward to the Cards being the first chink in the Lakers armor but more power to Hobart and anyone else who can cut em down. I've always said anyone who beats Middlebury is good in my book, well I'm rootin' for whoever beats Oswego too....
Go Cards!
Way to go Hobart, I was looking foward to the Cards being the first chink in the Lakers armor but more power to Hobart and anyone else who can cut em down. I've always said anyone who beats Middlebury is good in my book, well I'm rootin' for whoever beats Oswego too....
Go Cards!
PrezdeJohnson09
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
Would you guys quit crying.
No one whined about Plattsburgh having a better FA package when the Cards were running train on the SUNYAC.
Would you guys quit crying.
No one whined about Plattsburgh having a better FA package when the Cards were running train on the SUNYAC.
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When your #1 everyone is out for blood, the lakers didn't show the drive Hobart had and they lost because of it.
Rooting for anyone who goes against the lakers? I root for other SUNYAC teams to take down Plattsburgh, which so far has been happening more often than usual, but I root for Plattsburgh in out of conference games. In my opinion when the conference as a whole does good it really shows what SUNY is capable of, idk about you but I don't like when people try to talk down the SUNY system just because its public.
When your #1 everyone is out for blood, the lakers didn't show the drive Hobart had and they lost because of it.
Rooting for anyone who goes against the lakers? I root for other SUNYAC teams to take down Plattsburgh, which so far has been happening more often than usual, but I root for Plattsburgh in out of conference games. In my opinion when the conference as a whole does good it really shows what SUNY is capable of, idk about you but I don't like when people try to talk down the SUNY system just because its public.
PrezdeJohnson09
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
From the sounds of things, Hobart completely out-played and out-matched a worn-down Oswego team that battled 60 hard minutes with Utica the night before. Oswego had already started to tail off a bit and compounded by the loss of Beckwith between the pipes, the Lakers were a sitting duck for an upset and Hobart did it.
It's nearly impossible to run the table nowadays in D-III with how competitive and spread out the talent has become. When you're #1, you get everyone's A game and then some. Let somebody else have the target for awhile. Oswego still could have it, but I think SNC and Williams should both be getting votes now and maybe even take it over.
From the sounds of things, Hobart completely out-played and out-matched a worn-down Oswego team that battled 60 hard minutes with Utica the night before. Oswego had already started to tail off a bit and compounded by the loss of Beckwith between the pipes, the Lakers were a sitting duck for an upset and Hobart did it.
It's nearly impossible to run the table nowadays in D-III with how competitive and spread out the talent has become. When you're #1, you get everyone's A game and then some. Let somebody else have the target for awhile. Oswego still could have it, but I think SNC and Williams should both be getting votes now and maybe even take it over.
PSUChamps2001
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
Plattsburghs FA back then was no where near what Oswego is giving now.....and its something you had to do to keep up with Middlebury and RIT. But there is a difference between giving some, and giving free room and board and then some....
Plattsburghs FA back then was no where near what Oswego is giving now.....and its something you had to do to keep up with Middlebury and RIT. But there is a difference between giving some, and giving free room and board and then some....
LakerEagleLover
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Back then was back then...now is now...any SUNY school can offer what Oz is offering.....which benefits a wide range of students, not just athletes who wear skates....so man up or shut up.....
PSUChamps2001
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
Agree, Oswego is far far from my negative list....I may not like some of the things they do to get their players and players they get, but they are a very clean, hard working hockey program top to bottom...and you have to respect that. I will normally root for all SUNYAC teams as long as they are clean and don't resort to the thugish aspects of hockey, and I can't remember the last time I've ever known Oswego to be "thugish". Undiciplined maybe, but always for the most part respectful. I can remember playing a game of pool with the Laker team back in the mid 90's at the Ramada Inn after game 1 of the SUNYAC Finals. There are some teams however, find it more fun to thug it up then play hockey....
Agree, Oswego is far far from my negative list....I may not like some of the things they do to get their players and players they get, but they are a very clean, hard working hockey program top to bottom...and you have to respect that. I will normally root for all SUNYAC teams as long as they are clean and don't resort to the thugish aspects of hockey, and I can't remember the last time I've ever known Oswego to be "thugish". Undiciplined maybe, but always for the most part respectful. I can remember playing a game of pool with the Laker team back in the mid 90's at the Ramada Inn after game 1 of the SUNYAC Finals. There are some teams however, find it more fun to thug it up then play hockey....
