Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

[THE OHIO STATE]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

We " BLEW IT " this weekend for points.


We are going to need help from the HOCKEY GODS to go anywhere in the playoffs.



" GO BUCKS GO "

 

[Arpod]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

Well another couple 2 goal leads blown tonight. Again 2 stupid penalties cost them goals. This weekend will come back to bite them in the end they left 5 points on the table and maybe cost them a first round home series. Arpod maybe you know this but why did he take bishop off the line with albert? That is mornic if you ask me that line has been jumping all over the ice the last 2 weekends. How you justify chaning in the middle of the game i dont know.

Pretty disappointing weekend, certainly given the talent/potential of the team (generally unrealized) and the fantastic start to both games. Bad penalties and a worse penalty kill did them in again. The poor penalty killing, IMHO, is on the coaches. There are kids on that team who thrive on the PK who are not seeing the ice. The general schemes put in place by the coaches are clearly not effective, but are not changed. Kids that are on the kill often don't appear to know the systems (if there are indeed systems) and frequently are not kids who will block shots or 'get dirty' along the boards or in corners. Totally mystifying to me. The commentators last night remarked how unusual is is to run a triangle 3 on 5 PK with two skaters up high and one down low (1 defender low defending 2 or 3 forwards is not usually going to cut it...). Says it all. There is certainly no quit in these kids, but this type of loss has to cut pretty deep, particularly with so much as stake late in the season. As for line changes, I can only guess it had something to do with Dalpe getting injured and missing shifts. Or panic (which seems to be a common occurrance). Well, water under the bridge. If we can manage to stay out of the box there are still many points to be had, as we have games in hand on a couple of teams ahead in the standings. Suck it up and play with heart (and mind) and see where the chips fall.

 

[klbaum1077]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

It’s lessons learnt,” Ohio State coach John Markell said. “The crowd got into the game, and we didn’t do the little things that we needed to do.

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20092010/m/02/06/osu-uno.php#ixzz0exzdhsdi

That quote says alot to me. He says lesson learnt well i guess he doesnt remember the night before does he. If they learned there lesson then saturday would not have finished the way it did. This team has not learned all season not to take stupid penalties.

Arpod i noticed the triangle vs the 5 on 3 and didnt even get the words out to my wife about it and uno scored. Thats on the coaching as you said. What else i put on the coaches is putting the 3rd line out with 3 minutes to go down one goal. IMO you should be shorting the bench down to your top 2 lines and 4 dmen at that point in the game, maybe im wrong but thats just my opinion.

 

[Arpod]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

What else i put on the coaches is putting the 3rd line out with 3 minutes to go down one goal. IMO you should be shorting the bench down to your top 2 lines and 4 dmen at that point in the game, maybe im wrong but thats just my opinion.

I don't think shortening the bench even further will work with this team. It seems that recently they have tried rolling only 3 forward lines (e.g. against Ferris) and we have tended to fold late and take the tired/lazy penalties that ultimately do us in (hooking, interference, holdong). This is especially true when they continually send out Albert, Somma, and Dalpe on penalty kills as well as PP and even strength. They have little reserve left late in the game most games. As for D, there are a couple who have really struggled lately (getting beat wide a ton, bad pinches, not strong in the corners and taking bad penalties as a result) and perhaps they should sit, regardless of where they are in the hierarchy. Kids that continually take bad penalties should sit, but since some are 'special' that just isn't going to happen and the behavior won't change. That, too, is on the coaches. Perhaps they feel the team isn't talented enough to win without the 'top' guys playing in every situation all the time, even if it wears them out. Who knows. I've pretty much given up trying to figure it out, 'cause my arm-chair brilliance is but 40 watts...

 

[HckyDoc]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

Deja vu
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=61000

 

[Arpod]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

Deja vu
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=61000

Yup. Kind of like Leap Year: keeps coming back every 4 years. Perhaps this year will have a different outcome...

