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Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

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What is up with OSU's Attendance this year?


Is it just because they haven't played conference games yet at home? Or is that what they are really expecting.

First two home series were Thurs/Fri, Thurs. never going to be a better attendance night than Saturday. Plus the Friday against Denver was played off campus, didn't help.
 
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I asked this a few days ago on the OSU-NMU thread but it got lost in the "shuffle".

Just wondering which players for OSU the Cats should be worried about. Also who will be in goal?

For NMU keep an eye out for Olver of course, but also watch for Florek and Hanson. You also might see Reid Ellingson in net at least one of the games. Stewart has struggled so far and Ellingson has at least been steady.

NMU hasn't had much success at your big arena for whatever reason. I wouldn't be shocked by a Buckeye sweep.
 
OSU Hockey Attendance: Why The Decline?

OSU Hockey Attendance: Why The Decline?

First two home series were Thurs/Fri, Thurs. never going to be a better attendance night than Saturday. Plus the Friday against Denver was played off campus, didn't help.
Legitimate points.

And yet, this Fall's numbers still bother me for several reasons. First on the list is that the players deserve better.

Beyond that, I remain concerned that this calls into question the size of our core fan base. Thursday games will certainly cost of us some casual fans, but that shouldn't have a drastic effect on the hard cores. As for games at Nationwide, the change of venue will cost us some students, but should actually attract some additional fans that are used to attending CBJ games downtown.

This weekend's series will put your explanation to the test. We have a longstanding conference foe in town, the games are Friday/Saturday, and FB is on the road. If we have a normal Fall Quarter crowd, great. If not, the head scratching continues.
 
If the goal light goes on, and no one is there, does anyone see it???

If the goal light goes on, and no one is there, does anyone see it???

And yet, this Fall's numbers still bother me for several reasons. First on the list is that the players deserve better.

Beyond that, I remain concerned that this calls into question the size of our core fan base. Thursday games will certainly cost of us some casual fans, but that shouldn't have a drastic effect on the hard cores. As for games at Nationwide, the change of venue will cost us some students, but should actually attract some additional fans that are used to attending CBJ games downtown.

This weekend's series will put your explanation to the test. We have a longstanding conference foe in town, the games are Friday/Saturday, and FB is on the road. If we have a normal Fall Quarter crowd, great. If not, the head scratching continues.

pgb-ohio: I share your concern, and compliment you on your earlier review of the attendance woes.

Some additional thoughts: let's begin with the woeful lack of media coverage. Tonight's game didn't even get a mention anywhere in today's Dispatch. We did, however, get thoughts about Terrelle Pryor from the Texas football coach--that was front page news, BTW. We also got to read about Coach Tressel's thoughts on their retro unis that won't be won't be worn until November 21st. That's page 3. We did, however, find out that Villanova beat Kutztown in bounceyball. I was holding my breath for that. In short, OSU hockey is out of mind and out of sight with the local media.

The lack of identifiable competition. This is an extension of your both your "Competition with Football" and "Unattractive Opponents" points. COWlumbusans know the Big Ten schools. Some still think OSU plays in the Big Ten for hockey. That myopia--coupled with the obsession with that school up north--means traditional hockey powers, the Denvers, the North Dakotas, the Bostons (U&C) won't even pop on their radar screen. Throw in a Quinnipiac, or a Northern Michigan, and the awareness drops to zero. Remember when we hosted the F4 a few years ago??? The Dispatch actually printed a map showing where the schools were located. That was helpful--I always wondered where Denver was. The only thing that helps to boost attendance beyond the Michigan matchup is when we play Miami, or Bowling Green, which helps garner competitive support from both their current fan base and its alumni living in central Ohio.

A loss ends your season. With football dominating the mental and emotional landscape, the concept of losing more than two games in a single season is unfathomable. And, let's face it, many Buckeye fans have the ability to jump on and off a bandwagon at a warpspeed rate. Hockey fans know that losses happen. A "good" hockey season would be the rough equivalent of FOUR football losses. Horrors! Why bother going to an Ohio State hockey game when they MIGHT lose???

The lack of awareness of college alumni in the NHL. Until RJ Umberger came back to town, I'm not sure many BlueJackets fan even knew his name. Dave Steckel? Nah. Ryan Kesler? Nope. And, I think, many BlueJackets fans are Johnny-come-latelys to hockey anyway. College hockey is probably seen on the same level with college volleyball. A great way to get your education paid for, but with no professional future after that.

Certainly, there is a small, dedicated corps of OSU hockey fans. I think we all reside here. And even we are few and far between. How does that fan base expand? I'm not sure it can. It may very well be a function of the city itself and its sports culture.
 
Re: If the goal light goes on, and no one is there, does anyone see it???

