Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Him and Ken Block may well be two of the best American drivers right now.
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Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
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solovsfett
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Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
thanks. I'll have to check it out.
thanks. I'll have to check it out.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
Not sure if I was clear in my post, but I was talking about after the qualifying session was over on the cool down lap. So there was plenty of options for Hamilton. Stopping and letting Maldonado drive away being the smartest one.
Yeah, maybe not the best move, but this one I can understand as he was racing for position. I think his mistake was thinking Kobayashi was going to give him the position easily. Hamilton just kept squeezing Kobayshi over and finally Kobayshi had no where to go and didn't want to give up the position so he stood his ground and it ended badly for Hamilton.
Excellent drive by Schumi! He almost looked like the Schumi of old. Nice to see.
A china race is probably smart. Maybe not for the US market but for the series as a whole.
I think Pastrana (maybe due to his moto appeal) and Kahne (certainly) are names the would draw interest. I don't Zanardi would anymore. While I like the idea for Vegas, I just don't see too many name racers out there that would be willing and/or be allowed to do it. Basically in the US for this to create the news that Indycar needs, they need NASCAR drivers to do it. Otherwise it won't be newsworthy. Heck, I think they would be better in a spectacle sense to get old time racers someone like AJ, Mario, Mears, etc. to race. That would create news!
You can't be serious. Pastrana is a good racer in his own way but not close to best American driver. And as for Block I don't think he can even be in the discussion.
Not sure if I was clear in my post, but I was talking about after the qualifying session was over on the cool down lap. So there was plenty of options for Hamilton. Stopping and letting Maldonado drive away being the smartest one.
Yeah, maybe not the best move, but this one I can understand as he was racing for position. I think his mistake was thinking Kobayashi was going to give him the position easily. Hamilton just kept squeezing Kobayshi over and finally Kobayshi had no where to go and didn't want to give up the position so he stood his ground and it ended badly for Hamilton.
Excellent drive by Schumi! He almost looked like the Schumi of old. Nice to see.
A china race is probably smart. Maybe not for the US market but for the series as a whole.
I think Pastrana (maybe due to his moto appeal) and Kahne (certainly) are names the would draw interest. I don't Zanardi would anymore. While I like the idea for Vegas, I just don't see too many name racers out there that would be willing and/or be allowed to do it. Basically in the US for this to create the news that Indycar needs, they need NASCAR drivers to do it. Otherwise it won't be newsworthy. Heck, I think they would be better in a spectacle sense to get old time racers someone like AJ, Mario, Mears, etc. to race. That would create news!
You can't be serious. Pastrana is a good racer in his own way but not close to best American driver. And as for Block I don't think he can even be in the discussion.
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No, you were clear- but you also assume that Hamilton expects Maldanado to do something, which is very much out of the ordinary in F1. Even passing isn't all that common after a checker post qualifying. Why would it be up to Lewis to get out of the way? this isn't nascar where a team member will come up to you and grab your hair, this is F1.
What's more funny is that you partially blame Lewis for not doing something to avoid the wrath of Maldanado. That's kind of sad.
caught the very end of the IndyCar race at Sears Point- didn't recognize the layout that they used- what in the world was that?
And an interesting penalty at the end of the race- Pantano gets a penalty for appearing to block by taking the inside line going into the last corner. And since Bourdais attempted to take the outside where there was little room for an outside pass, Pantano kind of pushed Bourdais over the rumble strips, and almost into the wall. Apparently, this is a penalty in the US, but not Europe. I don't think I agree with the penalty.
No idea how the rest of the race went, but the last start was not eventful after them telling us how eventful it will be.
No, you were clear- but you also assume that Hamilton expects Maldanado to do something, which is very much out of the ordinary in F1. Even passing isn't all that common after a checker post qualifying. Why would it be up to Lewis to get out of the way? this isn't nascar where a team member will come up to you and grab your hair, this is F1.
What's more funny is that you partially blame Lewis for not doing something to avoid the wrath of Maldanado. That's kind of sad.
caught the very end of the IndyCar race at Sears Point- didn't recognize the layout that they used- what in the world was that?
