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Packers 2010 Regular Season - ARodg and Woody in Clay-mation

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I'm a fan of a simple plan executed well, rather than a complex plan executed poorly. A few examples...back in the hayday of Ahman Green, everyone knew he was getting the ball, but the execution on the plays was surpurb. Sure, teams had to worry about Brett going over the top, but when they had leads, they still could run the ball very well. UW football in the Dayne era is another great example of execution. Everyone knews what's coming, yet he was almost unstoppable. So was Dallas and the Aikman years. There was no concern about creating match-ups. My guys are going to beat your guys, that's the plan. All these complex sub packages MM uses are crazy (and other teams as well). All that takes time on the practice field; less plays to practice would equal more practice on less plays, which should in turn equal better execution. Just my .02 worth.
Has anyone had a chance to watch "Lombardi" on HBO? If you have HBO, I suggest you do. I was working out of town and had an opportunity to watch. It's amazing. One of the biggest things I took away from it was John Madden talking about how he was a hotshot young coach that that thought he knew everything about football until he went to a football seminar that involved Lombardi. During Lombardi's presentation, he talked about the packers "power sweep" play for 2 hours. The fact that he knew that play inside and out is way more important than knowing 50 plays kinda.
 
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Good, good win. I don't think there is a bad win in the playoffs. It sure wasn't pretty....but I'm happy how the D stepped up when it had to. Now on to Atlanta!
 
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The fact that he knew that play inside and out is way more important than knowing 50 plays kinda.

Bingo. One guy out of place on a play?

On purpose: it's a whole new play. Different defense may be needed.
On accident: oops. Offense could be *ed.

GB is dangerous. Even with their struggles mid-year, I have said (and Shirtless can back me up on this) that if they make the playoffs, they could make some serious noise.
 
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I think having 3 games in a row against playoff caliber teams down the stretch and what essentially amounted to 2 NFC playoff games behind them before today really helped them stay composed when things didn't go their way. I don't see them being intimidated in Atlanta since they are playing well and know they can go toe to toe with the Falcons. They just can't afford another dropped TD. That's 3 in 5 games between Jennings in Detroit, Jennings against Chicago, and Jones today.
 
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Sorry if this story is common knowledge around here, but I hadn't heard it and thought it was worth sharing.
On draft day last year while I was still Director of College Scouting with the Bears, we had a lot of discussion about Starks. Three different people had graded Starks (the area scout, me and Jerry Angelo) and all three of us had high grades. Going into the draft, the running back position was not a big need because we had Matt Forte and had just signed Chester Taylor as a free agent. When we got to the 6th round and Starks was still on the board he stuck out like a sore thumb, we had to discuss him! There was another player who we also had a high grade on available. That was quarterback Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan. There was excellent discussion on the two players with some people favoring Starks and others favoring LeFevour. I was in Starks’ corner. The reason being his talent, and the plan was to carry only two quarterbacks on the active roster. With Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie under contract I did not see how LeFevour could make the team. I had watched Starks play live 4 times during his career; there was not a doubt in my mind that he would contribute to the Bears. I liked Dan LeFevour as well. He had great intangibles, is very smart, has a strong arm and was a fit for Mike Martz’ offense. But under the circumstances it would be difficult for him to make the team.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone…we couldn’t do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.

I then had to tell the player (a player that I had developed a good relationship with over the previous two years) that in fact we were not drafting him. Hearing a kid go from being extremely excited to silence was not easy. It was the most embarrassing moment I had experienced while scouting.

In my mind everything is about integrity and I felt our integrity had been damaged. We had told a player and his agent that we were going to draft him and then backed out of the deal. To make amends, we promised the agent that if Starks was still available in the 7th round we would draft him. Green Bay, though, took him about 10 picks later and the rest is history.

Looking back, I have no problem with Angelo’s decision to draft LeFevour. He is the General Manager and as such has final say in all football matters.

As a post script, LeFevour was released at the final cut and is now with Cincinnati and Starks ran for 123 yards on 23 carries in a playoff game. Good for you James! I’m proud of you. Good luck next week in Atlanta.
 
