Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
Either way, I'm sick of watching them take the green flag single file.
Either way, I'm sick of watching them take the green flag single file.
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Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
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solovsfett
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you must be watching a different race. Indycar has double-file starts
you must be watching a different race. Indycar has double-file starts
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That are single file by the time they get to the line.
That are single file by the time they get to the line.
solovsfett
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Great F1 race. Good win by Button and Mclaren. Vettel...bye bye. the thing this shows me as well is the comparisons by some "enthusiastic" Vettel adherents to Senna is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too premature and really overreaching. I know F1 WANTS another Senna, but they don't come around often. If that were Senna on that final restart he'd have annihilated the field, end of story. he definitely would not have made that rookie type mistake in the wet.
too bad Schumey couldn't hold on to 2nd or 3rd. it would have been nice to see him on the podium
Great F1 race. Good win by Button and Mclaren. Vettel...bye bye. the thing this shows me as well is the comparisons by some "enthusiastic" Vettel adherents to Senna is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too premature and really overreaching. I know F1 WANTS another Senna, but they don't come around often. If that were Senna on that final restart he'd have annihilated the field, end of story. he definitely would not have made that rookie type mistake in the wet.
too bad Schumey couldn't hold on to 2nd or 3rd. it would have been nice to see him on the podium
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Our recording was up to the rain break. Seeing jensen crash Hamilton out, I was pretty suprised to see him keep going, and then to see him win the race- holy cow. I really wish that didn't happen, as my two favorites are Lewis and Jensen right now. So I'm quite happy for Jensen for winning.
On the Vettel/senna thing- I still don't get why people put Senna on such a high horse. Sure, you could see him hustle the car around the track, but I personally perferred Prost's driving, which was just as fast, it just didn't look it. And Alain didn't crash anyone out to win. Nor did he fall asleep while so far ahead that you could glide (Monaco). So in that respect, Vettel is very similar to Senna- blinding fast, makes some stupid mistakes, and is willing to use the car to check other drivers..... Then again, i was never that attracted to Gilles, either.
For the Indy car race- Race one's "single file" was waived off, and was restarted as pairs, which cost Alex, since he could not hold a lead he didn't have. didn't see the second race, but it sure seems as if the drivers didn't like the random draw- would much rather see an inverted field than random. I tend to agree with that. Maybe invert the top 10, and then invert the bottom 10 (so that you don't have some REALLY slow drivers leading the entire field). Clean second half? Very impressive.
For our closed wheel fans- LeMans was amazing. To finish that close after 24 hours is incredible. For Audi to do that after two of the worst crashes I've seen- oh, my gosh. I missed Alan's crash by a few min, and just got back home Saturday evenging aftger Rockenfeler's massive crash. McNish does seem to accept the blame, since he dive bombed two cars, late. Not sure about Micheal's- kind of looks like the slow car wasn't paying attention....
P2 looks like there's some potential there- Honda v Nissan, but there are a lot of good turbo V6's out there that could really add to this class. Production based is quite cool. Sweep by Corvette in the GTE Pro and Am classes- pretty cool, and the light budget, former production Ford GT team of Robertson Racing get's 3rd in Am.
LeMans is awesome.
BTW- program note- Lewis Hamilton and Tony Stewart will be swapping rides tomorrow (tuesday, june 14) on Speed at Watkins Glen. Hopefully, including the boot.
Our recording was up to the rain break. Seeing jensen crash Hamilton out, I was pretty suprised to see him keep going, and then to see him win the race- holy cow. I really wish that didn't happen, as my two favorites are Lewis and Jensen right now. So I'm quite happy for Jensen for winning.
On the Vettel/senna thing- I still don't get why people put Senna on such a high horse. Sure, you could see him hustle the car around the track, but I personally perferred Prost's driving, which was just as fast, it just didn't look it. And Alain didn't crash anyone out to win. Nor did he fall asleep while so far ahead that you could glide (Monaco). So in that respect, Vettel is very similar to Senna- blinding fast, makes some stupid mistakes, and is willing to use the car to check other drivers..... Then again, i was never that attracted to Gilles, either.