And an interesting penalty at the end of the race- Pantano gets a penalty for appearing to block by taking the inside line going into the last corner. And since Bourdais attempted to take the outside where there was little room for an outside pass, Pantano kind of pushed Bourdais over the rumble strips, and almost into the wall. Apparently, this is a penalty in the US, but not Europe. I don't think I agree with the penalty.
No idea how the rest of the race went, but the last start was not eventful after them telling us how eventful it will be.
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I don't expect Hamilton to know what Maldonado is thinking and I am sure Hamilton didn't expect Maldonado to swerve into him on the cool down. But what was the point of continuing run along side of Maldonado after that initial confrontation? Nothing. And it appeared to me, that Hamilton then moved back at Maldonado. It's just stupid when your fighting for a high place in the championship. Why risk getting a grid penalty by continuing it? It was plain dumb by both of them.
I don't expect Hamilton to know what Maldonado is thinking and I am sure Hamilton didn't expect Maldonado to swerve into him on the cool down. But what was the point of continuing run along side of Maldonado after that initial confrontation? Nothing. And it appeared to me, that Hamilton then moved back at Maldonado. It's just stupid when your fighting for a high place in the championship. Why risk getting a grid penalty by continuing it? It was plain dumb by both of them.
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It was a lot more dynamic than them strolling aling driving next to each other. Pastor came up, and them took the road alot faster than your words make it seems, I think.
Basically, your argument just points out that hindsight is 20/20. Moreso in slow motion.
The whole thing happens so quickly that I can't really comprehend that Hamilton would have know much until it was too late. Turn back? yea, you do have to make the approach to Eau Rouge, even going that slowly. That whole corner is a lot steeper than I've seen a single TV show it. A LOT harder than it look- at least being there, and seeing them, the Formula BMW, the GP2 cars, the Porsche Cup cars, and the F1 cars do it, live.
Just like what happend at the 500. It's easy to suggest changes when you see the replay, in slow motion.
It was a lot more dynamic than them strolling aling driving next to each other. Pastor came up, and them took the road alot faster than your words make it seems, I think.
Basically, your argument just points out that hindsight is 20/20. Moreso in slow motion.
The whole thing happens so quickly that I can't really comprehend that Hamilton would have know much until it was too late. Turn back? yea, you do have to make the approach to Eau Rouge, even going that slowly. That whole corner is a lot steeper than I've seen a single TV show it. A LOT harder than it look- at least being there, and seeing them, the Formula BMW, the GP2 cars, the Porsche Cup cars, and the F1 cars do it, live.
Just like what happend at the 500. It's easy to suggest changes when you see the replay, in slow motion.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
To paraphrase a post from SPEED, I don't know which race was worse, watching contrived passing in F1 with the DRS or no passing in Indycar.
Indycar has to get off these tracks that are just not suited for them. My 15 yr old son, who is a huge open wheel fan, was bored with the race. I was too, but I was cooking during the race.
They should have use that extended loop that they used on the start and restart, at least you could try and go outside, dive inside or maybe even to an inside out type of move.
To see RB on the pre-race openly support BB was just sickening. Miller tried to get some shots in, but RB wasn't going to budge. He had is talking points down well.
To paraphrase a post from SPEED, I don't know which race was worse, watching contrived passing in F1 with the DRS or no passing in Indycar.
Indycar has to get off these tracks that are just not suited for them. My 15 yr old son, who is a huge open wheel fan, was bored with the race. I was too, but I was cooking during the race.
They should have use that extended loop that they used on the start and restart, at least you could try and go outside, dive inside or maybe even to an inside out type of move.
To see RB on the pre-race openly support BB was just sickening. Miller tried to get some shots in, but RB wasn't going to budge. He had is talking points down well.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
There's always next year. just like we said last year.
