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Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

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After Vettel's rear tire goes down, and I'm sure the Hamilton haters will find a reason why he was at fault, Hamilton does a great job controlling the race from the lead and wins the race at Abu Dabi. Well driven, even with some pressure from Alonso. Who took Button very early in the race with one good move to pass and one questionable one to not allow the re-take. Which turned out to be irrelevant when Jensen had KERS issues.

For a while, 3rd was under contention between Button, Weber, and Masa, but in the end Button was good, Weber was ok, and Masa, well, was masa.

The mid-field cars did a good job, and Lotus did their best to date. The mid team season results looks to get interesting for Brazil. $15M is at stake.
 
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So the new cars in the test last week @ Indy only went 208-216 mph, apparently the weight distribution is a problem - too much weight in the back. I'm wondering why they didn't forsee this weight distribution issue? Surely they know from past experience what the optimal weight distribution is. The cars are being delivered in 6 weeks, they are running out of time to get this fixed.
 
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alfablue said:
After Vettel's rear tire goes down, and I'm sure the Hamilton haters will find a reason why he was at fault, Hamilton does a great job controlling the race from the lead and wins the race at Abu Dabi.
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As much as I would love to blame Hamilton for Vettel's tyre, I can't. No, wait, I hate Vettel more than Hamilton so it's all good. :D

alfablue said:
For a while, 3rd was under contention between Button, Weber, and Masa, but in the end Button was good, Weber was ok, and Masa, well, was masa.
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Massa just for whatever reason can't run on the harder tyre compounds. I am assuming they don't work for his driving style. Add to that he was running an older front wing than Alonso and he was definitely at a disadvantage.

Timothy A said:
So the new cars in the test last week @ Indy only went 208-216 mph, apparently the weight distribution is a problem - too much weight in the back. I'm wondering why they didn't forsee this weight distribution issue? Surely they know from past experience what the optimal weight distribution is. The cars are being delivered in 6 weeks, they are running out of time to get this fixed.
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I read that the engine manufacturers, Dallara, and Indycar were all surprised about the slow speeds. And that for reason's that they are unsure of (at the time the article was written), the car did not perform any where near what the simulations predicted it should.
 
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Timothy A said:
So the new cars in the test last week @ Indy only went 208-216 mph, apparently the weight distribution is a problem - too much weight in the back. I'm wondering why they didn't forsee this weight distribution issue? Surely they know from past experience what the optimal weight distribution is. The cars are being delivered in 6 weeks, they are running out of time to get this fixed.
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that is disappointing however it appears on the road course this new car is faster, 3/4 of a sec faster than the pole speed thusfar at Barber: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/11/will_power_gets_back_in_an_ind.html
 
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News from Texas is sounding very pessimistic about a race down there, ever. Work has been suspended.... and State funding is under threat.

Based on local repsonse, could see this coming from a mile away. It's ok to use public money for the Jerry Memorial Stadium, and Superbowl whatever, but not on F1. Even if the law is written to benefit this kind of funding. All things considered, if I paid taxes in Texas, I would be pretty mad about helping the new cowboys stadium, too.
 
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It looks like the problem is the same as mentioned in the previous article: "the behind the scenes dispute between Tavo Hellmund, the original driving force behind the race, and those involved in running the Circuit of the Americas as a business."

Maybe I'm misinterpreting Combs's comments, but I think she's addressing concerns about paying out the $25 MM and then having the race not come off.
 
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solovsfett said:
that is disappointing however it appears on the road course this new car is faster, 3/4 of a sec faster than the pole speed thusfar at Barber: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/11/will_power_gets_back_in_an_ind.html
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That's really good news since the new car is already faster, though it is not very developed at this point. I could see it being 2-3 seconds faster when all is said and done.

F1 Austin.....what a pathetic deal. How/why would you start moving dirt around without contracts being signed? Pure stupidity.
 
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As near as I can tell, the Austin F1 thing looks like a situation where people thought an agreement was in place, and then some stuff happened, and they realized that the agreement that existed wasn't the one they thought existed.
 
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Craig P. said:
As near as I can tell, the Austin F1 thing looks like a situation where people thought an agreement was in place, and then some stuff happened, and they realized that the agreement that existed wasn't the one they thought existed.
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LOL, that's a classic explanation. The thought of this happening in our world of lawyers and legal documents is simply laughable. Keep in mind they are dealing with a back-stabbing double-dealing guy like Bernie, getting all your legal ducks in a row is a total 100% priority. You could get all your legal ducks all perfect and Bernie still would find a way to dump you.

