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Plattsburgh State Hockey 2010-11

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So I guess when Plattsburgh won for all those years they must have had the best financial aid. Had nothing to do with coaching . Financial aid certainly is an important part of the formula but I can tell you Norwich does not have the best financial aid packages. My granddaughter is a freshman here and I and tell you first hand what the aid packages are like. I know nothing of the aid packages at Oswego but I do know their tuition is a lot less.
 
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"Only two teams (in Division III) — Oswego and Norwich — are doing really well right how, and they're the two teams with the best financial aid," said Plattsburgh State head coach Bob Emery. "Everyone else is doing just okay.

Maybe the problem here is with the definition of "just okay". Coach Mark Ostapina at MSOE might think that a 6-0 start is a little better than "just okay". Possibly Coach Emery is in denial about the existance of division III hockey in the West. St. Norbert, Hamline, Gustavis Adolphus, Adrian, and Wisconsin-Stout (and a few others) appreciate that Coach Emery thinks so highly of them.
 
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And speaking of Financial Aid, Emery should check into Midd's. Did they lose their aid packages? Oh wait, didn't a couple players recruited by P'burg go to the Wick and the Oz? Must of been the financial aid.....:rolleyes:
 
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Don't fire Emery! It's not Leis' fault! The ship is not sinking!

Cardinals knock off the number one team in all the land! :D
 
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Yeah yeah YEAH!! Tonight was absolutely incredible in Cardinal Country. The Cards were fired up and ready to rock. Also, I was impressed by Leis performance in net tonight. Not only did he come up with some key saves when tested, but he probably played the best I've seen him play in quite some time. Granted, it wasn't an entirely flawless performance - but kudos to Josh for supplementing the rest of the team on the ice. It was nice to see our defense jump in and aggressively move the puck, as well. Here's hoping this continues!

Plattsburgh earned this victory tonight; and to win one against such an impressive rival only adds icing on the cake =)

http://www.therobbrennan.com/journa...orwich-for-2010-primelink-great-northern.html
 
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Congrats to the Cardinals. Big win. Hopefully this will lay to rest the coach speak of aid packages. Didn't seem to bother Emery when the boys in red were on a 10 game unbeaten streak against the Lakers just a little over a year ago. Tonight's game should take away all of the excuses, Plattsburgh proved they can skate with and beat the best in DIII.

Does make you wonder though what the heck happened against Buff State and Morrisville. Should make for an exciting 2nd half of the season if Plattsburgh really is back.
 
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Hmmm..is that an "oblique" way of saying that the Cardinals are a "work in progress" because their financial aid is lacking. OR is Coach E making a pre tourney excuse. Does not bode well.

That's a very interesting quote. Not to mention a completely boneheaded one.
 
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Cards pull off Classic comeback - {Article from the Plattsburgh Press-Republican 11/28/2010}

This was more like it.
Nick Jensen and Matt Bessing scored goals just over a minute apart in the third period Saturday night and the Plattsburgh State men's hockey team rallied for a 3-2 victory over top-ranked Norwich University in the championship game of the 13th-Annual PrimeLink Great Northern Shootout at the Stafford Ice Arena.

"It was a three-fold win for us," said Plattsburgh State head coach Bob Emery.

"One, we needed a win like this to get our season turned around. Two, we needed to win a big tournament like the PrimeLink. And, three, we had to beat a real good team like Norwich, which is one of the top two teams in the country."

"For sure, this is a confidence booster for us," said Cardinal forward Eric Satim, who was chosen as the tournament's Most Valuable Player. "We got off to a rough start to the season, but have played better in our last few games.

"We played with a lot of emotion and did a good job on defense keeping the puck out of our net. We didn't make the mistakes we have been making."

The game was tied at 1-all entering the third period.

The Cadets (3-1) then took a one-goal lead at 8:25 when Tim Houston scored from a bad angle just inside the boards above the end line. Plattsburgh State goalie Josh Leis, who played a strong game, had come out of his net and couldn't fully recover.