There's always next year. just like we said last year.
solovsfett
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Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
don't know if it will get printed or not so in case they are not I calmed down (didn't ask or vent about the Will Power fine) and asked mr. miller some questions:
1. Vegas - Has Randy Bernard reached out to all the (ex)-open wheel guys in Nascar? there has to be at least a 1/2 dozen that I can think of over there (shamefully). Also, what would stop Kahne from doing the Vegas race? Penske not wanting to field 4 cars?
1a. what about Raikonnen? De Ferran? Michael Andretti even? I mean if you want to move the needle and nascar guys like Jimmie Johnson are afraid of open wheel speed (or whatever their excuses veil) then make waves. "yeah, we've got Michael for one race!"
2. danica. I have to think the series made a big mistake pushing her out front all the time when consistent winners like Helio have just as much charisma, and up-and-comers like Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal and Ryan Hunter-Reay I think could generate as much pub... because they actually win and show well on all the types of tracks they run on.
3. What's the word on Milwaukee? no sponsor? not even Miller?
4. saw the interview w/Randy Bernard yesterday. I hope he's just saying what needs to be said for this season re: Barnhart.
don't know if it will get printed or not so in case they are not I calmed down (didn't ask or vent about the Will Power fine) and asked mr. miller some questions:
1. Vegas - Has Randy Bernard reached out to all the (ex)-open wheel guys in Nascar? there has to be at least a 1/2 dozen that I can think of over there (shamefully). Also, what would stop Kahne from doing the Vegas race? Penske not wanting to field 4 cars?
1a. what about Raikonnen? De Ferran? Michael Andretti even? I mean if you want to move the needle and nascar guys like Jimmie Johnson are afraid of open wheel speed (or whatever their excuses veil) then make waves. "yeah, we've got Michael for one race!"
2. danica. I have to think the series made a big mistake pushing her out front all the time when consistent winners like Helio have just as much charisma, and up-and-comers like Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal and Ryan Hunter-Reay I think could generate as much pub... because they actually win and show well on all the types of tracks they run on.
3. What's the word on Milwaukee? no sponsor? not even Miller?
4. saw the interview w/Randy Bernard yesterday. I hope he's just saying what needs to be said for this season re: Barnhart.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
While the DRS is a bit contrived, it has made F1 race at least more interesting in that the races are not a parade and some actual on track passes occur and not just in the pits.
Indycar.....that track is god awful for them. It simply needs to go, but at this rate there just isn't that many road track that are good for those cars.
While the DRS is a bit contrived, it has made F1 race at least more interesting in that the races are not a parade and some actual on track passes occur and not just in the pits.
Indycar.....that track is god awful for them. It simply needs to go, but at this rate there just isn't that many road track that are good for those cars.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
Block makes cool videos but hasn't done anything special as a rally driver. I don't think he's won a driver's title in the U.S., and his finishes in races outside the states have been in the 20s.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
Presumably this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Point_International_Raceway#Modified_course
Presumably this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Point_International_Raceway#Modified_course
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
In the teens in the WRC for a team he owns and runs part time.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
18-R-R-12-9-21 in 2010
14-12-18-17 in 2011
So I did understate his finishes.
Although he had some race wins in the American rally championship, he never finished better than 2nd in the driver standings (twice), also finishing third once and fourth twice.
Not the kind of results I would expect if he's good enough to be the second-best driver in America.
18-R-R-12-9-21 in 2010
14-12-18-17 in 2011
So I did understate his finishes.
Although he had some race wins in the American rally championship, he never finished better than 2nd in the driver standings (twice), also finishing third once and fourth twice.
Not the kind of results I would expect if he's good enough to be the second-best driver in America.
solovsfett
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Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
Sounds like Dan Wheldon back to Andretti Autosport and in the godaddy.com car
what does Herta do then?
and where is Gerald Forsythe in all of this?
Sounds like Dan Wheldon back to Andretti Autosport and in the godaddy.com car
what does Herta do then?
and where is Gerald Forsythe in all of this?
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
Great to see Dan get out of the booth and behind the steering wheel. Although, I think they should part with the current GoDaddy logo. Memories and all. (on a different board, every Indy car discussion ends up in a Danica argument, forgetting the rest of the drivers...)
