What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

MattS said:
The problem I have is why update the car if it is going to look and handle the same? I don't think Indycar has to totally go to a F1 nose, but dang that thing looks the same as a 1985 indycar nose. If I wanted to watch vintage racing I would do just that.
Click to expand...

You precieve that they will drive the same just because of the nose? I thought one of the main drivers of this re-do is the fact that the current cars were designed to do ovals, and not road courses. There's more to that than just aero.

Also, how can you tell how the car handles by watching it? Indycar isn't the leading edge of technolgy- heck, even F1 is barely. So what's wrong with what happened in the 80's that you don't want to watch cars like that? Seemed like good racing to me.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

alfablue said:
You precieve that they will drive the same just because of the nose? I thought one of the main drivers of this re-do is the fact that the current cars were designed to do ovals, and not road courses. There's more to that than just aero.

Also, how can you tell how the car handles by watching it? Indycar isn't the leading edge of technolgy- heck, even F1 is barely. So what's wrong with what happened in the 80's that you don't want to watch cars like that? Seemed like good racing to me.
Click to expand...

You're right I have no idea how the car will handle. I am not sure why I even wrote that part of it. :o

I guess I should be more clear....I don't want to watch new Indycar cars that look like they were designed in the 1980's. Just like I don't want to watch modern F1 cars that look like they are from that era either. I liked most of the racing back then but that doesn't mean I want to go back to watching cars from then. I want that type of racing with modern looking cars. I don't think that is an impossible thing to ask.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

alfablue said:
I'm ok with the front- knowing that the F1 front looks more "cool", but also recognizing that it's part of the reason that F1 cars can't play well together- far too much reliance on downforce. Indycar doesn't realy need cars that scream downforce, vs just having enough. IMHO, F1 needs to scale back, quite a bit, the amount of downforce as well as the carbon brakes so that 1) the cars can race closer together, and 2) you can have cars that *can* outbrake each other every once in a while. But that's just me, remembering the good old days of the 80's.
Click to expand...

great ideas! the 80's to me were glory years for F1 in terms of close racing amongst the top guys
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

MattS said:
You're right I have no idea how the car will handle. I am not sure why I even wrote that part of it. :o

I guess I should be more clear....I don't want to watch new Indycar cars that look like they were designed in the 1980's. Just like I don't want to watch modern F1 cars that look like they are from that era either. I liked most of the racing back then but that doesn't mean I want to go back to watching cars from then. I want that type of racing with modern looking cars. I don't think that is an impossible thing to ask.
Click to expand...

What does "modern" mean?

I know I can tell the difference in the general eras of most motorsports, but I'm not really sure what aspects of the design make it modern. The high nose, basic drop to a full wing design is pretty old, too- remember the Reynard that JV won the 500 with....

That's a pretty tough standard that's quite hard to define. I sure can't answer it.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

alfablue said:
What does "modern" mean?

I know I can tell the difference in the general eras of most motorsports, but I'm not really sure what aspects of the design make it modern. The high nose, basic drop to a full wing design is pretty old, too- remember the Reynard that JV won the 500 with....

That's a pretty tough standard that's quite hard to define. I sure can't answer it.
Click to expand...

Yeah, "modern" is a bit of a nebulous term, but I am positive most of us would know a modern looking race car when we see it. Just like we would know the difference between a 1985 Chevy and a 2011 chevy. One looks modern the other doesn't. I don't think most open wheel race fans when shown a picture of the test car would not use the term modern to describe it. For me, the front wing and nose looks too boxy to be called modern. The side pods are just plain wrong. The same goes for the rear "bumper".
 
Last edited:
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

Sometimes I feel like it is one step forward and then one step back with Indycar anymore. So more years of bad ABC coverage....

ABC and Indycar extend TV deal

I can understand the Indy 500 since it has been on forever on ABC, but any more than that? I am going to assume that neither Fox, CBS or NBC (not VS) couldn't be convinced to show some races.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

MattS said:
Sometimes I feel like it is one step forward and then one step back with Indycar anymore. So more years of bad ABC coverage....

ABC and Indycar extend TV deal

I can understand the Indy 500 since it has been on forever on ABC, but any more than that? I am going to assume that neither Fox, CBS or NBC (not VS) couldn't be convinced to show some races.
Click to expand...

That actually suprises me. I thought it was going to NBC. But I think I've been reading fact that Vs is showing the races incorrectly- now I think IndyCar is PAYING to put them on... Wow.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

alfablue said:
That actually suprises me. I thought it was going to NBC. But I think I've been reading fact that Vs is showing the races incorrectly- now I think IndyCar is PAYING to put them on... Wow.
Click to expand...

I don't understand. paying versus?
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

Apparently, the Austin F1 race has been pushed back to November in order to get better weather (and also give the track more time to be finished).

solovsfett said:
I don't understand. paying versus?
Click to expand...
Also known as a time-buy. The organization pays the station for the time, and then they get to keep all the ad revenue.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

Indycar. Thought this was a world class series.

Maybe not.

Terrible.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

alfablue said:
Indycar. Thought this was a world class series.

Maybe not.

Terrible.
Click to expand...

Who's running this circus? Throw a green when it's raining so hard that there's an immdeiate Red? And thanks to a bad start, the what happenend during the moronic start counts as the finish.

huh?

