Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

[MichVandal]

That track need to change the curbings. The drivers go beyond the lines because it faster, and all of the penalties rather ruins some really good racing there.

Make the official curbs narrower, and make it so rough that it makes it slower beyond the curbs. Rough enough to not put rubber down.

 

[Kepler]

Lots of confidence in Red Bull to risk P1 for a single fastest lap point.

That was ballsy. I loathe Red Bull but I was impressed. Best driver, best car, best engineer, best strategy, best crew. Makes every week a race for P2.

 

[solovsfett]

I’m sick of the 1-car dominance. Verstappen is no Senna or Jim Clark, not even close. But he’s had the best car, designer, etc and that’s all that matters. Like Vettel before him he’s good, but not next level great. Put him in indycar and he’s fighting for top 10’s like everyone else.

 

[Kepler]

I’m sick of the 1-car dominance. Verstappen is no Senna or Jim Clark, not even close. But he’s had the best car, designer, etc and that’s all that matters. Like Vettel before him he’s good, but not next level great. Put him in indycar and he’s fighting for top 10’s like everyone else.

I don't know anything but it seems to me that when he goes into the corners with somebody it's usually him who comes out, and that is about his ability to make decisions on the fly, right?

 

[solovsfett]

I don't know anything but it seems to me that when he goes into the corners with somebody it's usually him who comes out, and that is about his ability to make decisions on the fly, right?

There’s no comparable car on the grid. They have clear number 1’s on each team. Is he better than Perez? I believe so but if he was in an equal car to Alonso or Hamilton or a few others I don’t think he dispatches them easily.

 

[MichVandal]

I’m sick of the 1-car dominance. Verstappen is no Senna or Jim Clark, not even close. But he’s had the best car, designer, etc and that’s all that matters. Like Vettel before him he’s good, but not next level great. Put him in indycar and he’s fighting for top 10’s like everyone else.

That’s F1. One team gets it the most right and dominates. And it’s been that way ever since I started watching. It’s funny you use Clark and Senna who both benefitted by a dominant car.

Honestly, Indy isn’t much better with Penske and Ganassi doing most of the winning.

 

[Kepler]

That’s F1. One team gets it the most right and dominates. And it’s been that way ever since I started watching. It’s funny you use Clark and Senna who both benefitted by a dominant car.

Honestly, Indy isn’t much better with Penske and Ganassi doing most of the winning.

F1 driver's champion, percentage of possible points:

00 .64 Schumacher
01 .72 Schumacher
02 .84 Schumacher
03 .58 Schumacher
04 .82 Schumacher
05 .70 Alonso
06 .74 Alonso
07 .64 Raikonnen
08 .54 Hamilton
09 .55 Button
10 .53 Vettel
11 .82 Vettel
12 .56 Vettel
13 .84 Vettel
14 .77 Hamilton
15 .80 Hamilton
16 .73 Rosberg
17 .73 Hamilton
18 .78 Hamilton
19 .76 Hamilton
20 .79 Hamilton
21 .70 Verstappen
22 .76 Verstappen

 

[RaceBoarder]

I'm pretty sure Josh Revell will be making a video about this week's NASCAR race, lol...

Shane Van Gisbergen is knocking on the door at the Chicago Street Race.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

I'm pretty sure Josh Revell will be making a video about this week's NASCAR race, lol...

Shane Van Gisbergen is knocking on the door at the Chicago Street Race.

First driver in 60 years to win his debut. I didn't think about it until they mentioned it at the end that he's used to driving right seat cars so he he was doing all of his shifting with the opposite hand.

 

[solovsfett]

That’s F1. One team gets it the most right and dominates. And it’s been that way ever since I started watching. It’s funny you use Clark and Senna who both benefitted by a dominant car.

Honestly, Indy isn’t much better with Penske and Ganassi doing most of the winning.

Jim Clark showed his prowess by racing saloon cars as well and won the INDY 500 and an INDYCAR a race in Milwaukee. He also raced once in nascar and started toward the rear in Darlington and iirc finished 12th. Very respectable for not having raced those cars before.

Senna also showed his talent in other cars. In sports cars iirc he ran a test and in 5 laps at Nurburgring iirc he was a full 3 seconds faster than the factory driver. Then he tested a Penske INDYCAR at firebird in Phoenix in 1992 and ran a full second ahead of Emerson Fittipaldi.

Verstappen has yet to show that kind of prodigious talent let alone take a crap team like Toleman and win Monaco (yes, Senna was robbed, he should have won but for Prost crying about the conditions). He also elevated Lotus and drove to pole in a williams that was not at all to his liking in imola.

