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Kepler said:
The figures are brown. Presumably it is about immigration.
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Never remember hearing in history class about ancient problems with deer immigration. Of course we really shouldn't judge a deer by the color of its fur you know.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Never remember hearing in history class about ancient problems with deer immigration. Of course we really shouldn't judge a deer by the color of its fur you know.
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You didn't go to school in Wisconsin, eh? :D
 
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47% of the country are slackers vs. not saying that the Bengazi raid was a terror attack right away? Boy is this election over.
 
 
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What a surprise! A moron spewing republican talking points from 2008.
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I'm sure the GOP loved Sowell back when he wrote blacks were lazy because they observed white southerners up close for so long. :D

Sowell argues that the black ghetto culture, which is claimed to be "authentic black culture", is historically neither authentic nor black in origin. Instead, Sowell argues that the black ghetto culture is in fact a relic of a highly dysfunctional white southern redneck culture which existed during the antebellum South. This culture came, in turn, from the "Cracker culture" of the North Britons and Scots-Irish who migrated from the generally lawless border regions of Britain.

Sowell gives a number of examples that he regards as supporting the lineage, e.g.,

an aversion to work, proneness to violence, neglect of education, sexual promiscuity, improvidence, drunkenness, lack of entrepreneurship,… and a style of religious oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery.
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In other words:

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So, you may not like Sowell's comments but have no disagreement with.
 
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Bill said:
So, you may not like Sowell's comments but have no disagreement with.
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The point is partisans decide they love Sowell when in it is useful for them. He is just another club at hand. Sowell actually thinks through his arguments, whether one agrees with them or not, and that's a real problem for a party that already knows what the result of any experiment has to be before it's run.

In short, the flacks should be careful with this particular surrogate. He bites. They used another dude like this. His name was Colin Powell. Not real welcome at righty parties anymore.
 
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To be fair, when we do it we use drones, not words.

And anyway, they're complicit. Nobody forces them to go to wedding receptions in Pakistan...

You have a choice.
 
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Kepler said:
To be fair, when we do it we use drones, not words.

And anyway, they're complicit. Nobody forces them to go to wedding receptions in Pakistan...

You have a choice.
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My trouble with drones is that they make war antiseptic. When war becomes clean, it becomes easier to do. I want the stench and the horror so that when somebody decides to push the button, they know that somebody's son, daughter, wife or husband is not coming home.

If we remember the lead up to Gulf War I, there were predictions of tens of thousands of US casualties. Great. It made us really think of a way to complete the mission without getting more than actually did die. And Bush #41 agonized over each of those 148 Americans who did not come home. Why? Because he lived through it 50 years before.

This modern way is too clean, and it's becoming a video game - not real. Growing up on Call of Duty is not substitute for the real thing.
 
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joecct said:
My trouble with drones is that they make war antiseptic. When war becomes clean, it becomes easier to do. I want the stench and the horror so that when somebody decides to push the button, they know that somebody's son, daughter, wife or husband is not coming home.

If we remember the lead up to Gulf War I, there were predictions of tens of thousands of US casualties. Great. It made us really think of a way to complete the mission without getting more than actually did die. And Bush #41 agonized over each of those 148 Americans who did not come home. Why? Because he lived through it 50 years before.

This modern way is too clean, and it's becoming a video game - not real. Growing up on Call of Duty is not substitute for the real thing.
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I take your point. But what's the alternative? Dresden? Berlin? Tokyo (where B-29 raids killed more than were lost in either atomic bomb attack)? As has been mentioned many times, we're fighting an asymmetrical war against Islamist facists (the "war on terror" was a way of denoting what was going on without mentioning either the "I" word or the "M" word). No armies. No uniforms (except the occasional "friendly" uniform). No national capitals to pound into jelly. No armies in the field. No amphibious landings. An enemy usually burrowed into "civilian" neighborhoods. The Gulf War I analogy does not apply here. In Gulf War I we were, in fact, fighting against a conventional army, put into the field by a national command structure.

If we fail to use the available technology (which of course saves American lives--do we really want to see captured American pilots beheaded?), we're left with two choices: either carpet bomb them even further into the stone age or do nothing. And even though we've perhaps oversold the concept of "surgical"when it comes to smart munitions, there's absolutely no doubt by employing them, we are minimizing civilian casualties. Are you suggesting that higher body counts on both sides would reduce the risk of war? Perhaps for us, but not for the savages.

They started this war. They put "innocent civilians" at the top of their target list. They chose the tactics. We are responding. And we are using the tactics and weapons our advanced society provides. And should continue to do so until every G.D. Islamist arsehole is dead.
 
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Old Pio said:
I take your point. But what's the alternative? Dresden? Berlin? Tokyo (where B-29 raids killed more than were lost in the atomic bomb attacks)? As has been mentioned many times, we're fighting an asymmetrical war against Islamist facists (the "war on terror" was a way of denoting what was going on without mentioning either the "I" word or the "M" word). No armies. No uniforms (except the occasional "friendly" uniform). No national capitals to pound into jelly. No armies in the field. No amphibious landings. An enemy usually burrowed into "civilian" neighborhoods. The Gulf War I analogy does not apply here. In Gulf War I we were, in fact, fighting against a conventional army, put into the field by a national command structure.

If we fail to use the available technology (which of course saves American lives--do we really want to see captured American pilots beheaded?), we're left with two choices: either carpet bomb them even further into the stone age or do nothing. And even though we've perhaps oversold the concept of "surgical"when it comes to smart munitions, there's absolutely no doubt by employing them, we are minimizing civilian casualties. Are you suggesting that higher body counts on both sides would reduce the risk of war? Perhaps for us, but not for the savages.

They started this war. They put "innocent civilians" at the top of their target list. They chose the tactics. We are responding. And we are using the tactics and weapons our advanced society provides. And should continue to do so until every Islamist arsehole is dead.
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Maybe the horrors of WW-II kept the lid on things for 60 years or so.

Once it becomes easy, you tend to do it again. I know we have a Executive Order about targeted executions, but maybe that's a better way to deal with things. At least it's up close and personal rather than a video game.
 
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Old Pio said:
Yes, morons spewing talking points is rare around here, isn't it?
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What's funny is Foxton referencing Republican talking points from 2008 when Sowell's 4 Obama columns primarily address what Obama has done after he was elected in 2008.
 
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