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Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

Danny proved at UNH he doesnt care about the team, such a waste of talent. At least he didn't wait till the NCAA's to screw you guys over
Perhaps, you may be right but I really like his family and won't make my final judgement until we hear what supposedly happened.
 
Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

Danny proved at UNH he doesnt care about the team, such a waste of talent. At least he didn't wait till the NCAA's to screw you guys over

Why does this player have a hard time staying out of trouble and following team rules? He's a good player but with a negative attitude he might just get passed up on the scouts radar. SAD.
 
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Are you saying our men's team will be relegated to playing a first-round CCHA playoff series at the OSU Ice Rink?!? Are you kidding me?!? What am I saying, this happens all the time. Sure is going to be disappointing finishing 6th out of 6 teams in the Big Ten Hockey Conference in the future because the other five schools make a legitimate commitment to hockey and we don't. OUCH.

Do you honestly think that Penn State will be better than you guys? I don't.
 
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Nope. But please understand that the unavailability of the Schott for the CCHA playoffs has been a festering sore for a number of years. Hence the angst.

When the BTHC launches, I've got to believe that the problem vanishes. We don't know what the BTHC playoff format is going to be, but I can't imagine more than one round being played on campus sites -- if that.

The current problem is that CCHA member schools are being asked to hold two separate weekends open for possible playoff games. By definition, one weekend will be kept off the market needlessly since you can't host two weekends in a row. Next, if you finish 5th, 9th, 10th or 11th, BOTH weekends are needlessly held off the market. During a very busy time on the sports calendar, with highly profitable events vying for space in multi-purpose arenas, the possibility of "wasting" two consecutive weekends is a tough sell. Hence the willingness of the powers-that-be to let outside groups book the facility.

While I understand why this has happened, it still isn't easy for the hockey community to accept.
 
Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

Nope. But please understand that the unavailability of the Schott for the CCHA playoffs has been a festering sore for a number of years. Hence the angst.


The current problem is that CCHA member schools are being asked to hold two separate weekends open for possible playoff games. By definition, one weekend will be kept off the market needlessly since you can't host two weekends in a row. Next, if you finish 5th, 9th, 10th or 11th, BOTH weekends are needlessly held off the market. During a very busy time on the sports calendar, with highly profitable events vying for space in multi-purpose arenas, the possibility of "wasting" two consecutive weekends is a tough sell. Hence the willingness of the powers-that-be to let outside groups book the facility.
You show the logic that OSU uses well PGB which also lays bare the root of the issue - profit, or what some may see as greed. OSU in their long tern contracts with the OHSAA (10 years in length at each signing I believe) shows there was never any intent practically since the Schott was built that they intended for it to be available for all the hockey teams needs. The issue I have with this is the ethics or lack thereof in that a university would allow a high school event to take precedence over their own team in allowing use of the Schott. Would they do this to their other sports if the money was to be made by it? Here is where I take issue with the NCAA, the so called protectors of the integrity of collegiate sports who turn a blind eye to such practices because they themselves have morphed into a multi-million dollar for profit corporation.
 
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What the HECK? The team wins a game and I find this topic on page three!!! LOL. It never made it off the first page when the team was down & out. I did check the win & loss records for the first half of the season & it's not like the team was SMOKIN everyone. They had some nice come from behind wins and some games they barely won. " GO BUCKS GO. "

You guys only have a weeks worth of "fredo" jokes so the thread is bound to fall on a bye week ;)
 
Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

Interesting stat: The Buckeyes are 10 - 2 - 1 when Duddy records a point.
 
Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

You show the logic that OSU uses well PGB which also lays bare the root of the issue - profit, or what some may see as greed.
No one wants their personal interests to be "sold out." That's why my original post included the comment that the situation was difficult for us to accept.

OSU in their long tern contracts with the OHSAA (10 years in length at each signing I believe) shows there was never any intent practically since the Schott was built that they intended for it to be available for all the hockey teams needs.
Can't disagree. Still, the Schott was such a massive upgrade over the pre-renovation Ice Rink that it was essentially impossible to object. The shortcomings of the current arrangement were plainly evident before the Schott even opened. The playoff issue is just one manifestation of many. Being the junior partner in any enterprise has its drawbacks.

The issue I have with this is the ethics or lack thereof in that a university would allow a high school event to take precedence over their own team in allowing use of the Schott.
Partially agree, partially disagree. Scheduling the marquee OHSAA events in the Schottenstein is a legitimate enterprise for reasons that go beyond money. People from every corner of the state should be stakeholders in our university, both in perception and reality. Hosting these events fosters that relationship. And note that the high school events pretty much have to be in March. There may be a week or two of flexibility, but that's about it.

That said, I personally would give the hockey playoffs priority over any outside group. My original post was meant as a description of reality, not a blanket defense of that reality.


Would they do this to their other sports if the money was to be made by it?
To the extent you're talking about any of the teams that have been labeled "Olympic Sports," the answer is yes, IMHO. Football and Men's Hoops would be exempt on this issue, and perhaps Women's Hoops as well. Everybody else's concerns are subject to compromise. Also, change the subject to National TV, and nobody is exempt from compromise -- even almightly Football.