Re: If the goal light goes on, and no one is there, does anyone see it???

pgb-ohio: I share your concern, and compliment you on your earlier review of the attendance woes.

Some additional thoughts: let's begin with the woeful lack of media coverage. Tonight's game didn't even get a mention anywhere in today's Dispatch. We did, however, get thoughts about Terrelle Pryor from the Texas football coach--that was front page news, BTW. We also got to read about Coach Tressel's thoughts on their retro unis that won't be won't be worn until November 21st. That's page 3. We did, however, find out that Villanova beat Kutztown in bounceyball. I was holding my breath for that. In short, OSU hockey is out of mind and out of sight with the local media.

The lack of identifiable competition. This is an extension of your both your "Competition with Football" and "Unattractive Opponents" points. COWlumbusans know the Big Ten schools. Some still think OSU plays in the Big Ten for hockey. That myopia--coupled with the obsession with that school up north--means traditional hockey powers, the Denvers, the North Dakotas, the Bostons (U&C) won't even pop on their radar screen. Throw in a Quinnipiac, or a Northern Michigan, and the awareness drops to zero. Remember when we hosted the F4 a few years ago??? The Dispatch actually printed a map showing where the schools were located. That was helpful--I always wondered where Denver was. The only thing that helps to boost attendance beyond the Michigan matchup is when we play Miami, or Bowling Green, which helps garner competitive support from both their current fan base and its alumni living in central Ohio.

A loss ends your season. With football dominating the mental and emotional landscape, the concept of losing more than two games in a single season is unfathomable. And, let's face it, many Buckeye fans have the ability to jump on and off a bandwagon at a warpspeed rate. Hockey fans know that losses happen. A "good" hockey season would be the rough equivalent of FOUR football losses. Horrors! Why bother going to an Ohio State hockey game when they MIGHT lose???

The lack of awareness of college alumni in the NHL. Until RJ Umberger came back to town, I'm not sure many BlueJackets fan even knew his name. Dave Steckel? Nah. Ryan Kesler? Nope. And, I think, many BlueJackets fans are Johnny-come-latelys to hockey anyway. College hockey is probably seen on the same level with college volleyball. A great way to get your education paid for, but with no professional future after that.

Certainly, there is a small, dedicated corps of OSU hockey fans. I think we all reside here. And even we are few and far between. How does that fan base expand? I'm not sure it can. It may very well be a function of the city itself and its sports culture.


Well said.
 
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I bet the Blue Jackets really hate football. During football season, many season tickets holders won't go to hockey on Friday because sons and daughters are tied up with HS football. On Saturday they schedule around the football Bucks the best they can, still at a loss. On Sunday, the NHL loses out to the NFL every time. Football hurts the Jackets more than then OSU hockey, but it certainly doesn't help.

Here's an idea, instead of New Mexico State, OSU football should just permanently schedule Bowling Green and work with the CCHA to have the Falcons play here the same weekend. BG is more identifiable than Q, Bently or St. Lawrence, could help somewhat. I don't see any benefits Ohio State got from sending NMState, a check for $850,000, sending that cash to BG would help keep the hockey afloat.
 
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

I was proud of OSU getting two PP goals last week in the win at ND. Tonight, first PP looked good, even though they did not score. It was all down hill after that, what a stinker.
 
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

The effort was there tonight finishing around the net was not. i counted 4 times that buckeye players had the puck either go over or under there sticks with a open net in the first period. I feel bad for dusty he has played very will the last 2 games and nothing to show for it but 2 losses. The line of Albert, Boots and Bishop was all over the ice tonight it seemed like everytime they were on the ice a scoring chance followed.

This team has a couple of similarites to that 06-07 team and its not a good thing:
Both teams picked in the top of the conference. Neither team got off to good starts the 06 team was 2-1 but it went south from there. Lets hope tis team can shake off this tough start.
Both teams got solid goaltending and couldnt score goals.
something this team has that the 06 team didnt is good leadership and I am hoping the leaders on this team will find a way to get this going in the right direction and start picking up some wins somethingthat the 06 team couldnt do.

Something i am going to complain about is with 4:06 to play down 1-0 and a face off deep in the northern zone NMU sends out Olver's line who does Markell send out the line of Schinder, McNeil and CJ. why in the world would you send out yoru 4th line down by a goal late in the game and you have a face off deep in the offensive zone. He plays the 3rd and 4th line way to much in the 3rd period. when they are not getting chances and even at times couldnt get out of their own end at some point your best players have to be on the ice more than not. Also on the PP i would like to see Albert and Dalpe put together some.
 
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Also on the PP i would like to see Albert and Dalpe put together some.

On the PP, I understand the D-men of Bart and Sims. Bart is the best D guy they have and Sims has a hard shot. But , IMO, Toy has to on the PP, I've always thought he did well in that situation, he will at least shoot the puck.