Doesn't Herta just do the 500 these days? How long has it been that a single race team won the 500?? Get reminded of that every race we don't see Herta/Wheldon.
New cars next year, too.
Great to see Dan get out of the booth and behind the steering wheel. Although, I think they should part with the current GoDaddy logo. Memories and all. (on a different board, every Indy car discussion ends up in a Danica argument, forgetting the rest of the drivers...)
Doesn't Herta just do the 500 these days? How long has it been that a single race team won the 500?? Get reminded of that every race we don't see Herta/Wheldon.
New cars next year, too.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
I think Herta is trying to to run at least one car full time next season.
I think Herta is trying to to run at least one car full time next season.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
I honestly don't know if Wheldon/Herta is the only 1-off to win the 500. A very interesting trivia question for sure.
Wheldon emceed' (sp?) an event for GoDaddy this past weekend which coincided w/Andretti's 2-year renewal announcement. The Indystar writer thinks it's a done deal.
re: new car, I really wish someone would have been able to sneak into that first test and record the sound of the engine!
....now that I think of Wheldon/Andretti I bet we see Dan in Vegas now.
I honestly don't know if Wheldon/Herta is the only 1-off to win the 500. A very interesting trivia question for sure.
Wheldon emceed' (sp?) an event for GoDaddy this past weekend which coincided w/Andretti's 2-year renewal announcement. The Indystar writer thinks it's a done deal.
re: new car, I really wish someone would have been able to sneak into that first test and record the sound of the engine!
....now that I think of Wheldon/Andretti I bet we see Dan in Vegas now.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
The 2012 F1 schedule is out:
2012 FIA Formula One World Championship calendar:
03/18 Australia
03/25 Malaysia
04/15 China
04/22 Bahrain
05/13 Spain
05/27 Monaco
06/10 Canada
06/24 Europe
07/08 Great Britain
07/22 Germany
07/29 Hungary
09/02 Belgium
09/09 Italy
09/23 Singapore
10/07 Japan
10/14 Korea
10/28 India
11/4 Abu Dhabi
11/18 United States
11/25 Brazil
No real surprises. It is interesting to note that the summer break seems longer than it has been in recent past. Or maybe I am wrong? But no races at all in August.
US Grand Prix in November is not surprising. Although I would not be surprised if for 2013 that it moves up to be back to back with Canada.
I am trying to convince the wife that we need to attend the USGP, but it's probably a long shot. So being the devious husband that I am, my back up plan is the Canadian GP (closer) to where we live and maybe if the USGP seems to far and costly to her I can show how "cheap" and convenient the Montreal race would be. A 5 hour drive is much easier than a 5 hour flight.
The 2012 F1 schedule is out:
2012 FIA Formula One World Championship calendar:
03/18 Australia
03/25 Malaysia
04/15 China
04/22 Bahrain
05/13 Spain
05/27 Monaco
06/10 Canada
06/24 Europe
07/08 Great Britain
07/22 Germany
07/29 Hungary
09/02 Belgium
09/09 Italy
09/23 Singapore
10/07 Japan
10/14 Korea
10/28 India
11/4 Abu Dhabi
11/18 United States
11/25 Brazil
No real surprises. It is interesting to note that the summer break seems longer than it has been in recent past. Or maybe I am wrong? But no races at all in August.
US Grand Prix in November is not surprising. Although I would not be surprised if for 2013 that it moves up to be back to back with Canada.
I am trying to convince the wife that we need to attend the USGP, but it's probably a long shot. So being the devious husband that I am, my back up plan is the Canadian GP (closer) to where we live and maybe if the USGP seems to far and costly to her I can show how "cheap" and convenient the Montreal race would be. A 5 hour drive is much easier than a 5 hour flight.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
This is a bit of interesting F1 spinoff
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/08/24/f1.air.traffic.control/index.html
This is a bit of interesting F1 spinoff
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/08/24/f1.air.traffic.control/index.html