Here is where I take issue with the NCAA, the so called protectors of the integrity of collegiate sports who turn a blind eye to such practices because they themselves have morphed into a multi-million dollar for profit corporation.
I understand your sentiment, but this really is an internal OSU decision. Partially giving up home ice advantage primarily hurts us. Damage to the visiting team and other member schools is much more limited, if there's any damage at all. There's really no justification for the NCAA to intervene. And allowing the NCAA to dictate to us on matters of this nature sounds like a solution that's worse than the problem.
 
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Do you honestly think that Penn State will be better than you guys? I don't.

Could happen sooner rather than later, say within a four year window. The financial commitment is already there. A state of the art hockey only facility is being built as we speak. The last part of the puzzle is putting together a solid coaching staff that can both coach and recruit.

If that happens, and GS continues to treat hockey as an afterthought, then Ped Aggy could definitely pass us by rather quickly.
 
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Do you honestly think that Penn State will be better than you guys? I don't.

They may not be better initially, but with the commitment they are making to hockey (vs the lack of commitment by GS/Athletic Dept), I could see Penn State passing us up in a few seasons. For whatever reason, this university just doesn't want to make a commitment to the sport of ice hockey, so I guess us OSU fans will have to be content with things the way they are.
 
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Between the CBJ and OSU Men's team, the last couple of months have been pretty tough to accept for Columbus hockey fans. But I don't think the future is quite as bleak as the last few posts make it sound. We were probably unreasonably optimistic during last Fall's nice run; but perhaps are feeling overly pessimistic at the current low point. I still expect us to be competitive in the BTHC when that era begins. Dominate the league? Nope, not realistic. But a perennial last place team? I don't believe that either.

I dunno; maybe I'm out of touch on the playoff venue issue. Maybe having a first round series at the Ice Rink is a far greater outrage than I perceive. But if that's the case, what would you have OSU do? Let the opponent host?
 
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They may not be better initially, but with the commitment they are making to hockey (vs the lack of commitment by GS/Athletic Dept), I could see Penn State passing us up in a few seasons. For whatever reason, this university just doesn't want to make a commitment to the sport of ice hockey, so I guess us OSU fans will have to be content with things the way they are.

Free tattoos? ;)
 
Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

Between the CBJ and OSU Men's team, the last couple of months have been pretty tough to accept for Columbus hockey fans. But I don't think the future is quite as bleak as the last few posts make it sound. We were probably unreasonably optimistic during last Fall's nice run; but perhaps are feeling overly pessimistic at the current low point. I still expect us to be competitive in the BTHC when that era begins. Dominate the league? Nope, not realistic. But a perennial last place team? I don't believe that either.

I dunno; maybe I'm out of touch on the playoff venue issue. Maybe having a first round series at the Ice Rink is a far greater outrage than I perceive. But if that's the case, what would you have OSU do? Let the opponent host?
Playing in the barn is better than going on the road thats for sure.
 
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I dunno; maybe I'm out of touch on the playoff venue issue. Maybe having a first round series at the Ice Rink is a far greater outrage than I perceive. But if that's the case, what would you have OSU do? Let the opponent host?
The outrage is that the OSU athletic program operates in the black and doesn't need to bring in the extra money by letting others use the Schott, they just choose to. It was built on the premise it was to be the home venue for our hockey and basketball teams first and foremost and they basically lied about that part of it. As a hockey fan, if I had donated money towards building the Schott I'd be pretty pi*ssed. As far as letting the opponent host, actually we have done that. I don't recall the exact year but is was in the not too distant past that no local venue was available to us and we did indeed have to defer what would have been us hosting a first round playoff series to the opponent's venue. Anybody recall the exact year?
 
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Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

The outrage is that the OSU athletic program operates in the black and doesn't need to bring in the extra money by letting others use the Schott, they just choose to. It was built on the premise it was to be the home venue for our hockey and basketball teams first and foremost and they basically lied about that part of it. As a hockey fan, if I had donated money towards building the Schott I'd be pretty pi*ssed. As far as letting the opponent host, actually we have done that. I don't recall the exact year but is was in the not too distant past that no local venue was available to us and we did indeed have to defer what would have been us hosting a first round playoff series to the opponent's venue. Anybody recall the exact year?

Not sure on the year but i do know it hasnt happened since 1998
 
Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

I dunno; maybe I'm out of touch on the playoff venue issue. Maybe having a first round series at the Ice Rink is a far greater outrage than I perceive. But if that's the case, what would you have OSU do? Let the opponent host?

The obvious answer to what OSU should do is to build a hockey-only facility like the other Big Ten schools have done. I know I am beating a dead horse on that one. We've all been saying that for years.
 
Re: Ohio state " buckeyes " 2011 / 2012 season.

Not sure on the year but i do know it hasnt happened since 1998
I could have sworn otherwise but given my constantly advancing age I will leave room for doubt as my memory does trick me on occasion. I'll research it and find out for certain.
 
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