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Ohio State - It's officially the off-season

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Puck Buck said:
Very crowded...this is going to be interesting...

Here is another Oddo article, evidently one time rated highly enough to be ranked by CSB, an early UNO commit, and it appears a combination of coaching change and perhaps lack of development caused UNO to pull the scholarship....

I wonder if our friend who is so concerned about OZ running people off will take it upon himself to carry on a one man campaign against Blais and UNO over this one...

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100414/SPORTS/704149771
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I'm flattered that you remembered....

I don't have a problem with a new coach taking a two or three year verbal commitment off the table from a prior coaching regime BEFORE a player arrives at the school. It happens. Any player/family that verbally commits to a school when the kid is 16 years old or younger has to expect that things may change in two or three years down the road. A new coach coming into a program should take the time to look at the recruits coming in and evaluate for himself.

Case in point is Brad Smith RW. He was a commit for Ohio State 11/9/2006. Still listed as a 2011 recruit after Osiecki took over until just after this past Christmas. Obviously, he doesn't fit into Osiecki's plans, so is no longer on the incoming recruit list.
Do I feel badly for the kid? Yes. But, like Oddo, will hopefully find something else. My issue is Osiecki cutting players (2 Juniors and a Senior) on the existing roster three weeks into the school year for no other reason other than he wanted their scholarship money for recruiting for 2011. He told all three of the Canadians that they were being released due to a "numbers" issue.
Just take a look at the size of his recruiting class coming in...how many are we up to now? Lots of extra cash to play with now that two "foreign" scholarships were freed up in their senior year.
And...since you brought it up....how many players did Blais at UNO cut from the existing roster when he took over as head coach? Zero.
 
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Sportsfan1 said:
I'm flattered that you remembered....

I don't have a problem with a new coach taking a two or three year verbal commitment off the table from a prior coaching regime BEFORE a player arrives at the school. It happens. Any player/family that verbally commits to a school when the kid is 16 years old or younger has to expect that things may change in two or three years down the road. A new coach coming into a program should take the time to look at the recruits coming in and evaluate for himself.
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A distinction without a difference - and I would actually argue what you accept is much more harmful to the individual player.

In what you accept as OK, a player might be out ever receiving a dime to play college hockey, it might very well be that he accepted the offer over other schools, now the new coach says he doesn't want him, and the other schools have moved on.

In the situation that I think is OK, a player still maintains the educational money promised to him, but he is no longer going to be playing hockey for that school. I think that is a pretty fair deal. Now, I suppose you could argue that the player should be "allowed" or "welcome" to stay on the team, but if it is clear the coach is telling him he isn't going to play, what good does that do anybody? (that is a rhetorical question, but I suppose we could ask Dustin Carlson for his POV) As I have stated before, if the school yanks the education money from a current player - that I disagree with - but if they stay on scholarship and are just no longer playing hockey - why should we give a ****?

My issue is Osiecki cutting players (2 Juniors and a Senior) on the existing roster three weeks into the school year for no other reason other than he wanted their scholarship money for recruiting for 2011. He told all three of the Canadians that they were being released due to a "numbers" issue.
Just take a look at the size of his recruiting class coming in...how many are we up to now? Lots of extra cash to play with now that two "foreign" scholarships were freed up in their senior year.
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While trying to wrap my head around how having a senior in 2010 leave the team frees up any additional money for 2011...

I do notice that at least 5 of the incoming players are from Canada...and I also notice Ohio native Patrick Schafer left the team mid-season (and judging by his comments out the door, he didn't seem to think Oz's treatment of him was nefarious in any way)...so I am struggling to see how this is some sort of US/Canada problem - not sure if your role is Kevin Pollak or John Candy in this conversation - but it certainly seems a stretch.
 
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Puck Buck said:
A distinction without a difference - and I would actually argue what you accept is much more harmful to the individual player.

In what you accept as OK, a player might be out ever receiving a dime to play college hockey, it might very well be that he accepted the offer over other schools, now the new coach says he doesn't want him, and the other schools have moved on.

In the situation that I think is OK, a player still maintains the educational money promised to him, but he is no longer going to be playing hockey for that school. I think that is a pretty fair deal. Now, I suppose you could argue that the player should be "allowed" or "welcome" to stay on the team, but if it is clear the coach is telling him he isn't going to play, what good does that do anybody? (that is a rhetorical question, but I suppose we could ask Dustin Carlson for his POV) As I have stated before, if the school yanks the education money from a current player - that I disagree with - but if they stay on scholarship and are just no longer playing hockey - why should we give a ****?



While trying to wrap my head around how having a senior in 2010 leave the team frees up any additional money for 2011...

