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Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11

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Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11

Vokey played where??

Transfers havn't made an impact? Don Patricks goal over Plattsburgh in the SUNYAC Finals....Where would Oswego be without Fox? Where would they have been with out KGT? Would Plattsburgh kept the tie alive with out Bootes? Oswego is 4-0 against Plattsburgh in the last 4 games....Transfers...6 goals, 5 assists, 3 wins.....nope transfers have had ZERO impact...

Of course it wouldn't matter to you at all why they come to Oswego....if you won the lottery would you care how you came up with the winning ticket? Of course not...Sorry like I said, a team that has to continually bring in transfers and DI players 2 and 3 a year to be competitive says something about a program.

Let's be honest.

The presence of Jon "White Lightning" Whitelaw is the reason why Oswego is 4-0 against Plattsburgh in the last four. :)
 
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Vokey played where??

Transfers havn't made an impact? Don Patricks goal over Plattsburgh in the SUNYAC Finals....Where would Oswego be without Fox? Where would they have been with out KGT? Would Plattsburgh kept the tie alive with out Bootes? Oswego is 4-0 against Plattsburgh in the last 4 games....Transfers...6 goals, 5 assists, 3 wins.....nope transfers have had ZERO impact...

Of course it wouldn't matter to you at all why they come to Oswego....if you won the lottery would you care how you came up with the winning ticket? Of course not...Sorry like I said, a team that has to continually bring in transfers and DI players 2 and 3 a year to be competitive says something about a program.

I never said the transfers have had no impact at all, I just think it is doing a great disservice to guys like Whitelaw, Rodrigues, Selleck, Lyon etc. to say that the transfers carried them to wins. A lot of home grown talent has had a hand in it as well.

Don Patrick was from Fulton and chose to come home to play after his D1 career crapped the bed at Ferris State and George Roll was the coach when he came in not Eddie. Vokey was encouraged by Patrick to come to Oswego but never played a single game. Yes he was brought in but he didn't play, so the National championship team had no transfers on it.

I don't think the presence of the transfers and D1 players, and lets be honest the D1 players were basically D3 players in D1 uniforms aside from Boots and Bremner, says anything bad about a program. What it says is that at the moment they are puting a winning team on the ice, they are doing it a different way than some other programs thats all. Bob chooses to go with guys he picks, that he knows he can coach and will buy into what he says which if I was a coach is the way I would do it. Eddie takes a big risk by bringing in guys like Boots, Gunn-Taylor and Bremner who were run out of town on a rail and recently it has paid off. Joel Kitchen and Tim Vokey are examples of how it can backfire on you.

I respect your opinion on most things because you are very sharp and more importantly you are into racing, but I think you are getting a little too hung up on the transfer thing. Maybe some frustration that Plattsburgh, isn't getting these players or something, but as you said they don't need them. I really don't think Oswego "needs" them either but they have them and they use them. When Platty is back to kicking the crap out of Oswego, which we both know is going to happen, then I am sure you will forget all about it. As it is now you sound like Sammy Swindell, we won by half a lap but coulda lapped the field if we didn't have 5,000 things wrong with the car. Plattsburgh has been the dominant team in SUNYAC for 20 years but just think is Oswego, Geneseo and Fredonia would just roll over and die, they would have won 20 titles in a row.

I suppose I should add that Eddie is a good friend of my family so I guess I take offense to people questioning his integrity and his coaching ability which is what I think you are doing. He does what he needs to do to keep a winning team on the ice and if that means bringing in transfers then so be it.
 
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This crying is awesome. What's even better is that it comes from people who have no *** clue what they are talking about.

Let's put it this way: There's a team, in the East, who dings players for all of $600 a year...and it's not a team under discussion here. As this team is not at the level of Wego or Platty from a win or skill standpoint, I think we can stick a fork in the excuses.
 
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...a team that has to continually bring in transfers and DI players 2 and 3 a year to be competitive says something about a program.

I agree...I think a team that continually brings in transfers and DI players says alot about the program...alot of good things about that program. Why are most college coaches good coaches? Usually not because they are great coaches, but because they recruit so well.

That's like saying "...an Ivy League school that continually brings in 1600 SAT and A+ students every year to be competitive academically says something about that school." It says something positive!
 
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Word has it that Ryan Craig is transferring from Niagara to Plattsburgh. Craig will be a Junior.

Well that does it, the rest of your wins are no good now that you have a D1 transfer coming in..............LOLOLOLOL.........thats if Oz doesn't steal him like others........Hope hes good, and will add to the rivalry.......
 
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Well that does it, the rest of your wins are no good now that you have a D1 transfer coming in..............LOLOLOLOL.........thats if Oz doesn't steal him like others........Hope hes good, and will add to the rivalry.......
Oh my, who will PSUChamps root for now...???
 
