Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

[OSUPBPMike]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

and Beckwith did a tremendous job as the back-up last season, playing sporadically and at a starter-caliber level without missing a beat after losing the job (to no fault of his own)

Let's also not forget the SUNYAC Semi vs. Morrisville where he had to come in baptism by fire style down 3-0 before the Lakers rallied to win.

 

[ThatGuy_11]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

very true. clutch is a good thing to have. i'm excited to see how this season pans out with some evidently talented folks comin in

 

[collegehcky2]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

and Beckwith did a tremendous job as the back-up last season, playing sporadically and at a starter-caliber level without missing a beat after losing the job (to no fault of his own)

Let's also not forget the SUNYAC Semi vs. Morrisville where he had to come in baptism by fire style down 3-0 before the Lakers rallied to win.

Let's not pretend like that was his first game. He's looked solid in his time between the pipes and if not for a lackluster offensive showing against Elmira we may have been talking about Oswego's even more stellar record so late into the season.

 

[OSUPBPMike]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

Let's not pretend like that was his first game. He's looked solid in his time between the pipes and if not for a lackluster offensive showing against Elmira we may have been talking about Oswego's even more stellar record so late into the season.

regardless, how many times do you think he'd come into a game in a 3-0 hole, let alone a playoff game?

Beyond that, it had been a few weeks since he'd last played as well.

 

[collegehcky2]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

regardless, how many times do you think he'd come into a game in a 3-0 hole, let alone a playoff game?

Beyond that, it had been a few weeks since he'd last played as well.

I'm not saying that it wasn't a tough situation, I'm just saying it's not necessarily "baptism by fire" he did play in some big games before he got hurt freshman year. The Elmira game at the CC he played really, really, really well despite giving up 4 goals. That game was pretty intense, If I call correctly.

I am not trying to be a dick, but baptism by fire implies he was fresh meat in the goal basically.

 

[mdmadison]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

I'm not saying that it wasn't a tough situation, I'm just saying it's not necessarily "baptism by fire" he did play in some big games before he got hurt freshman year. The Elmira game at the CC he played really, really, really well despite giving up 4 goals. That game was pretty intense, If I call correctly.

I am not trying to be a dick, but baptism by fire implies he was fresh meat in the goal basically.

Agree with analysis of the "Baptism by Fire" moniker, he had already started and played in several games prior to the M'ville game. Had he not been sick we wouldn't really be talking about KGT's performance. I think what should be mentioned is that it is very difficult for any goalie to come off the bench and perform or save a game. Beckwith has been a starter and I'll bet if you ask him he'll tell you he would rather start then come on in relief. If you watch Beckwith's style it is very laid back and a sort of "Iceman" attitude while KGT always appeared to be like a stallion waiting for the race to start. I tend to like Beckwith's style as it has a calming affect on the team while it has an unnerving affect on his opponents. That is the way he played for 2 years in Pembroke.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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I'm not saying that it wasn't a tough situation, I'm just saying it's not necessarily "baptism by fire" he did play in some big games before he got hurt freshman year. The Elmira game at the CC he played really, really, really well despite giving up 4 goals. That game was pretty intense, If I call correctly.

I am not trying to be a dick, but baptism by fire implies he was fresh meat in the goal basically.

You're correct. Beckwith was VERY good in that game for having given up four goals. That game was just ridiculous with non-stop action and rushes up and down the ice for both teams.

Tuttle, an all-american goaltender gave up 6 or 7 goals in that game IIRC and Beckwith was one of the big reasons why it wasn't Elmira: 8, Oswego: 6 or 7 (can't remember what the final ended up being)

I'm not worried about Beckwith at all.

I'm worried about the offense and leadership. You can't replace what Dormo, Musselwhite, and Lyon brought to that team last year.

We've seen this story before....Oswego has a great season and then they suffer a post-championship/or Frozen Four hang over the following season.

I think the best thing for the overall picture of the program is that Oswego LOST that game last year to SNC. I feel that if they had won, the team would have become the class of 2009 all over again that showed up to the rink expecting to win, rather than working to make it happen.

Last year's talented freshman class should be returning more hungry than ever to get back to the FF and hopefully the recruits Gosek has brought in will help balance out the losses and Oswego can still field a contending team.

One thing is for sure...Norwich, SNC, Plattsburgh are all loaded. Also, Elmira's recruiting class by all accounts is STELLAR.