"It would have been disappointing to lose, 2-1, if that goal would have turned out to be the game-winner," said Emery.
But, the Cardinals (5-4) battled back.

With Plattsburgh State skating on a powerplay, Jensen took a centering pass from Kyle Kudroch and beat Norwich goalie Alex Dubois to tie the game at 13:19.

Then, shortly after at 14:29, Dubois stopped Mike Grace's shot, but Bessing scored on the rebound to give the Cardinals the lead for good.

"The name of the game is keeping the puck out of our net," said Emery. "I know we'll generate offense. Our forwards did a great job backchecking tonight.

"Hopefully, we will learn from this game and continue to move forward."

The two teams played to a scoreless first period.

Then, with 2:04 gone in the second, Satim jumped on a loose puck in front and went up top in the corner to give the Cardinals the lead.

But, just 19 seconds later, Matt McCann crashed the Plattsburgh State net and stuffed the puck in to pull the Cadets into a 1-all tie.

The Cardinals finished with a 32-28 advantage in shots on goal, with Leis stopping 26 of 28 shots and Dubois, 29 of 32.

"It was a huge win for us," said Satim. "We played great defense tonight. We know we have the offense to be able to win games like this."

In addition to MVP Satim, Plattsburgh State was represented on the all-tournament team by Leis and forward Patrick Jobb. Cardinal defenseman Barry Roytman was chosen as Top Rookie in the event.

The remainder of the all-tournament team consisted of Norwich defenseman Shawn Baker and forward Chad Anderson and Middlebury defenseman Tucker Donahoe.

Plattsburgh State returns to State University of New York Athletic Conference play on Friday night at Potsdam State.
 
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Congrats to the Cardinals. Big win. Hopefully this will lay to rest the coach speak of aid packages. Didn't seem to bother Emery when the boys in red were on a 10 game unbeaten streak against the Lakers just a little over a year ago. Tonight's game should take away all of the excuses, Plattsburgh proved they can skate with and beat the best in DIII.

Does make you wonder though what the heck happened against Buff State and Morrisville. Should make for an exciting 2nd half of the season if Plattsburgh really is back.

Is it wrong of a coach to say such a thing? Yes probably but it took some big testicular fortitude to do so. Sorry but the truth hurts. I'm not sure why everyone is so offended by it. He is not saying anyone is cheating, he is simply saying that Oswego can attract the higher end players with their FA then Plattsburgh can, the same with Norwich. However, I also agree with you that Emery should admit during his time at Plattsburgh (not so much during the 10 game streak because Plattsburghs aide was still way below that of Oswegos) but back in the mid-90s Plattsburgh had the best FA of any SUNY school. If you look at the rosters and then the records, you can figure out when SUNY Plattsburgh cut their FA program. It will be interesting to see what Emery has to say about this comment on BTB Monday night. Hopefully Ducky will ask and he can either A) set the record straight or B) apologize. Personally I think Emery is a little bitter that his administration won't allow him the same leverage as Oswego. He has lost several recruits/transfers to Oswego and we can go on and on and on about why, but if you don't think Mommy and Daddy's pocket book $$$$$$ had anything to do with it, then disregard anything I said because obviously you don't get it.
 
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Is it wrong of a coach to say such a thing? Yes probably but it took some big testicular fortitude to do so. Sorry but the truth hurts. I'm not sure why everyone is so offended by it. He is not saying anyone is cheating, he is simply saying that Oswego can attract the higher end players with their FA then Plattsburgh can, the same with Norwich. However, I also agree with you that Emery should admit during his time at Plattsburgh (not so much during the 10 game streak because Plattsburghs aide was still way below that of Oswegos) but back in the mid-90s Plattsburgh had the best FA of any SUNY school. If you look at the rosters and then the records, you can figure out when SUNY Plattsburgh cut their FA program. It will be interesting to see what Emery has to say about this comment on BTB Monday night. Hopefully Ducky will ask and he can either A) set the record straight or B) apologize. Personally I think Emery is a little bitter that his administration won't allow him the same leverage as Oswego. He has lost several recruits/transfers to Oswego and we can go on and on and on about why, but if you don't think Mommy and Daddy's pocket book $$$$$$ had anything to do with it, then disregard anything I said because obviously you don't get it.