Good for Will Power, since he crashed out, and would have finished poorly, and now he's 5th.

Will Power was interviewed and flat out said that Barnhard has to go. Interesting.

Very anti-climatic finish.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

alfablue said:
Who's running this circus? Throw a green when it's raining so hard that there's an immdeiate Red? And thanks to a bad start, the what happenend during the moronic start counts as the finish.

huh?

Good for Will Power, since he crashed out, and would have finished poorly, and now he's 5th.

Will Power was interviewed and flat out said that Barnhard has to go. Interesting.

Very anti-climatic finish.
Click to expand...

Brian Barnhart lost his job today if there's any credibility to be had for the Indycar leadership. plain and simple.

also - Indycar should pay for the parts for all the cars damaged on that re-start.

wow. I love Indycar but this nonsense needs to stop and the only way I see it stopping (see Toronto as well) is Barnhart gets sent packing.

EDIT - and if they fine Will Power for flipping them off they're so far beyond wrong I'm going to go off as a fan. and I don't think Robin Miller has the time to clean up the expletive-laden missive I'd send for publication
 
Last edited:
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

solovsfett said:
EDIT - and if they fine Will Power for flipping them off they're so far beyond wrong I'm going to go off as a fan. and I don't think Robin Miller has the time to clean up the expletive-laden missive I'd send for publication
Click to expand...

Tony Kanaan has offered to pay his fine on Twitter.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

I also lost fan respect for Dario today- blaming Sato for him not moving. It was clear to me that Dario crowded down, and then blamed Takumo. And them whined about it.

And I know you guys like Scheckter, but he's a little TOO agressive sometimes. He was great on the start and re-starts, but faded, and then when he crowded Marco- maybe that should be blamed on the spotter. But, geeze.

I really, really want to enjoy this racing. Between the driving and the officiating, though..... And then you can see that in some of the interviews of the more calm drivers.
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

alfablue said:
I also lost fan respect for Dario today- blaming Sato for him not moving. It was clear to me that Dario crowded down, and then blamed Takumo. And them whined about it.

I really, really want to enjoy this racing. Between the driving and the officiating, though..... And then you can see that in some of the interviews of the more calm drivers.
Click to expand...

Dario is SUCH a whiner! If we read into what Dario is saying, they should just end the season now and crowd his whiney *** the champion. He clearly crashed Power out a few races ago and did not get put on probation. Now, Sato does nothing wrong, he held his line. I guess all Dario wants is for everyone to get out of his way so he can "win". Dario should have given him more room, considering he had a big points lead, why take the chance? FU Dario.

I must admit my sons got a big laugh out of the double bird by Power, but it was so deserved. I think BB decided to call the race just to calm things down and not screw up Danica, RHR and Power. I will give him credit for saying he screwed up, but that mistake was way too big of one to be overlooked. Everyone was saying don't start, but they did. As as Alpha said, to re-start, then red flag and call it just shows how bad of a call it was. BB is making the FIA and BE looks like choir boys.

And I loved Danica screwed up the worst on the re-start. I didn't know RHR got passed on the re-start either. That wasn't shown or re-played very clearly either on abc. So apparently some think Servia won?

And the pre-amble thing with Dallara doing all the areo kits next year because the owners whined about it was a real kick in the nuts too. Honestly, the new car looks alot like the old car, why even change at all? (The front is an improvement on the new car, but the back sucks). Just stick the new engines onto the old chassis and call it a day.

And prior to that abc is continuing forever as far as broadcasting goes was massively disappointing. I thought for sure nbc would run with it as they own vs and do some nice cross channel promoting and producing.

I guess the bottom line is no one watches the races on tv, no one wants to buy advertising on tv, no one ewants to produce it on tv, no one goes to the races (the NH crowd was bad), honestly, why bother? I just don't know......
 
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

alfablue said:
I also lost fan respect for Dario today- blaming Sato for him not moving. It was clear to me that Dario crowded down, and then blamed Takumo. And them whined about it.

And I know you guys like Scheckter, but he's a little TOO agressive sometimes. He was great on the start and re-starts, but faded, and then when he crowded Marco- maybe that should be blamed on the spotter. But, geeze.

I really, really want to enjoy this racing. Between the driving and the officiating, though..... And then you can see that in some of the interviews of the more calm drivers.
Click to expand...

true: re Dario. he's CHANGED a lot in the last year or so. he didn't appear this whiny and dare I say it "conceited" previously as he has this season and especially today.

now I'm rooting for anyone to beat this guy.

I'm not sure who was at fault w/Scheckter and Marco. It appeared Tomas crowded Marco but I don't know if Marco touched him and that's what sent the #22 toward the center...pretty sure TK was clean there

Simona has problems...she's not nearly as good now as she was prior to milwaukee. confidence?

I feel awful for Graham Rahal. he deserves a LOT better

Sato also deserves better this year...

one thing I also noticed during the weekend. quite a few commercials on ESPN.

also - during the race broadcast they showed pre-split victories by Al Unser Jr., Nigel Mansell, and one other...the crowds were overflowing sell-out type crowds.

I don't think Tony George realizes even today that he destroyed open wheel in this country for going on 15 years.

but I do see daylight. as Indy goes so goes the series and INDY is picking up steam again and I'm thinking it's a matter of 2-4 more years before that momentum catches fire at other series races.

hopefully next season it's a sell-out at INDY
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top