Another sign of eroding college hockey, no radio broadcast. When I'm running late to a game, it was always nice to listen to the game on the way, plus listen to Herbie and the recap on the way home. Need I not mention a radio feed for away games. With OSU affiliated with two public radio station, certainly they can find room for Buckeye hockey. If your just going to have a web-cast, why three announcers? I know this sounds just like a blue grass ramble.
 
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

The FB game will barely be over by the time the puck drops. With Jackets home and HS football, crowd should be way down tonight.
 
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I found it interesting that in the game program on the roster page, most of the line that has the coaches' names had been deleted prior to printing. Are they getting ready for next year already???

I've got to think if this keeps up, we will be getting a new coach next year.

Why does Markell not switch up the goalies since Heeter seems to get a better result when he plays?
 
More On Attendance...

More On Attendance...

Well, the good news is that our attendance doubled last night.:) The bad news is that we officially had a crowd of 2218, still well below minimum standards.:( The head scratching continues.

pgb-ohio: I share your concern, and compliment you on your earlier review of the attendance woes.
Thanks, and I certainly return the compliment.

Some additional thoughts: let's begin with the woeful lack of media coverage. Tonight's game didn't even get a mention anywhere in today's Dispatch. We did, however, get thoughts about Terrelle Pryor from the Texas football coach--that was front page news, BTW. We also got to read about Coach Tressel's thoughts on their retro unis that won't be won't be worn until November 21st. That's page 3. We did, however, find out that Villanova beat Kutztown in bounceyball. I was holding my breath for that. In short, OSU hockey is out of mind and out of sight with the local media.
Well put, and all too true.

We do get occasional feature stories in the Dispatch, usually after FB season is over. But since the departure of Craig Merz from the paper, the level of coverage has declined.

The 11:00 News also partially wakes up later in the season. Every now and then a couple of goals will be shown on the sportscast. Of course you better score the pretty goals early on, because the cameraman will be gone before the end of the second period.;)

The lack of identifiable competition. This is an extension of your both your "Competition with Football" and "Unattractive Opponents" points. COWlumbusans know the Big Ten schools. Some still think OSU plays in the Big Ten for hockey. That myopia--coupled with the obsession with that school up north--means traditional hockey powers, the Denvers, the North Dakotas, the Bostons (U&C) won't even pop on their radar screen. Throw in a Quinnipiac, or a Northern Michigan, and the awareness drops to zero. Remember when we hosted the F4 a few years ago??? The Dispatch actually printed a map showing where the schools were located. That was helpful--I always wondered where Denver was. The only thing that helps to boost attendance beyond the Michigan matchup is when we play Miami, or Bowling Green, which helps garner competitive support from both their current fan base and its alumni living in central Ohio.
The crowds are noticeably larger for Michigan State, and there usually is some bump for Notre Dame. But those amendments actually support your point. I'm just slightly less pessimistic.

I also think that the other CCHA opponents have some name recognition here. While both attendance numbers are discouraging, it is true that Northern Michigan outdrew Denver by 1,000 fans under similar circumstances. At least for a few fans, there was more awareness of NMU's conference tie-in than Denver's national standing.

A loss ends your season. With football dominating the mental and emotional landscape, the concept of losing more than two games in a single season is unfathomable. And, let's face it, many Buckeye fans have the ability to jump on and off a bandwagon at a warpspeed rate. Hockey fans know that losses happen. A "good" hockey season would be the rough equivalent of FOUR football losses. Horrors! Why bother going to an Ohio State hockey game when they MIGHT lose???
I've never thought of it exactly this way; you may be on to something.

Fans everywhere prefer a winner; that's nothing new. So the question is whether the problem is actually worse here than elsewhere.

It could be. I've long noticed that the "Herd Ethic" is much stronger in Columbus than most places. If you manage to gain acceptance in our marketplace, you're extremely well supported. If you fail to gain acceptance, you're likely to be completely ignored. Finding a niche with a medium level of support is tough here. And this goes way beyond the world of sports.

What you're saying is that the local herd won't accept any W-L record that's below the OSU FB level. If true, that's sad. And it might be true.

The lack of awareness of college alumni in the NHL. Until RJ Umberger came back to town, I'm not sure many BlueJackets fan even knew his name. Dave Steckel? Nah. Ryan Kesler? Nope. And, I think, many BlueJackets fans are Johnny-come-latelys to hockey anyway. College hockey is probably seen on the same level with college volleyball. A great way to get your education paid for, but with no professional future after that.
The word isn't out, that's for sure. The marketing people really should bring this message to our potential fans. Instead, the focus is usually on goofy promotions between periods. While there's nothing wrong with having fun, there's educational work that's being left undone.