For the Indy car race- Race one's "single file" was waived off, and was restarted as pairs, which cost Alex, since he could not hold a lead he didn't have. didn't see the second race, but it sure seems as if the drivers didn't like the random draw- would much rather see an inverted field than random. I tend to agree with that. Maybe invert the top 10, and then invert the bottom 10 (so that you don't have some REALLY slow drivers leading the entire field). Clean second half? Very impressive.
For our closed wheel fans- LeMans was amazing. To finish that close after 24 hours is incredible. For Audi to do that after two of the worst crashes I've seen- oh, my gosh. I missed Alan's crash by a few min, and just got back home Saturday evenging aftger Rockenfeler's massive crash. McNish does seem to accept the blame, since he dive bombed two cars, late. Not sure about Micheal's- kind of looks like the slow car wasn't paying attention....
P2 looks like there's some potential there- Honda v Nissan, but there are a lot of good turbo V6's out there that could really add to this class. Production based is quite cool. Sweep by Corvette in the GTE Pro and Am classes- pretty cool, and the light budget, former production Ford GT team of Robertson Racing get's 3rd in Am.
LeMans is awesome.
BTW- program note- Lewis Hamilton and Tony Stewart will be swapping rides tomorrow (tuesday, june 14) on Speed at Watkins Glen. Hopefully, including the boot.
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Ugh. I didn't get to see hardly any racing this weekend. I forgot the Twin 275's were on Saturday night. I HATE Saturday night racing on TV.
I saw the end of the second race and it was pretty interesting considering the track. Texas is crappy track IMO.
Like Alfa, my recording of the F1 race only went up through the red flag. So I didn't get to see the last half. Oh well. I personally thought it was deserving that Hamilton got punted by Button. Hamilton would have done the exact same thing if the roles were reversed. It was also nice to read about Vettel make a stupid mistake to cost him the race. I really wonder how good Vettel is compared to how good the car is.....
It is suppose to include the boot section of the track. And I cannot wait. I am planning on taking the day off and heading over to the track. The only bad side is the forecast is calling for rain showers.
So I am not sure if they will get any quality laps in or not.
Ugh. I didn't get to see hardly any racing this weekend. I forgot the Twin 275's were on Saturday night. I HATE Saturday night racing on TV.
I saw the end of the second race and it was pretty interesting considering the track. Texas is crappy track IMO.Like Alfa, my recording of the F1 race only went up through the red flag. So I didn't get to see the last half. Oh well. I personally thought it was deserving that Hamilton got punted by Button. Hamilton would have done the exact same thing if the roles were reversed. It was also nice to read about Vettel make a stupid mistake to cost him the race. I really wonder how good Vettel is compared to how good the car is.....
It is suppose to include the boot section of the track. And I cannot wait. I am planning on taking the day off and heading over to the track. The only bad side is the forecast is calling for rain showers.
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I extended my DVR by 30 minutes, but still wasn't enough. My recording stopped a few minutes before the race resumed. I missed a great race. Redemption for McClaren with Jensen winning after taking out Lewis. 
I extended my DVR by 30 minutes, but still wasn't enough. My recording stopped a few minutes before the race resumed.
I missed a great race. Redemption for McClaren with Jensen winning after taking out Lewis. Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
Tuesday on Speed is the replay. I think 12noon - 2PM EDT.I extended my DVR by 30 minutes, but still wasn't enough. My recording stopped a few minutes before the race resumed.
solovsfett
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we probably enjoy different styles. While I know Prost was a great driver (4x WDC) he was more the Al Unser, Rick Mears save the car kind of guy, knowing how to get the most of the tires, the most out of the engine, etc.
Senna to me was the ultimate hard-charger ala Mario Andretti in his prime, it was win at all costs, 2nd place is as good as last. He was the fastest driver of his era with his 65 poles and once beat prost to the monaco pole by 1 1/2 seconds when they were teammates. those are the types of drivers I REALLY love and respect the most.
this pole lap here is as manic and fearless as it gets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK6RZdb-Ooo&feature=related
Prost pretty much admitted he couldn't keep up w/the way Senna pushed it all the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bCmBbPwQU&feature=related
the downside unfortunately is Prost may have been right in that Senna probably thought he couldn't kill himself. the thought probably never crossed his mind which is *part* of why and how he took so many risks both in going for pole speed or in the overtaking maneuvers.