Is it October yet?

 

[norm1909]

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Most importantly, Oswego's conference record of 118 penalties for 301 minutes (205/492 overall) should be easy to maintain, with Selleck and Rodrigues returning. They were in only second place, if non-tournament team Cortland's 131/322 - 201/497 record is included, but in any event they were for ahead of Plattsburgh’s 89/189 - 133/280.

 

[OSUPBPMike]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

Most importantly, Oswego's conference record of 118 penalties for 301 minutes (205/492 overall) should be easy to maintain, with Selleck and Rodrigues returning.

???

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

Most importantly, Oswego's conference record of 118 penalties for 301 minutes (205/492 overall) should be easy to maintain, with Selleck and Rodrigues returning. They were in only second place, if non-tournament team Cortland's 131/322 - 201/497 record is included, but in any event they were for ahead of Plattsburgh’s 89/189 - 133/280.

The Florida Panthers Organization says hello.

 

[OSUPBPMike]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

I'm not saying that it wasn't a tough situation, I'm just saying it's not necessarily "baptism by fire" he did play in some big games before he got hurt freshman year. The Elmira game at the CC he played really, really, really well despite giving up 4 goals. That game was pretty intense, If I call correctly.

I am not trying to be a dick, but baptism by fire implies he was fresh meat in the goal basically.

eh, no biggie... I just believe my color partner used the term when it happened. Bottom line is that I am very confident with Beckwith as the starter and I don't think there's much reason not to be.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

The Florida Panthers Organization says hello.

That's right , the heavy hitter was needed elsewhere, that may make things more difficult as they may need to rely more on Leimbrock - unless Boots can pick up the slack

 

[collegehcky2]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

eh, no biggie... I just believe my color partner used the term when it happened. Bottom line is that I am very confident with Beckwith as the starter and I don't think there's much reason not to be.

Hey, I don't expect you to know too much about Beckwith seeing as last year was your first in the booth. His freshman year he was really good before his injury.

You're correct. Beckwith was VERY good in that game for having given up four goals. That game was just ridiculous with non-stop action and rushes up and down the ice for both teams.

Tuttle, an all-american goaltender gave up 6 or 7 goals in that game IIRC and Beckwith was one of the big reasons why it wasn't Elmira: 8, Oswego: 6 or 7 (can't remember what the final ended up being)

I'm not worried about Beckwith at all.

Neither am I, KGT had the hot hand and his best asset was his lateral movement to make up for his aggressive goal play. Beckwith is more technically sound but doesn't challenge the puck the same way KGT does/did. (Not that you don't know that already)

I'm worried about the offense and leadership. You can't replace what Dormo, Musselwhite, and Lyon brought to that team last year.

This could be a concern, but between Mallaro who's gone through a lot of adversity in his short career, Whitelaw who was the vocal leader of the powerplay most of the season, Mather who flat out busts his *** all over the ice, and Kelly who finally found his niche in the program, I think the team will be ok.

We've seen this story before....Oswego has a great season and then they suffer a post-championship/or Frozen Four hang over the following season.

Last year's talented freshman class should be returning more hungry than ever to get back to the FF and hopefully the recruits Gosek has brought in will help balance out the losses and Oswego can still field a contending team.

Contending? Absolutely. Dominating? No. I think that a lot of the team's problems in the beginning of the season will come in finding secondary scoring. Even when the Selleck-Fox-Lags line struggled last year the Musselwhite-Leimbrock-Dormeidy would pick the team up. Unless the 10-11 team can find a similar compliment to their first line (which I fully expect to be Whitelaw-Fox-Laganiere) the team will struggle in my opinion (Yeah yeah, my opinion sucks).

One thing is for sure...Norwich, SNC, Plattsburgh are all loaded. Also, Elmira's recruiting class by all accounts is STELLAR.

Is it October yet?

Plattsburgh looks scary good again this year.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

Break up the Whitelaw/Moodie/Rodrigues line eh?

I didn't see the team enough last year to really hold an opinion on the matter, but when I did, that line had some tremendous chemistry. I could see them being similar to the McLaughlin/Ellis/Magagna line and for the most part staying together all four years.

But you're right...Gosek needs to find an adequate replacement to go with Lags/Fox and out of the returning players...Whitelaw probably has the most potential/upside.