PSUChamps2001
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
Not all schools have the $$$ to do such...and no, not all schools can offer the same exact thing....you should read a few books on FA...Reclaiming the game is one of them...opens some eyes to a lot of things...I'm not, nor have I ever said anything Oswego is doing is illegal....nothing the Yankees do is illegal either.....but I'd rather win being the best coached team and not the best coached team money can buy....
Not all schools have the $$$ to do such...and no, not all schools can offer the same exact thing....you should read a few books on FA...Reclaiming the game is one of them...opens some eyes to a lot of things...I'm not, nor have I ever said anything Oswego is doing is illegal....nothing the Yankees do is illegal either.....but I'd rather win being the best coached team and not the best coached team money can buy....
93GreatLaker
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Before Niagara, Craig led the NJ Hitmen in scoring back to back years in the EJHL. His team won the league championship his last year there. He is a very solid addition for the Cardinals and I would be very surprised if he does not become a regular in the line-up.
Too bad Platty has had to resort to supplementing their roster with D1 kids. I guess since they can't beat Oswego Emery has decided to join them in their recruiting practices
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The direction that this thread has gone has gotten plain silly, especially as it relates to transfers. As far as I know, it is up to the player to initiate contact if they wish to transfer from a DI program to a DIII. It would be tampering for the DIII coach to do so. As long as Gosek isn't out there trolling (old fishing term) for transfers, there is no problem here.
Furthermore, as long as a school isn't doing what Genney and Buff State were doing, FA packages are not built differently for hockey players than any other student. If it's more attractive for a hockey player to go one school than another because of FA, it would be the same for a non-hockey player with similar credentials.
The direction that this thread has gone has gotten plain silly, especially as it relates to transfers. As far as I know, it is up to the player to initiate contact if they wish to transfer from a DI program to a DIII. It would be tampering for the DIII coach to do so. As long as Gosek isn't out there trolling (old fishing term) for transfers, there is no problem here.
Furthermore, as long as a school isn't doing what Genney and Buff State were doing, FA packages are not built differently for hockey players than any other student. If it's more attractive for a hockey player to go one school than another because of FA, it would be the same for a non-hockey player with similar credentials.
LakerEagleLover
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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11
Looking beyond the financial aid package, I believe Plattsburgh is not only losing the recruiting battle for foreign students, but also for American kids with Oswego - Americans who get no financial aid. For most hockey players and their families, they are accustomed to spending $10000's on their sport and if you're not getting a true Division I offer with scholarship, the room and board incentive is not a deal breaker. First and foremost any prospect wants to go where it matters and where they can win.
You're 20 years-old, a top prospect and - financial aid package aside - you make a recruiting trip to Oswego and Plattsburgh. In Oswego you meet with a down-to-earth likeable guy, with a certain charm, who treats you like an adult and makes you feel welcome and important. You come to a glistening new facility filled with a rabid student fan base. In Plattsburgh you meet with a stern coach and a guy who has a lot of expectations for you - someone with a reputation as no-nonsense hockey guy. A my way or the highway guy. The facility is nice - but not a palace and the fans, while just as enthusiastic, they are older and not necessarily your peers.
What's your first choice?
Looking beyond the financial aid package, I believe Plattsburgh is not only losing the recruiting battle for foreign students, but also for American kids with Oswego - Americans who get no financial aid. For most hockey players and their families, they are accustomed to spending $10000's on their sport and if you're not getting a true Division I offer with scholarship, the room and board incentive is not a deal breaker. First and foremost any prospect wants to go where it matters and where they can win.
You're 20 years-old, a top prospect and - financial aid package aside - you make a recruiting trip to Oswego and Plattsburgh. In Oswego you meet with a down-to-earth likeable guy, with a certain charm, who treats you like an adult and makes you feel welcome and important. You come to a glistening new facility filled with a rabid student fan base. In Plattsburgh you meet with a stern coach and a guy who has a lot of expectations for you - someone with a reputation as no-nonsense hockey guy. A my way or the highway guy. The facility is nice - but not a palace and the fans, while just as enthusiastic, they are older and not necessarily your peers.
What's your first choice?
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