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joecct said:
Geez Kep

There are bully pulpits and then there are BULLY PULPITS. The President has the biggest bully pulpit in this country, bar none. If Obama would say in a news conference that the future of Chicago is dying in her streets and it has to stop, needs to stop, it lends a bit more weight than the Chicago papers or mayor or the odd alderman or two.

Would it stop the violence? Doubt it, but the moral high ground is nice to have now and then.
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Because in the absence of those statements you assume that Obama supports criminality and wants the streets to run with blood? I don't understand why Obama has special powers to stop urban crime any more than any other president, unless the argument is somehow that Obama can influence his robot army of fellow blacks. If presidents had those abilities then Dubya would have been able to influence his robot army of fellow herpa-derps to stop doing meth long enough to mix in a job.

I aint buyin'.
 
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geezer said:
I suspect that you're walking into a trap, 5mn, when you suggest that Reagan and Bush did less to reduce crime rates during their presidencies than Obama. But I'm not going to look it up.

One of the things that bothers me about shunning Mexican labor (I never said racism) is that Washington's bumper apple crop is now rotting on the tree because all the pickers are being turned away at the border. We're shooting ourselves in the foot.
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With over 8% unemployment, why the heck aren't the unemployed taking those jobs? Oh right, sitting on their lazy *** all day collecting a government handout is a better deal.
 
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While I advocate the DREAM act and find it stupid that we can't give citizenship to people who've served in the armed forces, I otherwise take a skeptical view of the notion that illegal immigrants do the jobs that Americans don't want to do with one big exception. That exception is agriculture. For whatever reason there's not enough Americans experiences or skilled enough to work the fields. This has already been tried in either Georgia or Alabama I believe and its not that people wouldn't sign up to do it, its that they couldn't make it through the day. Say what you want about that, but it doesn't do the farm owner any good if he can't get people to competently bring in his crops. A simple seasonal guest worker visa for this subset of workers would solve this problem, but good luck getting that through Congress.
 
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Rover said:
While I advocate the DREAM act and find it stupid that we can't give citizenship to people who've served in the armed forces, I otherwise take a skeptical view of the notion that illegal immigrants do the jobs that Americans don't want to do with one big exception. That exception is agriculture. For whatever reason there's not enough Americans experiences or skilled enough to work the fields. This has already been tried in either Georgia or Alabama I believe and its not that people wouldn't sign up to do it, its that they couldn't make it through the day. Say what you want about that, but it doesn't do the farm owner any good if he can't get people to competently bring in his crops. A simple seasonal guest worker visa for this subset of workers would solve this problem, but good luck getting that through Congress.
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They'd make it through the day if it meant not getting a check. One thing I've always been a proponent of, at least when it comes to farming, is using the prison population as indentured servitude (this IS allowed under the 13th Amendment) to do the dirty work.
 
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Kepler said:
Because in the absence of those statements you assume that Obama supports criminality and wants the streets to run with blood? I don't understand why Obama has special powers to stop urban crime any more than any other president, unless the argument is somehow that Obama can influence his robot army of fellow blacks. If presidents had those abilities then Dubya would have been able to influence his robot army of fellow herpa-derps to stop doing meth long enough to mix in a job.

I aint buyin'.
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Yup, it's definitely racist (what the eff else?) to suggest that His Racistness might take notice of the slaughter in Chicago and maybe offer an opinion that he "regrets" it. Maybe instead of an MDA telethon, we could initiate an obdurate telethon.

Facts are pesky things, aren't they? And comparisons to Bush, suggestions of racism and all the rest do not explain His Oneness' unwillingness to comment on the bloody summer in Chicago. Like all Americans, he has the right to speak his mind about anything he wants. He spoke his mind on the arrest of Skip Gates. He spoke his mind on the shooting of Trayvon Martin. But for some reason, hasn't said a word about the enormous death toll in Chicago this summer. And it's racist to point that out?
 
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So in essence, Obama's inaction on inner city violence is to be thought of differently than that of Bush or Reagan because he's black. I see.
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Classic. Stupid. But classic. It's not a matter of "inaction," doofus, it's a matter of silence. Presidents have virtually no role in reducting crime rates in cities. So you can put that strawman outside and wait for Halloween. Now I've explained it more time than it would take a puppy to get it, so I'm running out of new ways to make the same point. His Panderness has a home in Chicago (near which two recent shootings have occurred) and his former chief of staff is now mayor. He can comment about Cambridge and Sanford but somehow is unable to say a single word about what's been going on all summer long in his "home" town. Why? Or at least Rahm could pass along His Racistness' concerns. Nope. Why?
 
