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Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

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I posted this in the Oswego thread but thought it was just as appropriate here and would like to know what Cards fans think. Looking forward to a great game tonight.


...On a more hockey related note. It's GAME DAY! The first (only? - that was for you Carey :p ) SUNYAC test of the year goes down tonight in Plattsburgh.

Both teams will go at it with goalie situations that are far from rock solid. It seems to be more than just a slight possibility that Kyle Gunn-Taylor will get the start in net tonight with Paul Beckwith being too sick to play. On the opposite side of the ice, freshman Josh Leis will be in net for the Cards (courtesy of Bill R in the Plattsburgh thread). If that is the case, that means that each team will be starting a goalie that only has one start for their team (KGT played last night, his first for the Lakers but had already played in 21 for Buff St). I'm wondering if a situation like that has ever happened.

Both teams are coming off very solid performances against mediocre at best SUNYAC squads last night. Lakers hung 8 on Potsdam while Cards scored 5 against the Red Dragons. It looks like the offense and defense are looking quite good despite some substantial losses from last year on both teams. Clearly goaltending is always a crucial part of the game, but is it safe to say that it is the main deciding factor in tonight's game considering the little experience each one has? Which team is better off in net tonight? How will the Lakers perform knowing that 0-9-1 is hanging over their heads? What does each team need to do in order to get a W tonight?

Let's get some discussion folks :)
 
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Here is some uselss information, take from it what you will....

These numbers are since the 1999-2000 season

Oswego's record on Saturday
81-42-14 (.642%)
2-5-2 @ Plattsburgh

Oswego's record on every other day
111-34-9 (.750%)

Plattsburgh's record on Saturday
107-27-9 (.780%)
5-2-2 vs. Oswego at the Stafford

Plattsburgh's record on every other day
114-45-13 (.701%)

Plattsburgh also leads the series since 1999-2000 with a commanding 23-8-4 record.

Also, Bob Emery is currently at 449 wins in his coaching career. He will be going for #450 tonight.

Lastly, I don't recall the last time Plattsburgh and Oswego met and neither goaltender had ever started a game in the rivalry before. It hasn't happened in the collegehocketstats.net era which dates back to 1999, and I am fairly sure you can go much further back than that.

Drop the puck.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
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Lastly, I don't recall the last time Plattsburgh and Oswego met and neither goaltender had ever started a game in the rivalry before. It hasn't happened in the collegehocketstats.net era which dates back to 1999, and I am fairly sure you can go much further back than that.

Drop the puck.
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The Friday, November 2, 2007 matchup at Oswego was Freshman Bryan Hince's 3rd career start whereas tonight's matchup will be Freshman Josh Leis's 2nd career start.
 
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A great, well played game at the Stafford, and there was NO ONE in attendence:confused: :o :mad:

As I posted on the Oswego thread:
Tada, 0-9-1 becomes 1-9-1, a radar number, I like that.

Seriously, it was a good game that, as billed, could have gone either way, I think Gosek said it well:

Gosek said the Cardinals are still the team to beat.

“They’re the most talented team in the league,” Gosek said. “They’re looking for a number-one goalie right now. We’re hoping they haven’t found one yet. We hope that’s an area we can exploit.”
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The Lakers while significantly out shot, they exploited their chances, and won, congratulations. Their new record is 29-65-5; just 36 more consecutive wins and they will even up the score;)

The rivalry is strengthened, following 10 failed attempts at a victory, it could appear to some that the "rivalry" was nothing more than marketing hype, with the Oswego win, perhaps not. Plattsburgh showed then can skate and they continue to improve their puck handling every game, giving up only 14 shots on goal while pulling off 34 shots was impressive.

PS
Was it just me, or was Ian DeLong the DBB - Designated Box Boy - he committed NO penalties, yet got to serve three;)
 
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Emery's Words - courtesy of the Plattsburgh Press-Republican:

Lakers win 5-2 despite being outshot 34-14

"I appreciate the work ethic of the players," said Plattsburgh State head coach Bob Emery. "But, we have to play smarter — keeping the puck out is the name of the game.

"This is the first adversity we've faced in quite a while. Now, we'll see where we go from here."

"Penalties are going to happen — there's nothing you can do about that," Emery said. "But, we had two veteran defensemen who made mental mistakes that led to the two goals. We can't have that."

"We were outshooting them, 18-1, in the second period," Emery said. "The goal (with 2 seconds left in the period) took some of the wind out of our sails."

"They scored two power-play goals and then we shut their powerplay down," Emery said. "Our powerplay is still a work in progress. We have some new guys on it this year and we need to get better.

"What I was most disappointed with tonight, however, was how we played on faceoffs."
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norm1909 said:
A great, well played game at the Stafford, and there was NO ONE in attendence:confused: :o :mad:

As I posted on the Oswego thread:
Tada, 0-9-1 becomes 1-9-1, a radar number, I like that.