It has nothing to do, IMO, with the validity of the comment, it has EVERYTHING to do with WHO said it and when. Emery is storied coach, an incredible asset to Plattsburgh, and through association, all of hockey. That said a coach, particularly a coach having an uncharacteristic poor start, should not be making comments that are sound like excuses. The coach’s role is to "make it happen", to find ways to overcome diversity. There are enough pundits to discuss politics and non-team issues, he can say anything about his players, their attitudes, health status, cohesiveness, whatever, but he CAN NOT point fingers, in public, in ways that make him appear to be a whiner. Plattsburgh may have a financial aid disadvantage, so be it, you find ways around it, you concentrate on your strengths, your attractiveness, and go for it, and you don’t wear your problems on your shirtsleeve. Money sadly can and often is a deciding factor in one’s life, but if you want something bad enough, you will make sacrifices to make it happen, athletes know this as much as anyone else, if not more, Plattsburgh has much to offer, excuses have no place among them.
 
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It has nothing to do, IMO, with the validity of the comment, it has EVERYTHING to do with WHO said it and when. Emery is storied coach, an incredible asset to Plattsburgh, and through association, all of hockey. That said a coach, particularly a coach having an uncharacteristic poor start, should not be making comments that are sound like excuses. The coach’s role is to "make it happen", to find ways to overcome diversity. There are enough pundits to discuss politics and non-team issues, he can say anything about his players, their attitudes, health status, cohesiveness, whatever, but he CAN NOT point fingers, in public, in ways that make him appear to be a whiner. Plattsburgh may have a financial aid disadvantage, so be it, you find ways around it, you concentrate on your strengths, your attractiveness, and go for it, and you don’t wear your problems on your shirtsleeve. Money sadly can and often is a deciding factor in one’s life, but if you want something bad enough, you will make sacrifices to make it happen, athletes know this as much as anyone else, if not more, Plattsburgh has much to offer, excuses have no place among them.

Rumor has it that when a player comes down to Oswego and Plattsburgh, Bob goes elsewhere. Like I said, I think he is more frustrated to keep losing recruits/transfers because of $$$. No offense but there isn't much to "sell" them on anymore. Crowds: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Arena: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Arena Music: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Recent Success: Oswego > Plattsburgh, FA: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Closer to Home: Depends so we will call it a push, Academic: Again, not sure that has a lot to do with a kid choosing to play hockey at either school, rip me all you want but...push. Hockey Coverage: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Scoreboards: Oswego > Plattsburgh.

The only thing Plattsburgh might have on Oswego is less snow, and my favorite part...tradition. But you can only sell the past on recruits so much, and only so many can and will buy into it.

Everyone may pick on Emery for saying it at this time, but he has said the exact same things for months/years on BTB and other quotes when asked about FA. Even when Plattsburgh was on their streak against Oswego he made comments on how he had to compete with Oswegos FA when trying to recruit players. If you ask me that alone, especially in the mid 2000's, was a estimate of Emery's coaching ability. Taking the A- recruits and beating those teams who get the A+ recruits. Plattsburgh teams now have to bring their lunch pales to work every game against the more skilled Oswegos and Norwichs out there.
 
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Rumor has it that when a player comes down to Oswego and Plattsburgh, Bob goes elsewhere. Like I said, I think he is more frustrated to keep losing recruits/transfers because of $$$. No offense but there isn't much to "sell" them on anymore. Crowds: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Arena: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Arena Music: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Recent Success: Oswego > Plattsburgh, FA: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Closer to Home: Depends so we will call it a push, Academic: Again, not sure that has a lot to do with a kid choosing to play hockey at either school, rip me all you want but...push. Hockey Coverage: Oswego > Plattsburgh, Scoreboards: Oswego > Plattsburgh.

The only thing Plattsburgh might have on Oswego is less snow, and my favorite part...tradition. But you can only sell the past on recruits so much, and only so many can and will buy into it.