 

[THE OHIO STATE]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

I hate to " BLAME " just the Coach , because I have always preached a team is 50% coaching and 50% players.

Besides some players taking stupid penalties , I still don't understand the Coach and some of his Coaching decisions.


He is not Coaching like a Coach would not knowing if he has a Coaching job for next year. He is not aggressive at making changes to try harder for the " WINS. " Bench players , change up the line ups , ECT.


Here is a funny story a " OLD-TIMER " would tell us at are local ice rink.

A team of talented players can make a BAD COACH look good. And a team of un-talented players can make a GOOD COACH look bad. EH.


I always liked this old hockey saying ;

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.



" GO BUCKS GO. "

 

[Brewmaster]

More Sequels than Friday the 13th--Scarier, Too

More Sequels than Friday the 13th--Scarier, Too

Yup. Kind of like Leap Year: keeps coming back every 4 years. Perhaps this year will have a different outcome...

Or, to re-phrase an old saying from a friend of mine...from your keyboard to God's email box.

Sadder still, the alewife and I are gonna miss this weekend's Alaska series...and we don't even mind.

But then, at the very least, the recent Markell-focused commentary has made me re-institute my old sig line.

 

[THE OHIO STATE]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

BREWMASTER ,



All CCHA Coaches Agree: Markell Should Stay.



Now that's " FUNNY. "

 

[osualum86]

Re: More Sequels than Friday the 13th--Scarier, Too

Re: More Sequels than Friday the 13th--Scarier, Too

Or, to re-phrase an old saying from a friend of mine...from your keyboard to God's email box.

Sadder still, the alewife and I are gonna miss this weekend's Alaska series...and we don't even mind.

But then, at the very least, the recent Markell-focused commentary has made me re-institute my old sig line.

Brewmaster, love the sig line. It's going to be an interesting offseason for us OSU Hockey fans, that's for sure. Looking ahead to the remainder of the schedule, I think we can get nine more points, which should give us a first round home series. I don't think we get up into the top four, but 40 points should get us somewhere in the 5 - 8 range where we get a first round home series. I see a split against Alaska this weekend. We're not playing good enough hockey right now for me to predict a sweep against a decent team like Alaska. Hopefully we sweep Western Michigan the weekend after that because we'll need those six points. We end the season with a home and home against Miami. I see zero points in that series. Who knows, maybe we sweep Alaska this weekend instead of just splitting. It's a shame. This season should have been much better. When you go to the NCAA Tournament and almost everyone is back, you expect to build on that the next season, not go backward.

 

[----]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

I need a reason in the next 3 weeks (or offseason ) to renew season tickets. 10 years and the last 5 have been same ol'..... Don't know if its worth 2 hrs each way for something I can predict.


so frustrating....

go bucks! beat the nanooks!

 

[THE OHIO STATE]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

I need a reason in the next 3 weeks (or offseason ) to renew season tickets. 10 years and the last 5 have been same ol'..... Don't know if its worth 2 hrs each way for something I can predict.


so frustrating....

go bucks! beat the nanooks!

Do me a favor and at least give it a chance if they get a NEW COACH.


GO BUCKS GO.

 

[osualum86]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

I need a reason in the next 3 weeks (or offseason ) to renew season tickets. 10 years and the last 5 have been same ol'..... Don't know if its worth 2 hrs each way for something I can predict.


so frustrating....

go bucks! beat the nanooks!