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Old Pio said:
Classic. Stupid. But classic. It's not a matter of "inaction," doofus, it's a matter of silence. Presidents have virtually no role in reducting crime rates in cities. So you can put that strawman outside and wait for Halloween. Now I've explained it more time than it would take a puppy to get it, so I'm running out of new ways to make the same point. His Panderness has a home in Chicago (near which two recent shootings have occurred) and his former chief of staff is the new mayor. He can comment about Cambridge and Sanford but somehow is unable to say a single word about what's been going on all summer long in his "home" town. Why? Or at least Rahm could pass along His Racistness' concerns. Nope. Why?
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Just a thought... how aware of those things is the messiah dictator, do you think? Sadly, for the news that is important to you and I, you really have to search, and even when you find it, you sometimes have to read between the lines. For the "news" that is important to people like 5mn_Major and Kepler, all you have to do is turn on just about any of the 24-hour news stations in existence.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Just a thought... how aware of those things is the messiah dictator, do you think? Sadly, for the news that is important to you and I, you really have to search, and even when you find it, you sometimes have to read between the lines. For the "news" that is important to people like 5mn_Major and Kepler, all you have to do is turn on just about any of the 24-hour news stations in existence.
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I can't imagine he isn't aware of what's going on in Chicago. He has a daily press briefing and he considers it his home town (he has a residence and many friends there) and one of his friends is now the mayor. The staffers responsible for preparing his briefing each day are aware of all of those facts. And it doesn't seem possible they would want to shield him from the ugly reality. He knows.

Of course, after sitting in the pews at Rev. Wright's church for 20 years, he professed surprise that Wright is a repulsive racist. So anything's possible.
 
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Old Pio said:
Classic. Stupid. But classic. It's not a matter of "inaction," doofus, it's a matter of silence.
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I don't know man... "I regret the deaths of all those boys in Chi-town this summer." Somehow I don't think that will mesh with his hopey, changey, shit-eating campaign grin. He's better off ignoring it.
 
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geezer said:
I don't know man... "I regret the deaths of all those boys in Chi-town this summer." Somehow I don't think that will mesh with his hopey, changey, shit-eating campaign grin. He's better off ignoring it.
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Politics? You're ascribing cheap political motivations to His Onceness? I'm ashamed of you, for all of us. :p
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Yet, it's the union boss that instructs them to strike. I bet with whatever additional pay raise they get, if any, the entire amount of it will go to union dues.
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Chicago's unionized teachers average 76K in compensation, before benefits are added, for a 9 month job. The highest in the country. And they turned down a 16% increase over 4 years. Only 15% of 4th graderes are "proficient" at reading. And only 56% of freshmen will be graduated from high school. With a record like that, who could possibly begruge them more money?



http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316395/chicago-bled-dry-striking-teachers-unions-john-fund
 
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Old Pio said:
Chicago's unionized teachers average 76K in compensation, before benefits are added, for a 9 month job. The highest in the country. And they turned down a 16% increase over 4 years. Only 15% of 4th graderes are "proficient" at reading. And only 56% of freshmen will be graduated from high school. With a record like that, who could possibly begruge them more money?



http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316395/chicago-bled-dry-striking-teachers-unions-john-fund
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Those are sad stats, how much do the parents(or lack thereof) have to do with those stats? I'm pretty my son was reading at a 4th grade level way before 4th grade and that had more to do with us then it did his teachers. You can't teach kids who aren't prepared to learn
 
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walrus said:
Those are sad stats, how much do the parents(or lack thereof) have to do with those stats? I'm pretty my son was reading at a 4th grade level way before 4th grade and that had more to do with us then it did his teachers. You can't teach kids who aren't prepared to learn
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Absolutely. Teachers are not entirely responsible for the problem. But they are also, certainly part of the problem. Remember when Marva Collins' West Side Prep was getting all sorts of national attention (including a segment on "60 Minutes")? Teachers' unions worked very hard to minimize her accomplishments. I've mentioned before the look on Morley Safer's face when he asked a darling little girl at Westside who her favorite author was. Without hesitating, she said "Chaucer." Now even if she was showing off, the fact is the little doll knew that there was a guy out there named Chaucer. I'm guessing most of the kids in her grade (and several grades ahead of her) at CPS had never heard of Chaucer.

As a kid, my parents and the other parents for whom the lady who cleaned our houses worked, chipped in to provide tuition so her son could go to parochial schools. She wasn't Catholic, but surely knew her boy would have a better chance of amounting to something if he got a Catholic education.
 
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Old Pio said:
Chicago's unionized teachers average 76K in compensation, before benefits are added, for a 9 month job. The highest in the country. And they turned down a 16% increase over 4 years. Only 15% of 4th graderes are "proficient" at reading. And only 56% of freshmen will be graduated from high school. With a record like that, who could possibly begruge them more money?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316395/chicago-bled-dry-striking-teachers-unions-john-fund
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That's more than a senior-level chemical engineer makes in Chicago when you stretch it out to a full twelve months. That's the biggest load of horsesh*t I have EVER seen.

(Source: http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Chemical-Engineer-III-Salary-Details-Chicago-IL.aspx)
 
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Is Rahm going to become the Democrat Scott Walker??
 
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