Everyone may pick on Emery for saying it at this time, but he has said the exact same things for months/years on BTB and other quotes when asked about FA. Even when Plattsburgh was on their streak against Oswego he made comments on how he had to compete with Oswegos FA when trying to recruit players. If you ask me that alone, especially in the mid 2000's, was a estimate of Emery's coaching ability. Taking the A- recruits and beating those teams who get the A+ recruits. Plattsburgh teams now have to bring their lunch pales to work every game against the more skilled Oswegos and Norwichs out there.

Crowds: Oswego > Plattsburgh -- So work on fixing it, Plattburgh has the potential, he SHOULD be able have an impact here.

Arena: Oswego > Plattsburgh -- Plattsburgh is "good enough", this "advantage" should be easily overcome.

Arena Music: Oswego > Plattsburgh -- as with the crowd - work on fixing it, Plattburgh has the potential, he SHOULD be able have an impact here.

Recent Success: Oswego > Plattsburgh - work on fixing it, Plattburgh has the potential, this is HIS job.

FA: Oswego > Plattsburgh - Plattsburgh still has a sufficient package, in MOST cases he should be able to sell the school as an upgrade.

Closer to Home: Depends so we will call it a push - True

Academic: Again, not sure that has a lot to do with a kid choosing to play hockey at either school, rip me all you want but...push, this SHOULD be the "kids" MOST important factor, but alas, it likely is, as you note, a "push".

Hockey Coverage: Oswego > Plattsburgh - Say what??? On campus, Plattsburgh unnecessarily demeans itself, it has the resources and potential, it just chooses not to, but DUCKY should add a significant counterweight to this.

Scoreboards: Oswego > Plattsburgh - the rear-projection screens at Oswego are at best ok, and often a frustration, with poor lines of sight, in the brightly lit arena, Plattsburgh COULD, with minimal effort, overcome any advantage they have here. Someone (IMO the Bruce is at the helm here) needs to force the sign company (Fair Play) to fix the scoreboards, they have NEVER consistantly worked, and in any event, at whatever cost, they need to be fixed.

The only thing Plattsburgh might have on Oswego is less snow, and my favorite part...tradition. But you can only sell the past on recruits so much, and only so many can and will buy into it. Tradition and legacy is certainly a great part, but "my favorite part" is still Emery, his gaffes and all, Oswego gets more snow, we get colder temperatures - a push. As for the recruits, they have finally reached the college level, and maybe for some, their athletic career has tapped out their "supporters", but for most, meeting the cost of playing will be met, so long as the benefits are there.
 
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Is it wrong of a coach to say such a thing? Yes probably but it took some big testicular fortitude to do so. Sorry but the truth hurts. I'm not sure why everyone is so offended by it. He is not saying anyone is cheating, he is simply saying that Oswego can attract the higher end players with their FA then Plattsburgh can, the same with Norwich. However, I also agree with you that Emery should admit during his time at Plattsburgh (not so much during the 10 game streak because Plattsburghs aide was still way below that of Oswegos) but back in the mid-90s Plattsburgh had the best FA of any SUNY school. If you look at the rosters and then the records, you can figure out when SUNY Plattsburgh cut their FA program. It will be interesting to see what Emery has to say about this comment on BTB Monday night. Hopefully Ducky will ask and he can either A) set the record straight or B) apologize. Personally I think Emery is a little bitter that his administration won't allow him the same leverage as Oswego. He has lost several recruits/transfers to Oswego and we can go on and on and on about why, but if you don't think Mommy and Daddy's pocket book $$$$$$ had anything to do with it, then disregard anything I said because obviously you don't get it.

well said, and as a former oz player and now fan...........its was what it was and it is what it is........looks like Platts is back and the season should be fun....
 
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Crowds: Oswego > Plattsburgh -- So work on fixing it, Plattburgh has the potential, he SHOULD be able have an impact here.

Arena: Oswego > Plattsburgh -- Plattsburgh is "good enough", this "advantage" should be easily overcome.