----, two hours one way, that's dedication! I only live an hour and fifteen minutes from campus and I don't have season tickets. I won't even think of shelling out the $$$ for season tickets until the athletic administration shows me that it is serious about putting a championship-caliber hockey program on the ice. Hopefully this offseason, the administration will give us all a reason to renew/purchase season tickets. I agree with you, too, that it's been same-old, same-old for the last five seasons. I actually read through the thread that was linked earlier on this page. I just wonder if those that were defending Markell still feel that way or if they have since changed their stance and think that it just might be time to make a change. I'm looking at the rest of the season, and I am just not seeing us winning enough games to save Markell's job. We may get a first round home series in the CCHA Tournament, but I don't see us getting out of the second round when we'll have to go on the road to Ferris State, Miami, Michigan, or Michigan State. Getting bounced out of the CCHA Tournament in the second round and no NCAA Tournament berth will not be acceptable, nor should it be acceptable in any case, and I don't see Markell's contract getting renewed.

 

[Draighlicht]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

For me this entire discussion comes down to one thing: is the OSU Athletic Department content with the occasional winning season and a mediocre program or do they care enough about hockey to try and upgrade. The current coach has had ample opportunity to demonstrate how far he can take the program.

When I heard they were raising the price of football and basketball tickets for next season I checked the fine print. They didn't have the nerve to raise the price of hockey tickets. Here's a suggestion for them. Raise the price of tickets $1 and give it to a coach who can put a winning product on the ice. Of course the way the attendance is tanking there probably wouldn't be enough in that fund to pay an assistant.

 

[HckyDoc]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

Yup. Kind of like Leap Year: keeps coming back every 4 years. Perhaps this year will have a different outcome...

Feels more like Bill Murray in Groundhogs Day. However, Bill did learn and make adjustments, it doesn't seem as though this current coaching staff can do the same. It looks from afar that last year must have been a case of good team chemistry and some luck that overcame the same old coaching. Some thoughts and limited observations. One is that any team that has lost it's top recruiter prior to the season's start 2 years in a row is going to suffer somewhat from their leaving. It is those guys that have the relationships with the players those relationships lead to good team chemistry. That bond seems to be gone now that they have left, or has eroded as it seems Markell does not have that relationship with the players. Also he has the tendency to blame the players after every loss. He complains about stupid penalties yet according to what has been reported here he continues to play those players. He talks about the players deviating from or breakdowns in the system, but there doesn't seem to be consequences for those transgressions. Two the players are probably just as frustrated as the fans are with how the season has gone and that leads to the selfish play that was also mentioned. The players need to bear some of the responsibility but from what we have read here and I have heard around the league is that the coaching staff has been in panic mode since the first weekend of the season. That kind of chaos and, as Arpod and others have alluded to (see above), some players receiving special treatment can kill even good team chemistry.

 

[Brewmaster]

I Wonder if Bill Murray Could Coach Hockey

I Wonder if Bill Murray Could Coach Hockey

The recent posts have me thinking about Markell and OSU men's hockey on a variety of levels.

First, attendance. I've noticed that a lot of the "regulars"--people who used to sit in and around my section at the Schott (122) are no longer there. And now, in this thread, we have folks openly admitting that either they 1) may not renew their season tickets or 2) have already reduced the number of games their going to. I've missed more games this year--voluntarily--than I have since I've been a season ticket holder (1994-1995). And those games in '94-'95-'96 were bad, bad, bad. But then, back then, you kind of expected them to be. Occasionally, you'd leave a game surprised and pleased. Today, you leave them disappointed and angry.

Moreover, that fan apathy has to show up, somewhere, somehow, in OSU Athletic Dept.'s financial data. Factor in that this is Markell's contract renewal year and I wonder if the AD's attention might focus briefly but necessarily to the issue of Markell's future tenure. In short, his hand might be forced. We'll see.

Second, after this season's long day's journey into night ends, I wonder what kind of exodus in talent we'll see as well. Will Dalpe leave? Albert? Bartkowski? If so, does that put more--or less--pressure on the administration to relieve Markell of his duties? Personally, I think if such losses occur it's unrelated to that decision, but to use HckyDoc's analogy, it's the Groundhog's Day syndrome becoming manifest again. We've seen this before, and we've been hearing I Got You, Babe played waaayyy too many times now.