Would Senna have won more WDC's than Prost, my feeling is yes. but unfortunately we'll never know.
Did you see the Senna Top Gear tribute?
as for Vettel, I don't know. I don't see him blowing away the competition with his pole lap times, and that mistake in the wet is childsplay. Senna would have run away w/the race in that same position. (see Donington 1993)
we probably enjoy different styles. While I know Prost was a great driver (4x WDC) he was more the Al Unser, Rick Mears save the car kind of guy, knowing how to get the most of the tires, the most out of the engine, etc.
Senna to me was the ultimate hard-charger ala Mario Andretti in his prime, it was win at all costs, 2nd place is as good as last. He was the fastest driver of his era with his 65 poles and once beat prost to the monaco pole by 1 1/2 seconds when they were teammates. those are the types of drivers I REALLY love and respect the most.
this pole lap here is as manic and fearless as it gets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK6RZdb-Ooo&feature=related
Prost pretty much admitted he couldn't keep up w/the way Senna pushed it all the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bCmBbPwQU&feature=related
the downside unfortunately is Prost may have been right in that Senna probably thought he couldn't kill himself. the thought probably never crossed his mind which is *part* of why and how he took so many risks both in going for pole speed or in the overtaking maneuvers.
Would Senna have won more WDC's than Prost, my feeling is yes. but unfortunately we'll never know.
Did you see the Senna Top Gear tribute?
as for Vettel, I don't know. I don't see him blowing away the competition with his pole lap times, and that mistake in the wet is childsplay. Senna would have run away w/the race in that same position. (see Donington 1993)
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For sure, I know fully about Senna- I was watching F1 before he was part. I very much enjoyed watching the Professor drive, and win. And I saw Senna make some pretty brilliant drives, just like Mike did afterword.
But I'm not a Schumi fan either.
I saw the TG tribute, and brought my questions of why this guy is being put on such a high horse is beyond me. I know he got out of his car to save a life, and that hey did a lot of stuff off the track.
I just don't like him. I never respected his racing, even while is driving was first rate. I don't like drivers who are happy to project their lack of fear of death onto their competitors. To me, a lof of what Senna represents is Vettel.
What's funny, I don't see Hamilton as that kind of driver. Yes, he will stick his nose into places he probably should not. But he's not actually turned into anyone, like Vettel has more than once (once on Hamilton, as they were leaving the pit lane....), and Schumacker and Senna have both won and lost championships doing.
So it does not matter to me that he *might* have won more championships. I just never liked him.
I'll probably watch the Senna documentary, but still wonder in the back of my mind if it's being overblown.
And I think the recent wave of him being the best ever has more to do with him perishing while driving, and it happend just about 20 years ago. Fangio was a better driver. Nuvolare was a better driver. Clark was a better driver. IMHO. And they all finished driving before I was born (one way or another...).
For sure, I know fully about Senna- I was watching F1 before he was part. I very much enjoyed watching the Professor drive, and win. And I saw Senna make some pretty brilliant drives, just like Mike did afterword.
But I'm not a Schumi fan either.
I saw the TG tribute, and brought my questions of why this guy is being put on such a high horse is beyond me. I know he got out of his car to save a life, and that hey did a lot of stuff off the track.
I just don't like him. I never respected his racing, even while is driving was first rate. I don't like drivers who are happy to project their lack of fear of death onto their competitors. To me, a lof of what Senna represents is Vettel.
What's funny, I don't see Hamilton as that kind of driver. Yes, he will stick his nose into places he probably should not. But he's not actually turned into anyone, like Vettel has more than once (once on Hamilton, as they were leaving the pit lane....), and Schumacker and Senna have both won and lost championships doing.
So it does not matter to me that he *might* have won more championships. I just never liked him.
I'll probably watch the Senna documentary, but still wonder in the back of my mind if it's being overblown.
And I think the recent wave of him being the best ever has more to do with him perishing while driving, and it happend just about 20 years ago. Fangio was a better driver. Nuvolare was a better driver. Clark was a better driver. IMHO. And they all finished driving before I was born (one way or another...).
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Thanks for the tip. I am watching it now.