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I know I have not posted as much as many of you but I am going to add my comment anyway. The transfer situation does speak well of Oswego but it does not all have to do with just the coach the financial aid package is better but that is nobody's fault. My problem with having transfers coming in like they have had, and this goes for the Plattsburgh State Women's team as well. Bringing in these players might be great for your team now but what happens when you don't get those transfers anymore and you have to rely on those skaters you brought in as Freshmen who are now upperclassmen and have played very little. Truth is you don't know how that will turn out, it could be ok or it could get ugly quick. How many talented Freshman has Oswego lost because they said they were bringing in Transfers, I bet a lot. From what I have seen with the 15 or more recruits from the past 2 years they have 3 maybe for really talented players and so far it looks like this years Freshman class is a washout with the leading Freshman playing 3 games and having 1 goal. You bring in a guy in the second semester to me is different especially if it is a need, the Tim Potter situation for instance, because you are bringing in something that you need that you didn't fore see needing. This post goes to any team that brings in multiple transfers, look at this years seniors for Oswego 4 of 7 were Transfers. But like I always say that is just my opinion.
 
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Oswego has Brown, Titanic, Ayotte, Muise, McConney, Singleton, and Badham as guys that are pretty good hockey players that are sitting out a lot of the time. While I see where you are coming from with your points, you just never know what a guy is going to do unless he is put in a position to succeed. For instance, Neil Musselwhite had 23 goals last season and 36 points, in his previous three seasons he totaled 21 goals and 40 points. Or how about Mark Lozzi who led the team in goals his senior year after posting only one goal in his first three years.

Then of course you have the idea that if no transfers are coming in, then some of those talented freshman that would have went else where, would instead chose to come to Oswego.
 
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Oswego has Brown, Titanic, Ayotte, Muise, McConney, Singleton, and Badham as guys that are pretty good hockey players that are sitting out a lot of the time. While I see where you are coming from with your points, you just never know what a guy is going to do unless he is put in a position to succeed. For instance, Neil Musselwhite had 23 goals last season and 36 points, in his previous three seasons he totaled 21 goals and 40 points. Or how about Mark Lozzi who led the team in goals his senior year after posting only one goal in his first three years.

Then of course you have the idea that if no transfers are coming in, then some of those talented freshman that would have went else where, would instead chose to come to Oswego.

That is my point the what if's with those talented players. For example after next year one of the many talented SUNYAC freshman will be a junior and the Oswego transfers will be gone and that now junior player has become the next Eric Selleck. I would rather have the chance to keep a player of that quality for 4 years (yea they might leave before that like Selleck and Hince) then have a player of the same caliber for a guaranteed 1,2 maybe 3 years. Those players sitting you are correct I am sure if they were not good hockey players they would not be on the team but the reaction in a game and practice just like the last game with Utica, I am sure there was some nail biting going on because Jones had not played in a game situation in over 2 years. More power to your coach if he keeps getting those transfers, but I think that just hurts the program in the long run because when they can't get those guys anymore and they don't have the top flight guys they could have recruited then the years to follow could be rough.
 
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This conversation made me think of NCAA basketball and the 'one and done' guys that are coming out of high school. Te NBA forces a player to wait one year after high school before entering the NBA draft, so guys are going to college with the full intent of staying only one year. Coaches don't seem to mind as they still recruit these highly talented players knowing full well they will liekly stay for one year. Melo worked out for Coach Boeheim..
 
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This conversation made me think of NCAA basketball and the 'one and done' guys that are coming out of high school. Te NBA forces a player to wait one year after high school before entering the NBA draft, so guys are going to college with the full intent of staying only one year. Coaches don't seem to mind as they still recruit these highly talented players knowing full well they will liekly stay for one year. Melo worked out for Coach Boeheim..

Melo reached his "College Goal", the National Championship. If SU didn't win it, he would have stayed longer.
 
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This conversation made me think of NCAA basketball and the 'one and done' guys that are coming out of high school. Te NBA forces a player to wait one year after high school before entering the NBA draft, so guys are going to college with the full intent of staying only one year. Coaches don't seem to mind as they still recruit these highly talented players knowing full well they will liekly stay for one year. Melo worked out for Coach Boeheim..

Which is one of the dumbest things I ever see. I know its a rule you either hate or love, there isn't much inbetween. To me, a "star" player who goes into college just to fulfill the requirements of the one year rule takes away from that last person who WOULD have been let in had they not had to hold the spot for that person....The person who WOULD have got in and actually graduated and done something productive in their lives.

dmac, very good points and pretty much why I put the whole "question ones program". As long as Oswego keeps winning, they will still get decent transfers....not that I really want to go and do it, but does anyone else in DIII have 6 transfers on their roster this season??
 
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Melo reached his "College Goal", the National Championship. If SU didn't win it, he would have stayed longer.

I don't know about that.

You think if Syracuse made the final four and lost he would have been back?

I'm not sure of it. He had a great year regardless, the NCAA Tournament was just the icing on the cake. It'd be nice to think he would have come back, but let's be honest. Whether he won the the NC or not, he was still the 2nd best player in that draft class and probably would have left anyway.
 
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I don't know about that.

You think if Syracuse made the final four and lost he would have been back?

I'm not sure of it. He had a great year regardless, the NCAA Tournament was just the icing on the cake. It'd be nice to think he would have come back, but let's be honest. Whether he won the the NC or not, he was still the 2nd best player in that draft class and probably would have left anyway.

That was the talk as early as January of 03 when I went to the game against BC. As I was getting my "Coney Dog" many people very familiar with the program were already saying if SU won the NC, Melo would be gone, if not he would be around for another season. He wanted that championship ring.
 
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