If anything, there's been less marketing of the Hockey Bucks than usual. Given the economic downturn, maybe that's understandable. Still, even squib ads in the Dispatch listing game times apparently make a difference. We haven't even seen that this season.

Certainly, there is a small, dedicated corps of OSU hockey fans. I think we all reside here. And even we are few and far between. How does that fan base expand? I'm not sure it can. It may very well be a function of the city itself and its sports culture.
Food for thought -- and cause for more head scratching. But I'd certainly hate to see that small, dedicated base actually shrink, and my fear is that it may be happening.

Let me close with a totally out-of-the-box thought. Maybe the Big Ten Network is to blame.:)

OK, I'm partially kidding. But bear with me for just a moment. With the expanded coverage BTN offers, it is now possible for fans to engorge themselves entirely on Big Football, to the exclusion of all else on the sports menu. With a DVR, you can now watch every single BT FB game. There is also new FB feature programming every weeknight.

If there's any truth to this, it's tremendously ironic. One of the justifications for the BTN was that it would provide more exposure for the "Olympic" sports. While it's certainly an open question, this may be backfiring -- at least during FB season.
 
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

What is it going to take to get this team to learn how to " WIN " on a Friday night game? :confused:

I WISH I had a " MAGIC " wand to wave over this team to help them get PUCKS in the net. :D

With this JR core of players watching them play is like good and bad , all or nothing. There's no middle ground. :eek:


Rotate the Freshman players more , Carlson with a goal and shots , McNeil played in every game with only 2 shots , Kirkland has only played in two games and maybe could help if given the chance. :cool:

Go back to sitting some of the vetern players that are not hustling.

You can pretty much count on John Albert gone for next year to the pros. He is a stand-out and he will get called up to the farm team. :cool:


" GO BUCKS "
 
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

Why does Markell not switch up the goalies since Heeter seems to get a better result when he plays?

If these guys would SCORE for Dustin maybe he would get better results too. We did not lose that game last night because of hte goalie. No way.
 
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Another " WIN " on Saturday night for the boys. :) 5-4.

I think we should call this team " SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIAL. " :D


I feel sorry for both of the Goalies , because our defense needs HELP. :mad:


OH well , a series split is better than getting " SWEPT. " :p


" GO BUCKEYES GO. "
 
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

I have a suggestion.

OSU needs to schedule Thursday night games against the OSU club team to get the "bored to be here" game out of their system before heading into a Friday / Saturday series against regular teams.:D

Managed to see only the good parts of the Saturday game as I got there in the middle of the second period. Missed the first part of the game while I was at the OSU vs. Michigan soccer game where OSU earned its first ever Big Ten title. Good 1-0 win and the best celebration of a team wearing scarlet and gray since the hockey team won the CCHA tourney at Joe Louis.

Starting to feel sorry for Dustin Carlson. The guy needs a win.
 
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The good news is they won. They won against a good team after being down 2 goals.
On the negative side, Friday night's game was very winnable, a lost opportunity. Also they were zero for the WE on the PP.
Still work to do.
 
Just A Little More On Attendance...

Just A Little More On Attendance...

Saturday Night Attendance: 1815

That's down 403 from Friday night. All things considered, that particular change is acceptable. One of the biggest FB games of the year (TV) ended 20 minutes before face-off. The biggest Buckeye Soccer game of the year was being played right next door at Jesse Owens. That made Draighlicht late, and probably cost us a few more fans.

But the base level of support is still waay too low. If Friday's crowd had been 5,000 and we had gone down to 4,600, I'd be a much happier camper.:o


On the bright side, congrats to the Buckeyes for fighting to the end and pulling out the win. Great job by Somma on the tip and Dalpe on the screen. I could have sworn Dalpe also got a piece of the puck, but apparently it grazed one of the Wildcat defenders on the way into the net.
 
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )

So I was just curious about the difference between the goalies (or maybe it's the difference between Friday and Saturday nights) Here are the numbers.

Carlson is 0-5 with a 2.6 GAA and a .9272 save %. He has allowed 13 goals in 5 games and the Bucks have scored a total of FIVE goals for him. He's faced 165 shots and made 30 or more saves in 4 out of 5 games, and in the 1 other game he saved 28.

Heeter is 4-1 with a 2.2 GAA and a .9225 save %. He has allowed 11 goals in 5 games and the Bucks have scored a total of ELEVEN goals for him. He has faced 142 shots and has only made more than 30 saves in 1 game. His lowest amount of saves was last night when he had 18.

So what this tells me is that our team has 2 pretty solid goalies and we play very inconsistently consistent in front of them if that makes any sense at all. Maybe Dustin should ask Markell if he can play Saturday's game this week so that he could get a win.
 
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