Finally, one wonders if Markell is shown the door what kind of coach OSU would try to go after. My favorite fantasy-hockey scenario is that the Bucks steal Gwozdecky from Denver so he can come back and haunt his former employer at that school down south. On the other hand, I'm not sure there's anything wrong with pursuing an up-an-coming coach either. It's a tough call, but given the financial climate I'd bet on the latter choice.

But for now we've got to live (suffer?) through the rest of the season. Cue up Sonny and Cher one more time....

 

[THE OHIO STATE]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

The fans will come back as soon as this team gets back to winning some games and can stay over 500%.


Sometimes the organization needs a change to jump start the program back to life.

The A-Director should get both sides of the story and talk to the players and Coaches about the direction this team is headed. If Markell was coaching in the NHL , he would be sitting in his lazy-boy recliner watching college hockey at home along time ago.


I think Dalpe and ? will be gone to the NHL next year. Both were asked last year but wanted to wait hoping they could go far this year after coming of a good season last year.


The good news is we will have both goalies back next year.


What scares me is the Coaching staff with-out signed contracts this late in the season is, what drive do they have to recruit new talented players if they know there possibly gone next year.



Go BUCKS GO , Surprise us and start " PEAKING " for the playoffs. EH.

 

[Arpod]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

I think that with the 'right' coach and even a marginally increased investment by the University (um, marketing perhaps?) tOSU could compete for recruits with the top programs. Facilities and infrastructure and academically-wise tOSU is certainly way up there and has much to offer. There would appear to be some decent recruits in the wings for '10 and '11 (stellar goal tender, Gibson, if he actually shows up in '11). After that, who knows, but with a well respected staff in place, I think more top-end kids would consider tOSU. Frankly, in the coaching and scouting world-at-large, Markell is not particularly well respected as a coach. Even a modest upgrade could have a significant impact on performance, attendance, etc. As for next year, I would venture a guess that Dalpe, Albert, and Bishop will be gone; probably not Bartkowski (he is an engineering major and I would guess he will stick the 4 years to have that degree in hand, but just a guess) or Sims. We could also lose other players such as Shafer, Schneider, and Steffishen if the coaching staff does not turn over, as they appear to me to have gotten pretty screwed (IMHO) this year. On any team there will be kids who can play that, for what ever reason, are just off the 'active' list, but the talent we have had sitting in the stands on any given game night puzzles me. Perhaps there are attitude or behavior or other factors at work that are not obvious but are keeping them out of the lineup or in limited duty (which certainly is common with any team), but I just don't get it.

Oh well, I'm not a coach so I'll just sit back and b !t ch like everyone else...

 

[osualum86]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

For me this entire discussion comes down to one thing: is the OSU Athletic Department content with the occasional winning season and a mediocre program or do they care enough about hockey to try and upgrade. The current coach has had ample opportunity to demonstrate how far he can take the program.

Draighlicht, my thoughts exactly. Gene Smith is always saying, "We expect all our programs to be championship programs." We'll all find out in the offseason if that is true, or just idle chatter. And I definitely agree that having been here for 15+ seasons, Markell has had more than enough time to get this program to the next level.

 

[Draighlicht]

Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

One other thing to consider in this discussion is the increased presence of the Big Ten Network. They intend to do more hockey in the future. Don't be surprised if they promote more round robin style play, and that adds Wisconsin and Minnesota to OSU's schedule on a semi frequent basis. Needless to say but that should increase attendance at the Schott. Those two schools have a bit more pizazz than Ferris State and Lake Superior (Western and Northern Michigan still have that 'Michigan' word in their names).

The Big Ten Network could have the effect of making OSU more appealing to more coaches should (when) Markell (be) is replaced. Semi frequent games on TV appeals to players and parents of players.

I have my own private list of folks I'd like them to talk to, but until there's an official vacancy I'll keep it private (but I hope my friends in Oxford read this just so they have to worry ).