Seriously, it was a good game that, as billed, could have gone either way, I think Gosek said it well:



The Lakers while significantly out shot, they exploited their chances, and won, congratulations. Their new record is 29-65-5; just 36 more consecutive wins and they will even up the score;)

The rivalry is strengthened, following 10 failed attempts at a victory, it could appear to some that the "rivalry" was nothing more than marketing hype, with the Oswego win, perhaps not. Plattsburgh showed then can skate and they continue to improve their puck handling every game, giving up only 14 shots on goal while pulling off 34 shots was impressive.

PS
Was it just me, or was Ian DeLong the DBB - Designated Box Boy - he committed NO penalties, yet got to serve three;)
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Got to agree with you Norm, besides some shaky goaltending that was probably the most lopsided OSU/PSU game we've seen in some time. I didn't get the chance to listen to Duckys post game, but it would be interesting to see how many of Oswego's 14 SOG came on the power play. Not sure there is ever such thing as a "good" loss, but it may apply in this case. Great win for the Lakers as well, but I like my chances with this team. Can't wait to see them get out on a big sheet of ice. At the end of the game it appeared Emery said something to Williams as they exited the bench, did it go something like "Get ready your the new #1 now" ? I thought all 4 of Plattsburgh's line really put forth an excellent effort, and the defense for the most part was just solid.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
At the end of the game it appeared Emery said something to Williams as they exited the bench, did it go something like "Get ready your the new #1 now" ?
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Question on this for any who've happened to make both weekends so far: since Leis' night vs. Oswego skews everything pretty badly for him (9 for 13 sounds like a good series for a batter, not an off night for a goalie), was what transpired this weekend in line with the skill the two showed versus Geneseo and Brockport? I think I recall some concern about Leis controlling rebounds in the opener, but has Williams clearly established himself in contrast to that at this point?
 
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I think Williams is by far the better goaltender. Even during the pre-season red and white game, it seemed like Williams had it together, Leis was just not that good, and the other guy...eh...basically two out of three goaltenders for the squad looked pretty weak out there. And THAT scared me some.

Leis showed some promise against Geneseo; although it was clear his confidence was going to be in question the next time he stepped foot on the ice. When Williams took the net against Brockport, there was a noticeable presence in net. Even when he played the puck away from the net, there still was a sense of "Don't worry; I got this" - a confidence Leis has been unable to display.

From that Brockport game forward, I felt Williams would definitely be our first choice for goaltending. And, watching him play this past weekend really sealed the deal for me - I had assumed he won out as the better goaltender with his start against Cortland.

After seeing Leis in net for the Oswego game though, holy freakin' hell man...That was horrendous. While I am not totally convinced Williams would have held the Lakers to a goal or two either, there is something to be said about confidence and skillfully stopping/blocking shots. Yes, comparing Oswego to Cortland is a bit unfair for determining goalies, but ... can the goaltending be any worse than Leis? I don't think so.
 
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TacoRob said:
Even when he played the puck away from the net, there still was a sense of "Don't worry; I got this" - a confidence Leis has been unable to display.
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Please tell me your smoking some good stuff? while I'm not convinced that either goalie has "taken over" as the #1 guy for Emery I don't think that Leis was that bad. Leis seems to over play his positioning and does sometimes take himself right out of the play, he does however handle to puck well outside of the crease. Williams is much more calm and collected in the net and you can see his confidence. HOWEVER, he doesn't handle the puck as well as Leis on dump ins, as could be seen on many occasions in both the Cortland and Brockport games as he would try to clear the puck and put it right onto the stick of the opposing team. again, I don't know that either goalie has asserted himself as Emery's #1 guy, but I do have a feeling that we will see Williams against Morrisville. from then on, who knows.
 
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LoudHorns31 said:
Please tell me your smoking some good stuff? while I'm not convinced that either goalie has "taken over" as the #1 guy for Emery I don't think that Leis was that bad. Leis seems to over play his positioning and does sometimes take himself right out of the play, he does however handle to puck well outside of the crease. Williams is much more calm and collected in the net and you can see his confidence. HOWEVER, he doesn't handle the puck as well as Leis on dump ins, as could be seen on many occasions in both the Cortland and Brockport games as he would try to clear the puck and put it right onto the stick of the opposing team. again, I don't know that either goalie has asserted himself as Emery's #1 guy, but I do have a feeling that we will see Williams against Morrisville. from then on, who knows.
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I agree Leis seemed to put himself out of position but did well to recover most of the time. I had the idea that Leis got the start because he seems better with the dump in's and playing the puck. Confidence wise the goalie needs that but the team needs that in the goalie and that I didn't see against Oswego. It seemed like the defenseman didn't want to attack the rush because they didn't want to let the guy behind them. They played back which caused the low number of shots because it clogged up the zone but does allow the other team to play in the zone more. Leis played better than what the stats show and KGT well he played the best game of his carrier in my opinion. I am wondering if we are going to see Rossy against Morrisville.
 