Could Leimbrock fit with that line? Or heck...what about one of the D-I transfers coming in?

I heard a trade is currently in the works though...Eddie is floating the trade offer of a used bag of pucks and two brand new goals out to Norwich in exchange for Kyle Thomas.

Just rumor at this point though.

 

[OSUPBPMike]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

Break up the Whitelaw/Moodie/Rodrigues line eh?

I didn't see the team enough last year to really hold an opinion on the matter, but when I did, that line had some tremendous chemistry.

I don't see Gosek breaking up the Whitelaw/Rodrigues/Moodie line - they seemed to have such great chemistry last year and they're all the same age.

But you're right...Gosek needs to find an adequate replacement to go with Lags/Fox and out of the returning players...Whitelaw probably has the most potential/upside.

Could Leimbrock fit with that line?

random line guesses:

Fox/Laganiere/Leimbrock

 

[collegehcky2]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

Break up the Whitelaw/Moodie/Rodrigues line eh?

I didn't see the team enough last year to really hold an opinion on the matter, but when I did, that line had some tremendous chemistry. I could see them being similar to the McLaughlin/Ellis/Magagna line and for the most part staying together all four years.

-That line did have good chemistry last year, however, Whitelaw has too much raw skill to keep away from the team's best finisher (Laganiere).

-Another thing is that Whitelaw carries the puck well through the neutral zone, Fox and Laganiere relied on Selleck to bring the puck up the ice and start the rush. Just thinking back to the game Selleck missed, and the other he went to the locker room, that line had trouble bringing the puck through the neutral zone because Fox dumped the puck in too early allowing the defense to transition quickly and Laganiere tended to slow down the pace too much to lead to an odd man rush.

-Leimbrock would play well in between Rodrigues and Mather. Leimbrock throws the body around extremely well and became more difficult to move off the puck as the season wore on. I don't think he got enough credit for the space he opened up for Musselwhite in transition. A kid his size who can skate really allows more shifty/skilled players to find open space in the slot.

-Moodie is a player I really, really have a lot of hope for. He plays well in the corners and with a couple of older players around him (transfers?) he could develop his game a little more. (He needs to take more shots instead of holding the puck to wait for a passing lane.)

Of course, this all comes from me just sitting here and thinking about what each player did well last year. Obviously, certain players adapted their games to the roles they needed to play last year. So I am most maybe, probably, definitely wrong.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

-That line did have good chemistry last year, however, Whitelaw has too much raw skill to keep away from the team's best finisher (Laganiere).

-Another thing is that Whitelaw carries the puck well through the neutral zone, Fox and Laganiere relied on Selleck to bring the puck up the ice and start the rush. Just thinking back to the game Selleck missed, and the other he went to the locker room, that line had trouble bringing the puck through the neutral zone because Fox dumped the puck in too early allowing the defense to transition quickly and Laganiere tended to slow down the pace too much to lead to an odd man rush.

-Leimbrock would play well in between Rodrigues and Mather. Leimbrock throws the body around extremely well and became more difficult to move off the puck as the season wore on. I don't think he got enough credit for the space he opened up for Musselwhite in transition. A kid his size who can skate really allows more shifty/skilled players to find open space in the slot.

-Moodie is a player I really, really have a lot of hope for. He plays well in the corners and with a couple of older players around him (transfers?) he could develop his game a little more. (He needs to take more shots instead of holding the puck to wait for a passing lane.)

Of course, this all comes from me just sitting here and thinking about what each player did well last year. Obviously, certain players adapted their games to the roles they needed to play last year. So I am most maybe, probably, definitely wrong.

Hey it's why we're fans and not either on the bench coaching, or on the ice playing.

You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the game and well above average knowledge of what's actually happening on the ice.

During the past season when I was no longer at Oswego, I always looked for your recaps of the games because I knew I'd get an un-biased well-documented account of the games.

(Ducks) This is not a knock against the other Oswego posters

 

[MountieBoyOz]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

I'm actually looking forward to Beckwith having the starting job. Very technically sound goalie. Maybe a little of KGT's aggression at cutting angles will rub off on him.

 

[sticksnstones]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

I have a feeling Owen Kelly is gonna have a very very good season, and will be very important in the team's success this year.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: Oswego State 2010 Off-Season Thread: "Say it Ain't so Neil"

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