Thanks for the tip. I am watching it now.
Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....
I got to see the Hamilton / Stewart swap yesterday at the Glen. It was very cool. The weather wasn't the best and they had to run with rain tires. I have never seen a F1 car run before. The sound and the speed of them are amazing!
I can only imagine what a full field of them sounds and looks like. The acceleration and the braking of the car is way beyond what is shown on TV. It just doesn't do them justice. It reminds me a lot of how TV doesn't do NHRA nitro classes justice.
I am kind of disappointed in that they only did 4-5 laps with each others cars but I guess I can't complain for free. I would have loved to see them run 30 laps or so in dry weather to really let them get the feel of the cars.
This makes me think that a trip to Austin next June might be in order.
I got to see the Hamilton / Stewart swap yesterday at the Glen. It was very cool. The weather wasn't the best and they had to run with rain tires. I have never seen a F1 car run before. The sound and the speed of them are amazing!
I can only imagine what a full field of them sounds and looks like. The acceleration and the braking of the car is way beyond what is shown on TV. It just doesn't do them justice. It reminds me a lot of how TV doesn't do NHRA nitro classes justice.I am kind of disappointed in that they only did 4-5 laps with each others cars but I guess I can't complain for free. I would have loved to see them run 30 laps or so in dry weather to really let them get the feel of the cars.
This makes me think that a trip to Austin next June might be in order.
solovsfett
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going to the milwaukee race sunday.
I'm VERY concerned now in regard to attendance for this race. they're now selling tickets 2 for 1. from what the Milwaukee Journal was saying about sections sold and not, I'd be surprised if they'd sold more than 15,000 - 20,000 up until this giveaway.
to say that's pathetic is an understatement. then again, there's been NO advertising whatsoever for this race that I can see. no billboards, no radio ads. I mean how the **** are casual sports fans supposed to know this is happening?
they should have hit chicago with ads and the DID NOT
going to the milwaukee race sunday.
I'm VERY concerned now in regard to attendance for this race. they're now selling tickets 2 for 1. from what the Milwaukee Journal was saying about sections sold and not, I'd be surprised if they'd sold more than 15,000 - 20,000 up until this giveaway.
to say that's pathetic is an understatement. then again, there's been NO advertising whatsoever for this race that I can see. no billboards, no radio ads. I mean how the **** are casual sports fans supposed to know this is happening?
they should have hit chicago with ads and the DID NOT
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I've heard multiple times that local promotion to IRL/CART/IndyCar is incredibly lacking. I bet they thought that Milwaukee would be easy, but since it wasn't two weeks ago- they are very, very wrong. I'm just barely more than an average IndyCar fan, and I wondered why they didn't show the race from the Mile the week after the 500. I actually thought I missed it.
I'd be willing to bet that most fans locally thought the race was June 5- the natural week for the race.
I've heard multiple times that local promotion to IRL/CART/IndyCar is incredibly lacking. I bet they thought that Milwaukee would be easy, but since it wasn't two weeks ago- they are very, very wrong. I'm just barely more than an average IndyCar fan, and I wondered why they didn't show the race from the Mile the week after the 500. I actually thought I missed it.
I'd be willing to bet that most fans locally thought the race was June 5- the natural week for the race.
solovsfett
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very possible.
for I don't know, 80 years? milwaukee was the race immediately after INDY.
they had better promote this race next year or it will be off the schedule. I'm currently hoping they can get 25k there. and that might be optimistic.
one good thing is the Brewers are on the road
very possible.
for I don't know, 80 years? milwaukee was the race immediately after INDY.
they had better promote this race next year or it will be off the schedule. I'm currently hoping they can get 25k there. and that might be optimistic.
one good thing is the Brewers are on the road
solovsfett
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Milwaukee race -
- Tony Kanaan pushed too hard to get up to Helio w/about 30-35 laps to go and spun out of 2nd place. He had the best car from about the mid-point of the race on, and it was his to lose which is disappointing.