Based on this, there's no way there will be a race in the USA anytime soon.
 
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Timothy A said:
Based on this, there's no way there will be a race in the USA anytime soon.
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I think it is highly more likely that the race outside of NYC will take place before the Austin one. I think that the manufacturers will pressure Bernie to keep the NYC one. People in NYC have the ability to buy lots of Ferrari's, Mercedes, Renault's and drink tons of Red Bull.
 
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Timothy A said:
LOL, that's a classic explanation. The thought of this happening in our world of lawyers and legal documents is simply laughable.
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Did you read the article out of Austin?

I'm sure Bernie plays a role in the issues, but it looks like the crux of the problem is some sort of divide between Sexton and Hellmund.

Maybe my previous post didn't put it quite right, but the problem doesn't appear to originate with a change in funding status. It appears to originate with some sort of falling out between the CofA folks and Hellmund. The one possible link I would make to funding is, it may be that Hellmund thought the $25 MM would be issued up front, and Combs's most recent statements indicate that's not the case. But there's no indication, as yet, that the state funding has been pulled.

Personally, I don't really care if F1 comes to the track there. I'm more interested in the Aussie V8s. Heck, no F1 might even make it more likely that I'll drive on the track at some point. My interest is primarily in the track getting built.
 
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Oops, looks like I was mistaken on one point, as for reasons unspecified, Combs is suddenly pushing a hard line about not disbursing money until after the race, whereas before it was implied that it would be released up to a year beforehand. Not sure whether that's arising out of political concerns or because of behind-the-scenes maneuvering between Hellmund and the CotA investors.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/formula1/f1-track-work-stops-amid-dispute-1971568.html

In any event, I do think this reaffirms my belief that the real problem is a disagreement of some kind between Hellmund and the circuit.
 
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Craig P. said:
Oops, looks like I was mistaken on one point, as for reasons unspecified, Combs is suddenly pushing a hard line about not disbursing money until after the race, whereas before it was implied that it would be released up to a year beforehand. Not sure whether that's arising out of political concerns or because of behind-the-scenes maneuvering between Hellmund and the CotA investors.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/formula1/f1-track-work-stops-amid-dispute-1971568.html

In any event, I do think this reaffirms my belief that the real problem is a disagreement of some kind between Hellmund and the circuit.
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I heard one issue is that the $Texas major event money is for "unique" events and there's some argument as to whether or not an F1 race in Texas is "unique" now that there's a group in NY doing the same thing.
 
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bueller said:
I heard one issue is that the $Texas major event money is for "unique" events and there's some argument as to whether or not an F1 race in Texas is "unique" now that there's a group in NY doing the same thing.
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As opposed to, say, the Super Bowl. Which has come to dallas all of, what, once? Seems pretty unique to me.
 
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Craig P. said:
Oops, looks like I was mistaken on one point, as for reasons unspecified, Combs is suddenly pushing a hard line about not disbursing money until after the race, whereas before it was implied that it would be released up to a year beforehand. Not sure whether that's arising out of political concerns or because of behind-the-scenes maneuvering between Hellmund and the CotA investors.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/formula1/f1-track-work-stops-amid-dispute-1971568.html

In any event, I do think this reaffirms my belief that the real problem is a disagreement of some kind between Hellmund and the circuit.
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I didn't mean to imply Bernie was mixed up in reason it's dying, my point was more like when dealing with Bernie, you have to make darn sure all your t's are crossed, because if he'll give you no second chance to resolve it, unless your in a rich Arab State.
 
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man, the memories of the Milwaukee Mile!

my dad took me to my first race in 1979 in milwaukee, before we'd moved from chicago. Danny Ongais was my first favorite driver...then so many others. anyway, if Randy Bernard presses on and can lead indycar through the aftermath of Vegas perhaps once again we'll see racing like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vxk_Biq_mE&feature=fvsr

or...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGuE-iwJljQ

I'd love it!
 
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grosjean to replace Senna? I hope it doesn't happen but sounds like the writing is on the wall there.

Kubica to miss pre-season testing or at least that's the way Renault forwarded the news..
 
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Just read that Kimi is in at LRGP.


Oh, and kind of a snoozer race in Brazil.
 
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