I do notice that at least 5 of the incoming players are from Canada...and I also notice Ohio native Patrick Schafer left the team mid-season (and judging by his comments out the door, he didn't seem to think Oz's treatment of him was nefarious in any way)...so I am struggling to see how this is some sort of US/Canada problem - not sure if your role is Kevin Pollak or John Candy in this conversation - but it certainly seems a stretch.
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What??????

The only thing that I can even make sense of and respond to is this...the two Junior players that were cut last October....their scholarships are indeed honored for their school year (Junior year). The reason for that is because they were cut although there was no breach of their NCAA contract. The school had to honor their scholarship for the school year if they choose to stay.
Now that they are no longer part of the team, there is no scholarship money available to them as student athletes for their senior year, 2011/2012.
That scholarship money (in this case 2011) is now available for more recruitments.
As I've said before...there will be Canadians making future commitments to Ohio State. No argument there. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. My point is that as Canadians, these students are "foreign" students, and the tuition/scholarship funding dollar wise is significantly higher than a US student.
 
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Shane Sims on ATO with New York Islanders...

Congratulations Shane!
Well deserved
 
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I do notice that at least 5 of the incoming players are from Canada...and I also notice Ohio native Patrick Schafer left the team mid-season (and judging by his comments out the door, he didn't seem to think Oz's treatment of him was nefarious in any way)...so I am struggling to see how this is some sort of US/Canada problem - not sure if your role is Kevin Pollak or John Candy in this conversation - but it certainly seems a stretch.[/QUOTE]

Since that was brought up. How did the kids enjoy Oz's treatment of them? I heard some rumblings that there are some that didn't enjoy how they were treated. Any thoughts?
 
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Buckeyefan2009 said:
Since that was brought up. How did the kids enjoy Oz's treatment of them? I heard some rumblings that there are some that didn't enjoy how they were treated. Any thoughts?
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This probably won't be universally accepted...and may even seem harsh...

But...

I am not overly interested in what Markell's players have to say about OZ.

I hope they like him, I hope they excel, I hope it is everything they hoped for from a college career and more...

But I am much more interested in what OZ's recruits have to say about their experience with the coach and the school - and since there isn't a single player that played this year who was recruited by OZ - I am not really concerned with what they think.

He is on the clock in October, color me interested...
 
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Puck Buck said:
This probably won't be universally accepted...and may even seem harsh...

But...

I am not overly interested in what Markell's players have to say about OZ.
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Accepted? Harsh? How about cruel? Would you settle for "how about true?" :D
 
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Any information about OSU's schedule for 2011-2012, especially in October?
 
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OSUfan84 said:
Any information about OSU's schedule for 2011-2012, especially in October?
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OSU is usually one of the last schools to announce its schedule, and most of us know what it is from looking at the announcements from the opponents rather than learning it from OSU. i do remember reading that they have a two year home/away schedule set up with Alabama Huntsville with the 2011 games being in Columbus.
 
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OSU and Miami are back to four games this season.....

Miami released their schedule - here's the part pertaining to OSU

A road trip to Northern Michigan follows the Denver Cup while the `Hawks and Buckeyes play the first of their home-and-home weekends Dec. 9 (at OSU) and Dec. 10 (in Oxford). The in-state rivals also close out the regular season Feb. 24 in Oxford and Feb. 25 in Columbus.
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Alaska Fairbanks at the Schott 10/28 and 10/29
Northern at the Schott 11/11 and 11/12
Miami at the Schott 12/9 and 2/25, and in Oxford 12/10 and 2/24

No info yet on MI, BGSU, MSU, ND, WMU websites...
 
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Casey Jones now head coach at Clarkston
Michigan just added a goalie, Gibson, I believe he was once ticketed to OSU under Markel
 
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Somebodys high on OSU's recruits...

collegehockeysource.com

Hjelle - 7th best incoming goalie.
Dzingel - 5th F
Gallagher - 27th best incoming D.
 
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http://cchockey.freedomblogging.com/

CC defenseman Doug Leaverton is leaving the program and is considering transferring to OSU or PSU. He was a sophomore last year, and would need to sit out the 2011-2012 season. He would have 2 years of eligibility remaining.

I thought he was a smart, solid defenseman with a good physical edge to his game. CC's defense was definitely a weak point, but that makes it sound worse for Leaverton than it was. CC had a pretty solid top 4 and another 4 guys who were relatively equal (although with very different skill sets) who battled for limited minutes on the third pair. Leaverton was on the outside of that for the second half of the year, and with 3 very highly regarded USHL defensemen coming in for just one graduating senior, the writing was on the wall. I expect that he'll be able to step in and be a solid player for whichever school he ends up with.
 
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