- then Viso who had also had a solid day (top 10 all day, and up to 4th) crashes. don't know about his long-term viability
- unheralded but solid performances from Ana Beatriz and Justin Wilson
- Newman-Haas is coming on. James Hinchcliffe and Oriol Servia w/top 8 finishes
after TK, Helio's flat tire cost him the race
- Attendance...sucked. 20,000 would be optimistic. on a weekend w/brewers out-of-town and the series unified this is awful. blame it on 0 promotion and father's day?
I don't know. Milwaukee cannot stay on the schedule unless the attendance reaches 35k +, and that's sad given this track's history
Milwaukee race -
- Tony Kanaan pushed too hard to get up to Helio w/about 30-35 laps to go and spun out of 2nd place. He had the best car from about the mid-point of the race on, and it was his to lose which is disappointing.
- then Viso who had also had a solid day (top 10 all day, and up to 4th) crashes. don't know about his long-term viability
- unheralded but solid performances from Ana Beatriz and Justin Wilson
- Newman-Haas is coming on. James Hinchcliffe and Oriol Servia w/top 8 finishes
after TK, Helio's flat tire cost him the race
- Attendance...sucked. 20,000 would be optimistic. on a weekend w/brewers out-of-town and the series unified this is awful. blame it on 0 promotion and father's day?
I don't know. Milwaukee cannot stay on the schedule unless the attendance reaches 35k +, and that's sad given this track's history
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I'm not sure what Kanaan was thinking. I'm sure he knew about Helio's tire, and even IF he was going quick, there was no way that would last. Tony had that race in a bag, but decided to poke a hole in it....
Viso- for some reason, trying to push to be equal to Kanaan. Crash.
I was thinking that KV was going to emerge as a power team, but with only Sato finishing... well.
I was hoping the finish would be a little closer, seeing how much Dario struggled at the end of a stint, but not even his teammate Rahal had anything for him. Oh, well.
Haas racing is making a nice recovery.
Andretti... well, that team needs a re-think. Hunter-Raey crashing in the first corner? And their best finisher was Danica, again. She held her own, but wasn't willing to make any gutsy passes. But I can't believe that there was rumors that Marco would go F1. F1 backmarker Sato on marginal team KV went a lap down, and still finished ahead of Marco. oops.
Penske is still showing that they are human, too. Well, Briscoe sure finished just ok.... Power made a great comeback from being a lap down. And Helio.... maybe you need to make a change, good man. You and Penske are great, but a year apart might help.
One question- why was Tags still going around the track at the end? Need to cross the line to get money? He should have parked that thing.
I'm not sure what Kanaan was thinking. I'm sure he knew about Helio's tire, and even IF he was going quick, there was no way that would last. Tony had that race in a bag, but decided to poke a hole in it....
Viso- for some reason, trying to push to be equal to Kanaan. Crash.
I was thinking that KV was going to emerge as a power team, but with only Sato finishing... well.
I was hoping the finish would be a little closer, seeing how much Dario struggled at the end of a stint, but not even his teammate Rahal had anything for him. Oh, well.
Haas racing is making a nice recovery.
Andretti... well, that team needs a re-think. Hunter-Raey crashing in the first corner? And their best finisher was Danica, again. She held her own, but wasn't willing to make any gutsy passes. But I can't believe that there was rumors that Marco would go F1. F1 backmarker Sato on marginal team KV went a lap down, and still finished ahead of Marco. oops.
Penske is still showing that they are human, too. Well, Briscoe sure finished just ok.... Power made a great comeback from being a lap down. And Helio.... maybe you need to make a change, good man. You and Penske are great, but a year apart might help.
One question- why was Tags still going around the track at the end? Need to cross the line to get money? He should have parked that thing.
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I am puzzled by TK also. I think he was just pushing too hard and simply lost it. He rarely makes mistakes, so I guess one bad one happens to everyone.
EJ needs to go. He's never going to make a good racer. The mistake he made yesterday is the same one he made as a rookie. He's never going to learn.
They sure are and it is nice to see.
The problem here is that most people (and I use to include myself in that group until recently) still think of Andretti as a good team. But they have shown over the past couple of seasons that they are no longer a good team. They are now marginal too.
Oh, and yeah, that Marco to F1 talk from a while back looks dumber and dumber now.
Danica, drove a safe race which is what she is best at.