 

[MichVandal]

I know what both Clark and Senna did. But they also benefitted from having the dominant car.

 

[Kepler]

Mercedes 12/15 at Silverstone after the practice sessions.

OK, what the f-ck? Am I now living in a world where Williams is going to be finishing better than Mercedes?

 

[MichVandal]

Mercedes 12/15 at Silverstone after the practice sessions.

OK, what the f-ck? Am I now living in a world where Williams is going to be finishing better than Mercedes?

Could be that Williams is really designed for this track- they are really quick this weekend.

But seeing over a number of weekends, I think one of Mercedes' core problems is a lack of correlation between the models and the car. Over many weekends, they are taking all three practice sessions to dial in their car. And then add that to the lack of performance last week when they had one practice session to dial in the car. That suggests to me that the base set up they come with isn't very good, meaning that the simulator is not that close to the car. And it's taking them a pretty long time to really dial in the aero package- they are making great strides, but the progress isn't as steady as the previous rules.

As a Hamilton fan, it's pretty disappointing that it appears that Mercedes does not really have a good grasp on the new aero.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Could be that Williams is really designed for this track- they are really quick this weekend.

But seeing over a number of weekends, I think one of Mercedes' core problems is a lack of correlation between the models and the car. Over many weekends, they are taking all three practice sessions to dial in their car. And then add that to the lack of performance last week when they had one practice session to dial in the car. That suggests to me that the base set up they come with isn't very good, meaning that the simulator is not that close to the car. And it's taking them a pretty long time to really dial in the aero package- they are making great strides, but the progress isn't as steady as the previous rules.

As a Hamilton fan, it's pretty disappointing that it appears that Mercedes does not really have a good grasp on the new aero.

Or Mick Schumacher is not as good in the simulator as they are making him out to be. Just saying...

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Nyck de Vries is out. Daniel Ricciardo is in at AlphaTauri. Starting at Hungary.

It's a cruel sport...

 

[Kepler]

Nyck de Vries is out. Daniel Ricciardo is in at AlphaTauri. Starting at Hungary.

It's a cruel sport...

Whoa!!!

 

[MichVandal]

Nyck de Vries is out. Daniel Ricciardo is in at AlphaTauri. Starting at Hungary.

It's a cruel sport...

More cruel when the team is Red Bull. They do this mid season change quite a bit more often than the rest of the field combined.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

More cruel when the team is Red Bull. They do this mid season change quite a bit more often than the rest of the field combined.

And thus it's no surprise the Red Bull junior program absolutely sucks these days. Because no one wants to sign with them.

They were good when they were the only junior program in existence (pretty much started up when Renault and Mercedes dropped their original junior driver programs -- remember when Michael Schumacher was a Mercedes junior driver?). But when everyone saw how successful the Red Bull junior driver program was (and it was -- Vettel, Buemi, Klien, Alguersuari, Liuzzi, Ricciardo, Vergne, Kvyat, Sainz, and at the tail end of their success, Gasly and Albon), they all started one. Heck, even Williams developed one (which Logan Sargeant was in).

Now, no kid wants to sign with Red Bull. Just look through the F2 and F3 ranks -- if you ranked them all, the Red Bull junior drivers are essentially all on the bottom. Even Max Verstappen wasn't really a Red Bull junior driver. He signed with them as a "regular" driver, as he wasn't hooked up with any junior driver program. He was also eyeballing Mercedes. Red Bull won the Max lottery because they promised him an F1 ride immediately. It had nothing to do with bringing him in as a junior driver and grooming him in the junior series.

Their "greatest" product nowadays is Yuki Tsunoda, who's only still in that seat because of Honda (and the fact they have nobody else to replace him). Liam Lawson is the only current possibility of moving into F1, but some are still lukewarm on him. And note they didn't pick him to replace de Vries. Dennis Hauger is the only other Red Bull junior driver who is accumulating a decent resume. The rest of them are miles away from being F1 material.

 

[Kepler]

I'm amazed nobody wants to get into Red Bull just because their car is so good.

But I guess they think it's better to be developed elsewhere, make F1 with a backmarker and then jump, like Checo.

 

[Kepler]

Even Max Verstappen wasn't really a Red Bull junior driver. He signed with them as a "regular" driver, as he wasn't hooked up with any junior driver program. He was also eyeballing Mercedes. Red Bull won the Max lottery because they promised him an F1 ride immediately.

This is fascinating. Mercedes could have been HAM/VER. I loathe Max but I think he really dodged a bullet.

Does that mean RIC would have stuck at Red Bull and been their #1? That would have been a different edition of the multiverse.