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Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition

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I know its a longshot, but what if Brown runs the table in the ECAC tourney? In that case they would undoubtedly be a four seed and Quinnipiac seemingly wouldn't be able to go Providence.

Excuse me if that has already been addressed in this lengthy thread.
 
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Felger said:
I know its a longshot, but what if Brown runs the table in the ECAC tourney? In that case they would undoubtedly be a four seed and Quinnipiac seemingly wouldn't be able to go Providence.

Excuse me if that has already been addressed in this lengthy thread.
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This is exactly correct. If Brown runs the table, they would under some scenarios come out 16th, and some even lower, so obviously a 4th seed. Then, First priority is Host Schools play at home. So, Quinnipiac would play at Manchester.
 
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From Moy's column this morning:

First things is first. For those of you looking at the PWR and the RPI, you will see that Colorado College is at .5000 in the RPI, but it is not a TUC. Why? The actual RPI is .49996, so rounding up, it’s .5000.
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WOW... talk about being close to the line. And Wisco REALLY wants CC to stay on the bottom of the TUCliff, with UNO staying at the top. It's a 4 game flip on games vs TUC for them.
 
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And does anybody know whether the committee rounds before applying the rule? Has there ever been a case when it made a difference? Or are we just guessing, like the "PWR ties split by RPI rule?" Obviously, if CC loses tonight they'll end up well below the line, and I think if they win tonight and lose tomorrow they'll finish above it, so this isn't a case where it matters. Still, so we know?
 
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Numbers said:
This is exactly correct. If Brown runs the table, they would under some scenarios come out 16th, and some even lower, so obviously a 4th seed. Then, First priority is Host Schools play at home. So, Quinnipiac would play at Manchester.
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Would that put UML in Providence? I believe UML is looking at being shipped west if UNH falls to a 4th seed.
 
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Would that put UML in Providence? I believe UML is looking at being shipped west if UNH falls to a 4th seed.
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Assume UML remains a #1. In fact, assume they remain #4 overall. Now, there are really 2 cases at work here:
First, UNH falls to a #4 (very possible but not at guaranteed should they lose tonight). Then, the First Priority is Host schools at home. Therefore, UNH is at Manchester. Then, #1s in order.
1st case: Brown does not qualify. Then, QU goes to Providence. Minny to Rapids. Miami to Toledo. Lowell to Manchester. Whoops. Can't have Lowell v UNH. This means some #1s have to change spots. Most reasonable would be to swap QU/Lowell, but then QU v UNH doesn't look good, because UNH is at home, and it is a high #4. So, you are right. It's likely in that case that Miami goes to Manchester, and Lowell goes to Toledo. This would make the Committee's head explode.
2nd case: Brown also qualifies. Now, we have Brown at Providence, likely as #16. QU can't play there. QU could play at UNH, but for the above reasons, likely wouldn't. Therefore, QU to Toledo. Then, Minny to Rapids. Miami to Manchester. Lowell to Providence to avoid the UNH game. This would make the Committee's head and entire bodies explode.
So, thanks for bringing it up. It's fun to think about.
 
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Ain't just the committee's heads 'sploding on this one :) Thanks for the explanation. :D

Semi-related question: Is the 'host school' thing based on financial situations? I'm guessing that NCAA hockey regionals don't make much (any?) money so schools pony up some $$ to help defray the costs in return for 'host' status? Accurate?
 
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If lowell remains a #1 seed how would they get shipped away from Manchester? Number one seeds get priority and Manchester is just as much home for the riverhawks as it is for unh. So wouldn't unh get shipped elsewhere?
 
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If lowell remains a #1 seed how would they get shipped away from Manchester? Number one seeds get priority and Manchester is just as much home for the riverhawks as it is for unh. So wouldn't unh get shipped elsewhere?
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UNH is the host school for Manchester, so they have to play there.
 
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Skeeter206 said:
I will be ****ed if lowell plays anywhere but Manchester... That's a 45 minute drive from lowell, providence is double that, and Toledo and Grand Rapids are 11+ hours away.
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You will not be aone, I assure you.
 
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You will not be aone, I assure you.
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Long shot because unh hasnt won back to back games since , 1929, but if they take two from pc , they become 4 th in power.leaving it up to HE playoffs for that # 1 seed .
 
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unh1982 said:
Long shot because unh hasnt won back to back games since , 1929, but if they take two from pc , they become 4 th in power.leaving it up to HE playoffs for that # 1 seed .
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They'd go from 10th to 4th?
 
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UNH is the host school for Manchester, so they have to play there.
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IF Lowell is a 1 and UNH is a 4 I think we'd get (my) our wish and QU would be sent to Manchester and we get Providence.
 
unh1982 said:
Long shot because unh hasnt won back to back games since , 1929, but if they take two from pc , they become 4 th in power.leaving it up to HE playoffs for that # 1 seed .
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Did you seriously just come into the PAIRWISE thread and call them power rankings?
 
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If WMU loses to Michigan tonight they will probably drop down one or two, correct? But, since they wouldn't be playing next weekend their chances of making the tournament will be questionable, right? Would they still have a chance? Who are the teams WMU needs help from?
 
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aygwm2 said:
If WMU loses to Michigan tonight they will probably drop down one or two, correct? But, since they wouldn't be playing next weekend their chances of making the tournament will be questionable, right? Would they still have a chance? Who are the teams WMU needs help from?
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Link for current PWR here on uscho.com : http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/

For you, and others with similar questions:
Note WMU's RPI: =.5345. Note those teams below them: NoDame at .5430 is currently 14th. Then, the next is Union at .5237. It goes down from there.
Then, note WMU's TUC record: = 7-5-4 = .5625. Note it is a good bit better than anyone below them.

Now, if Michigan defeats WMU, Michigan will also become a TUC (you can't see that on the PWR list, but click on the RPI list and it will become evident. So, a few things happen:
1) WMU's RPI will drop, but not much.
2) What is WMU's record against Michigan? I don't know off hand, but it will be at least 0-2.

The immediate effect would be: WMU would lose the compare with NoDame. But, I believe, no other compares, regardless of other results.

So, who should WMU fans pull for? Anyone playing the teams directly below WMU = Wisco's opponents, Union. RPI, Prov, BU = whoever plays them. Basically, you want no upsets in the conference final rounds.
 
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Numbers said:
Link for current PWR here on uscho.com : http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/

For you, and others with similar questions:
Note WMU's RPI: =.5345. Note those teams below them: NoDame at .5430 is currently 14th. Then, the next is Union at .5237. It goes down from there.
Then, note WMU's TUC record: = 7-5-4 = .5625. Note it is a good bit better than anyone below them.

Now, if Michigan defeats WMU, Michigan will also become a TUC (you can't see that on the PWR list, but click on the RPI list and it will become evident. So, a few things happen:
1) WMU's RPI will drop, but not much.
2) What is WMU's record against Michigan? I don't know off hand, but it will be at least 0-2. Currently, WMU 3 wins, 2 losses vs UMich

The immediate effect would be: WMU would lose the compare with NoDame. But, I believe, no other compares, regardless of other results.

So, who should WMU fans pull for? Anyone playing the teams directly below WMU = Wisco's opponents, Union. RPI, Prov, BU = whoever plays them. Basically, you want no upsets in the conference final rounds.
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Thanks! I'm not a big Broncos fan, but they seem to be dangerously close to falling out of consideration if they don't win tonight.
 
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