I thought Power had a decent race considering where he started from. As for Helio... not sure what you want from him in this race. He was running 2nd or 3rd most of the race and only finished where he did because of a tire and his radio went out.
I thought that was odd too. I figure he was trying to get some kind of free practice time in. Or maybe there is a deal with his sponsor the if his car is able to run he must be out there?
Oh, and what was up with the crowd? That was pitiful. From the number of people in the stands it looked like qualifying day more than race day. Sad.
I am puzzled by TK also. I think he was just pushing too hard and simply lost it. He rarely makes mistakes, so I guess one bad one happens to everyone.
EJ needs to go. He's never going to make a good racer. The mistake he made yesterday is the same one he made as a rookie. He's never going to learn.
They sure are and it is nice to see.
The problem here is that most people (and I use to include myself in that group until recently) still think of Andretti as a good team. But they have shown over the past couple of seasons that they are no longer a good team. They are now marginal too.
Oh, and yeah, that Marco to F1 talk from a while back looks dumber and dumber now.
Danica, drove a safe race which is what she is best at.
I thought Power had a decent race considering where he started from. As for Helio... not sure what you want from him in this race. He was running 2nd or 3rd most of the race and only finished where he did because of a tire and his radio went out.
I thought that was odd too. I figure he was trying to get some kind of free practice time in. Or maybe there is a deal with his sponsor the if his car is able to run he must be out there?
Oh, and what was up with the crowd? That was pitiful. From the number of people in the stands it looked like qualifying day more than race day. Sad.
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Not surprising....
Milwaukee in doubt for 2012
Not surprising....
Milwaukee in doubt for 2012
solovsfett
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I thought about this some more.
on thursday I was in chicago and drove up to milwaukee friday. off of I-94 there were 0 billboards advertising the race. 0. but there were several taxicar billboards.
in chicago there was NO PRESS. NONE.
in years past some 5,000-7,000 people would have come up from Chicago.
on the back stretch of the track, 12 of 24 billboards were tarped over. no sponsorship. not even local hero's Briggs and Stratton who ALWAYS used to be an associate sponsor. Fred Stratton was there in turn 1, I'm not sure how involved he is anymore w/Briggs but this is just sad.
co-workers of mine had no idea the race was this weekend, a few of whom said they'd have gone.
to exacerbate the situation the old promoters did not share w/ AB the email contact list for renewals. therefore we did not get a ticket renewal form in the mail. we had to call 5-7 times to find out *** about this race and to get on the new list.
what those old promoters did is immoral and bankrupt. they may be bitter they owe everyone money but for milwaukee this is quality of life as well as great racing. they lose Indycar and the town just gets smaller and less fun to live in.
Bernard talked w/Road America last week and Joliet talks are on-going.
if they leave milwaukee (where Jim Clark won, Michael Andretti, A.J., Greg Moore, Rodger Ward and so many others) they'll be gone for good and the most historic race in Indycar history will be but a memory.
just absolutely depressing
I thought about this some more.
on thursday I was in chicago and drove up to milwaukee friday. off of I-94 there were 0 billboards advertising the race. 0. but there were several taxicar billboards.
in chicago there was NO PRESS. NONE.
in years past some 5,000-7,000 people would have come up from Chicago.
on the back stretch of the track, 12 of 24 billboards were tarped over. no sponsorship. not even local hero's Briggs and Stratton who ALWAYS used to be an associate sponsor. Fred Stratton was there in turn 1, I'm not sure how involved he is anymore w/Briggs but this is just sad.
co-workers of mine had no idea the race was this weekend, a few of whom said they'd have gone.
to exacerbate the situation the old promoters did not share w/ AB the email contact list for renewals. therefore we did not get a ticket renewal form in the mail. we had to call 5-7 times to find out *** about this race and to get on the new list.
what those old promoters did is immoral and bankrupt. they may be bitter they owe everyone money but for milwaukee this is quality of life as well as great racing. they lose Indycar and the town just gets smaller and less fun to live in.
Bernard talked w/Road America last week and Joliet talks are on-going.
if they leave milwaukee (where Jim Clark won, Michael Andretti, A.J., Greg Moore, Rodger Ward and so many others) they'll be gone for good and the most historic race in Indycar history will be but a memory.
just absolutely depressing