Arena Music: Oswego > Plattsburgh -- as with the crowd - work on fixing it, Plattburgh has the potential, he SHOULD be able have an impact here.

Recent Success: Oswego > Plattsburgh - work on fixing it, Plattburgh has the potential, this is HIS job.

FA: Oswego > Plattsburgh - Plattsburgh still has a sufficient package, in MOST cases he should be able to sell the school as an upgrade.

Closer to Home: Depends so we will call it a push - True

Academic: Again, not sure that has a lot to do with a kid choosing to play hockey at either school, rip me all you want but...push, this SHOULD be the "kids" MOST important factor, but alas, it likely is, as you note, a "push".

Hockey Coverage: Oswego > Plattsburgh - Say what??? On campus, Plattsburgh unnecessarily demeans itself, it has the resources and potential, it just chooses not to, but DUCKY should add a significant counterweight to this.

Scoreboards: Oswego > Plattsburgh - the rear-projection screens at Oswego are at best ok, and often a frustration, with poor lines of sight, in the brightly lit arena, Plattsburgh COULD, with minimal effort, overcome any advantage they have here. Someone (IMO the Bruce is at the helm here) needs to force the sign company (Fair Play) to fix the scoreboards, they have NEVER consistantly worked, and in any event, at whatever cost, they need to be fixed.

The only thing Plattsburgh might have on Oswego is less snow, and my favorite part...tradition. But you can only sell the past on recruits so much, and only so many can and will buy into it. Tradition and legacy is certainly a great part, but "my favorite part" is still Emery, his gaffes and all, Oswego gets more snow, we get colder temperatures - a push. As for the recruits, they have finally reached the college level, and maybe for some, their athletic career as tapped out their "supporters", but for most, meeting the cost of playing will be met, so long as the benefits are there.

just to add to all thse recruiting quotes.........FRIENDS either on the team or at the school make a difference as well
 
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just to add to all thse recruiting quotes.........FRIENDS either on the team or at the school make a difference as well

Very true. Part of the reason why Fox and Hunnik were a package deal for Oz from what I've been told.
 
but if you don't think Mommy and Daddy's pocket book $$$$$$ had anything to do with it, then disregard anything I said because obviously you don't get it.

I certainly get it, I know it is an advantage to have a better aid package, better facilities, etc. I just think it sounds funny coming from the guy who had a monopoly on all of these advantages in the 90's and now that other schools have closed the gap and in some cases surpassed him, he thinks it is an issue.

Now if his message is for his own administration, and not a shot at the Lakers and Cadets, that's another story, though I don't think the Cardinal's ability to recruit top tier talent is the reason for their recent woes.
 
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Very true. Part of the reason why Fox and Hunnik were a package deal for Oz from what I've been told.
It's a lot cheaper @ Oz than Salem State. Both Justin and Kevin were paying close to full freight at Salem (20K+). Oz is a lot closer to Whitby than Salem and cheaper.
 
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I certainly get it, I know it is an advantage to have a better aid package, better facilities, etc. I just think it sounds funny coming from the guy who had a monopoly on all of these advantages in the 90's and now that other schools have closed the gap and in some cases surpassed him, he thinks it is an issue.

Now if his message is for his own administration, and not a shot at the Lakers and Cadets, that's another story, though I don't think the Cardinal's ability to recruit top tier talent is the reason for their recent woes.

I think all familiar with the program are assuming that it was a shot at the Plattsburgh administration more than anything...
 
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Between watching the Primelink via Primelink and listening to Ducky, the arena music has taken a huge hit. I think arena music is definitely taken for granted when it comes to hyping up a crowd. When I was there, the "organist/music person" was terrific. He did a great job not only picking great spots to use the organ, but picking great spots to use certain types of music. This weekend, the arena, at one point, sounded like a church, with that crappy music that was being played over and over. I understand there is a band now, so there is no need for the organist (don't agree), but bringing the organist/music person back this weekend when there is no band is a necessity. I'm also disappointed I didn't hear Mad Dog on the sound system. He was great at capturing the crowd. I'm really glad I don't have season tickets there anymore.
 
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