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LoudHorns31 said:
Please tell me your smoking some good stuff? while I'm not convinced that either goalie has "taken over" as the #1 guy for Emery I don't think that Leis was that bad. Leis seems to over play his positioning and does sometimes take himself right out of the play, he does however handle to puck well outside of the crease. Williams is much more calm and collected in the net and you can see his confidence. HOWEVER, he doesn't handle the puck as well as Leis on dump ins, as could be seen on many occasions in both the Cortland and Brockport games as he would try to clear the puck and put it right onto the stick of the opposing team. again, I don't know that either goalie has asserted himself as Emery's #1 guy, but I do have a feeling that we will see Williams against Morrisville. from then on, who knows.
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Well put. I would say that after two games (which is hardly enough to make a definitive decision), I like Williams better, I doubt the coaches have made a decision yet. Leis showed me enough that he certainly should not be given up on already. Quite the opposite. Considering how nervous he looked in the first couple periods of his first game, I would say his confidence is growing every time he takes the ice. Giving up a couple of power play goals to Oswego is no shameful matter. The fourth goal was an odd-man rush because of Plattsburgh's D pinching in and the last one was an empty netter. Other than a goal that I thought he got himself out of position for scrambling around, I thought the goals were not his fault.

This is going to be a really good team come March. It seems their only weakness is inexperience in goal. Time should fix that in the next several months.
 
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Let's see. Two PP goals, one with 2 seconds left in the period and an empty netter. Sure blame the goalie (I kinda think that Leis did let his guard down at the end of the second, but...). How about a overall lack of discipline and focus from the other 5? Two seconds left! You can't let them get a shot on goal. Where were the wingers on the face off? Oswego put the boys in their place. YOU CAN'T WIN GAMES ON REPUTATION AGAINST SOLID TEAMS. Me thinks too many new guys think that P on their sweater is a Superman S. The best thing for this team to do is get over themselves and play with a little more, lot more, of a chip on their shoulders. Let's face it, the Lakers wanted it more. Were the Cards thinking that they'd just roll over for them? LAST year was last year. New season boys. Stop reading your own press and looking at the polls. Your not a number one team. BTW, we've got two good goalies in Leis and Williams with Leis having the edge IMO. Now the guys in front of them need to step up.
 
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LoudHorns31 said:
while I'm not convinced that either goalie has "taken over" as the #1 guy for Emery I don't think that Leis was that bad. Leis seems to over play his positioning and does sometimes take himself right out of the play, he does however handle to puck well outside of the crease. Williams is much more calm and collected in the net and you can see his confidence.
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I would agree that we do not have a solid number one goaltender at this point; but given the choice between the two I would have to vote for Williams as primary and an empty net as secondary :D Ok ok, that was a bit of sarcasm there, but seriously I don't know how we can entertain the idea of a goalie who, when facing shots, gives us: One stop...two stops...goal. One stop...two stops...goal. One stop...two stops...goal. Unless we have an offense that is going to consistently blast four goals a game, this is not a good plan.

I heard that I was given a somewhat (dis)honorable mention on Behind the Bench - and I would like to hear the audio to see what thoughts were mentioned. Unfortunately, the outdated RealPlayer stream doesn't play nicely on my MacBook (RealPlayer 11 can't even "see" the WIRY stream correctly; and even worse RealPlayer 10 wants to install old old OLD libraries - a no go).

We're all one big family here in Cardinal Country; but I feel if we can't call our own weaknesses then we are definitely doing a disservice to ourselves and the team. I'm a huge fan of the Cardinals; don't get me wrong. I have seen players perform at a higher level (particularly when I graduated PSU in 2001 when the team won the championship) and it was because of solid team play, rock solid goaltending, and a sense of motivation when they hit the ice. That's all. And until they bring that energy and passion back to the ice, I guess I'm just going to be a buzz kill lol
 
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behind the bench talked about your "writeup", don't remember exacts but both Ducky and Bob both pretty much disagreed with what you said. Bob blamed most of the goals on the players in front of Leis. out of the 4 goals that Leis allowed, Bob had already gone back over the goals and found where specific skaters didn't do their jobs and that lead to the goals. now I'm not saying that Leis is not to blame on any of the goals, but come on, you have to point the finger at more than one person for this loss.
 
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Anyone know what the update is on Schuelter? Has the league suspended him? and if not, what will be the in-team suspension?

I listened to behind the bench and coach Emery sounded none-to-pleased with Vic.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Anyone know what the update is on Schuelter? Has the league suspended him? and if not, what will be the in-team suspension?

I listened to behind the bench and coach Emery sounded none-to-pleased with Vic.
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from my vantage point I didn't see a dirty hit, but I guess I didn't have a very good view of it. Emery said that there would be disciplinary measures and I'm assuming that Vic will sit at-least 1 game. on a side note, I hope that Rodrigues wasn't seriously injured as last we had heard he was sore, but not much more.
 
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