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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

RaceBoarder said:
It's an apples to oranges comparison in reality.

A NASCAR cup car weighs about 3,600lb. An F1 Car about 1,750. The classic LeMans "Prototype" car was about 2,000-2,200 lb

Once a Cup car gets rolling, it's very much resistant to any direction change compared to a European Sports car. European cars are much more nimble and hold a lot more technical advancement.
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But in all seriousness I thought F1 topped out around 210 and NASCAR made 240+.

Am I smoking crayons? (I deliberately did not look it up to check myself.)
 
Kepler said:
But in all seriousness I thought F1 topped out around 210 and NASCAR made 240+.

Am I smoking crayons? (I deliberately did not look it up to check myself.)
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NASCAR's current speed record was set in 1987 at Talledega with a lap that averaged 212 mph. After that restrictor plates were implemented. Since then NASCAR has worked to keep their cars at a top speed of around 200-205 entering a corner and bringing corner speeds well down from that.

F1 never has the space to reach speeds greater than the 210 you mentioned. If they were to run the OG LeMans circuit with the Mulsanne not having any chicanes, they would easily hit 250 MPH (400+ KPH since we're using Euro-speak, lol). The current record belongs to the Project 400 car put out by Pugeot. That was set in the late 80s at like 405 kph... That was 30+ years ago and aero was still being learned. (The car was designed to set that record, not survive the race, so take that for what it's worth).
 
The NASCAR team finished 39th at LeMans. 57 laps back, but they still finished, which is better than 21 teams can say.

Giovinazzi was one of the drivers on the winning Ferrari team.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
The NASCAR team finished 39th at LeMans. 57 laps back, but they still finished, which is better than 21 teams can say.
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Let's put that in perspective here.

They weren't competing against anyone. They could take it easy mechanically (and even then, they had to rebuild their gearbox with two hours to go) and didn't have to worry about fighting with anyone on the track. No need to make aggressive passes or even worry about rushing a pass on a bookmarker because they were worried about losing time. A number of the DNFs were due to just that reason, slower classes getting in the way of cars which didn't have the luxury to wait to pass them.

Take Toyota as an example. In the past, they had no competition to speak of. And they rarely ran into trouble. Until this year, when they had to push their car more than in the past, and that sometimes resulted in mechanical issues or crashes.
 
I watched a fair amount of this race as wallpaper. The late night parts were satisfying aesthetically.
 
Kepler said:
Haas on the front row. I've gotta call Gene!
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Hulk qualified 2nd, but got a three grid penalty for a red flag violation. After he finished his lap, he started another push lap, but was going to fast for the red flag that was flying. Too bad his team didn't tell him immediately- but at least he finished the lap before the flag came out.
 
MichVandal said:
Hulk qualified 2nd, but got a three grid penalty for a red flag violation. After he finished his lap, he started another push lap, but was going to fast for the red flag that was flying. Too bad his team didn't tell him immediately- but at least he finished the lap before the flag came out.
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And this is why we can't have nice things.

Well, this and Gene is a convicted criminal.

10-11. JFC, Ferrari.
 
Three straight incidents for Checo during qualifying and Ferrari starts 10 and 11 after penalties. Will be interesting to see how that group moves up since they're starting 10-12 today.
 
Bring back my wife's birthday twin.

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Kepler said:
Rob McElhenney just bought into Alpine.
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Who is he?

Alpine/Renault is a funny team. They actually have resources to be just like Mercedes or Ferrari (Fiat/Stelantis). But other than a few years of Alonso winning a championship, they have not done much as a team.

Curious team. It's almost as if the very public issues Ferrari have happen in the background, just more.
 
Kepler said:
Rob McElhenney just bought into Alpine.
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Along with Ryan Reynolds. They both also own Wrexham FC, a fifth tier English Football League team, which was the focus of their reality soccer show on Disney+.

However, they are just the notable names in a much larger investment into Alpine, led by RedBird Capital Partners, who also owns AC Milan, Toulouse FC, Pittsburgh Penguins, and a significant share of Fenway Sports Group.

The total investment figure I read is $218 million for a 24% stake in the team.
 
Lots of confidence in Red Bull to risk P1 for a single fastest lap point.

The NASCAR Chicago race later today should be interesting. Van Gisbergen starts 3rd and Button is in 8th. Normally these road course guys come on and handle their own but don't compete for a win because it's not a full-time car, but with a brand new course today they might have a fighter's chance.
 
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