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Those stories are awesome. The history of sport is filled with those 51-49 type decisions where someone passed on Tarzan at the last second to draft Jane. Starks is simply a rookie who helped them win a playoff game at this point, but it already was the wrong move from the Bears' perspective because the guy they drafted has already shown he can contribute on an NFL level (not to mention for a rival) and their guy hasn't. One not so great one in Packers' lore. In 1981 the Packers' western scout had seen both players and wanted to take a safety out of USC with the #6 pick. Bart Starr had never seen him in person or worked him out, but decided he needed a QB and went with Rich Campbell who came in as damaged goods. The 49ers then took Ronnie Lott shortly after at #8. I remember hearing how Lindy Infante also really loved Barry Sanders but relented to Tom Braatz on Tony Mandrich.
 
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Tramon Williams, ladies and gentlemen. What a way to end the half. I was a little scared after they let Weems return that kick for the TD, but they regrouped nicely.
 
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I was trying to decide who to root for this afternoon, but honestly I'm feeling so good about the way they are playing I don't think it should matter as long as they are on their game. I guess I'd root for good field conditions because I think the Packers are better than either of their possible opponents and field conditions can certainly be an equalizer to talent. The Seattle weather and their field turf would seem to be preferrable over Chicago weather and the painted dirt at Soldier Field. Then I think about how awesome it would be if Virginia McCaskey had to hand over the Halas Trophy to the Packers at Soldier Field and I'm back to square one.
 
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I was trying to decide who to root for this afternoon, but honestly I'm feeling so good about the way they are playing I don't think it should matter as long as they are on their game. I guess I'd root for good field conditions because I think the Packers are better than either of their possible opponents and field conditions can certainly be an equalizer to talent. The Seattle weather and their field turf would seem to be preferrable over Chicago weather and the painted dirt at Soldier Field. Then I think about how awesome it would be if Virginia McCaskey had to hand over the Halas Trophy to the Packers at Soldier Field and I'm back to square one.

I want the Seahawks to win. Hands down. Not because I think it would be easier for the Pack to beat Seattle, because I don't, but because I simply loathe the Chicago Bears. A win over the Bears to make the Super Bowl would be far sweeter than a win over the Seahawks, but I just don't want to see the Bears win. Ever. I agree it would be poetic justice to get the Halas Trophy against the team that helped him become a legend. But I don't want the Bears to win, plain and simple. And should, heaven forbid, the Packers lay an egg next week and lose, I'd MUCH rather see Seattle in the Super Bowl than Chicago. Buck the Fears. Now transpose the "B" and the "F" and you have my true feelings.
 
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Not only do I want Seattle to lose, but I want them to lose AND want the entire northwest region of Washington to burn to the ground. Whatever smoldering mess remains may then sink into the Pacific Ocean never to be heard from again.

But maybe that's just me.
 
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Not only do I want Seattle to lose, but I want them to lose AND want the entire northwest region of Washington to burn to the ground. Whatever smoldering mess remains may then sink into the Pacific Ocean never to be heard from again.

But maybe that's just me.
For the most part I'd be ok with that too. I would've liked to see some of the sequoia trees first though
 
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POYB, you may have talked me into it. As much as I love the peotic justice, I know a few Chicago transplants and one native Wisconsinite who makes all good choices except which NFL team to root for. I probably couldn't talk to any of them for at least a month if this matchup happened and it didn't go well.
 
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POYB, you may have talked me into it. As much as I love the peotic justice, I know a few Chicago transplants and one native Wisconsinite who makes all good choices except which NFL team to root for. I probably couldn't talk to any of them for at least a month if this matchup happened and it didn't go well.

No!! Go Bears. Anything that brings any amount of happiness to the people of Seattle is...completely unacceptable.
 
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Bears/Packers in the NFC Championship would be epic. Despite the crushing loss one of them would have to feel.
 
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Booyah.
 
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Bears/Packers in the NFC Championship would be epic. Despite the crushing loss one of them would have to feel.

If Packers-Bears III happens, January 23rd will become a defining moment in the history of the rivalry. The loser won't be able to live it down for decades.

As much as I'd love to see the Bears suffer that, I won't be rooting for them today. The only way I'm ever rooting for the Bears is if they play al Qaeda.
 
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