Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

[geezer]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

no no no no no. the babies. you kill the babies, not the real people.

edit: excuse me, the clump of tissue. I can't even keep the terminology straight anymore. It's not a baby until it's 50.001% born. You're supposed to kill the clumps of tissue.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

no no no no no. the babies. you kill the babies, not the real people.

You're being insensitive by calling them babies or saying they are killed. You will need to be socially reengineered.
You should rather say:

"no no no no. the pre-magic moment globs of tissue. you remove the pre-magic moment globs of tissue, not kill the real people."

 

[LynahFan]

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Sounds like the typical muddled reasoning found in America today. Of course problem is, they can't all get on the same page as to when that magical moment is when the clumb turns into lovable baby. Seems to be a moving target based on expediency.

As are voting ages, drinking ages, driver's license ages, school class cutoff ages, etc. Any black-and-white limit is arbitrary - yet the government sets such limits all the time. SCOTUS should throw it back to the states and let them each set their own thresholds for when (excuse the term) "personhood" begins.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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As are voting ages, drinking ages, driver's license ages, school class cutoff ages, etc. Any black-and-white limit is arbitrary - yet the government sets such limits all the time. SCOTUS should throw it back to the states and let them each set their own thresholds for when (excuse the term) "personhood" begins.

And then the federal government will threaten them with unconstitutional funding cuts, just like what happened with the drinking age.

 

[Bob Gray]

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As are voting ages, drinking ages, driver's license ages, school class cutoff ages, etc. Any black-and-white limit is arbitrary - yet the government sets such limits all the time. SCOTUS should throw it back to the states and let them each set their own thresholds for when (excuse the term) "personhood" begins.

Those arbitrary cutoffs don't directly determine life and death for millions or have a direct biological basis.

 

[Priceless]

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no no no no no. the babies. you kill the babies, not the real people.

Hence the need for armies of thugs to beat up all pregnant women. Since they "have to be killed at all costs" it is far too risky to allow a pregnant woman to even come close to term.

Or has your world engineered a way for a drug to be added to the water supply that will eliminate all pregnancies? Even that is risky since bottled water is presumably drug free.

Again, it sounds like a terrible place to live. I am grateful I don't live there. I feel bad for you. Do you have a way to move from such a horrific place?

 

[Kepler]

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recently purchased and watched the HBO series John Adams. One interesting thing was how he and Jefferson (moreso Adams) seemed to disdain party labels, even while there were huge and clear differences between the federalist and republican philosophies. The country was a bit smaller then.

Is that based on the McCullough book? I really enjoyed that, particularly the stories about Adams and his children.

 

[Kepler]

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Wow. Otherwise intelligent people turn into real eftards when it comes to abortion.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Hence the need for armies of thugs to beat up all pregnant women. Since they "have to be killed at all costs" it is far too risky to allow a pregnant woman to even come close to term.

Or has your world engineered a way for a drug to be added to the water supply that will eliminate all pregnancies? Even that is risky since bottled water is presumably drug free.

Again, it sounds like a terrible place to live. I am grateful I don't live there. I feel bad for you. Do you have a way to move from such a horrific place?

We'll have to go to a lab, all cells will need to be sterilized, and all babies born from test tubes.

 

[Priceless]

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Wow. Otherwise intelligent people turn into real eftards when it comes to abortion.

When one doesn't believe in science it's difficult to discuss a scientific process with any intelligence.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Wow. Otherwise intelligent people turn into real eftards when it comes to abortion.

That's why conservatives make some sense there. A human is a human is a human is a human.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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When one doesn't believe in science it's difficult to discuss a scientific process with any intelligence.

You mean the stork isn't real?

 

[Priceless]

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That's why conservatives make some sense there. A human is a human is a human is a human.

Unless it has brown skin.

 

[geezer]

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When one doesn't believe in science it's difficult to discuss a scientific process with any intelligence.

You actually make a good point here. To one person it's science, to another it's a moral issue. So it's probably not immoral for the person whose beliefs are founded in science to kill the baby. For others (founded in morals), the concept is a horrible one.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Unless it has brown skin.

Hey now, according to the Broadway show "The Book of Mormon", "in 1978, God changed his mind about black people."

It doesn't matter what color skin. It's still a human, so long as it has said deoxyribonucleic acid.

 

[Priceless]

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You actually make a good point here. To one person it's science, to another it's a moral issue. So it's probably not immoral for the person whose beliefs are founded in science to kill the baby. For others (founded in morals), the concept is a horrible one.

Considering you get your morals from the same source that says 6000 years ago God planted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and that the Earth is the center of the solar system, I'm comfortable siding with science on this one. In fact, I'm comfortable siding with science on just about everything.

 

[geezer]

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Considering you get your morals from the same source that says 6000 years ago God planted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and that the Earth is the center of the solar system, I'm comfortable siding with science on this one. In fact, I'm comfortable siding with science on just about everything.

Dr. Eduard Wirths agrees with you.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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All I think about when I hear the creation/evolution argument is Mr. Garrison and Richard Dawkins making whoopee.

 

[FreshFish]

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Considering you get your morals from the same source that says 6000 years ago God planted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and that the Earth is the center of the solar system, I'm comfortable siding with science on this one. In fact, I'm comfortable siding with science on just about everything.

Serious question: do you have morals? If so, what reason do you give for not taking things that don't belong to you? There is no "scientific" justification for that belief, is there? You might say it makes social life more expedient, but is that scientific?

Arthur C. Clarke: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." So, which science does one believe when "science" itself is continually evolving?


Scientists at one time experimented on animals, believing they were merely "dumb brutes" devoid of feelings and emotions. Later discoveries indicated that animals indeed do feel pain and some emotions, and so beliefs about scientific experimentation on animals evolved from being acceptable to being immoral.

Scientists deliberately infected people with syphilis in the 1930s, was that immoral? if so, why?

You cannot only believe in "science" in a vacuum, can you? Does that mean that as long as you don't get caught, any behavior is okay?

I'm sure you don't believe that, yet there is something greater than "science", outside the realm of "science" that guides our decisions on what is moral, wouldn't you agree?

Babies born in the 7th month of pregnancy routinely survive to adulthood now. Does your "science" tell you that terminating a pregnancy in the 7th month or later is immoral?

 

[geezer]

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Is that based on the McCullough book? I really enjoyed that, particularly the stories about Adams and his children.

sorry, yes it was. I didn't read the book, but enjoyed the series especially for it's costumes (esp. settings in France), CGI recreations of Boston and construction of Washington, and casting of Adams, Washington, Franklin and Hamilton. Jefferson seemed more morose/taciturn than I would have expected but I'm not very familiar with him anyway. Google was my close friend throughout and every bit of dialogue that struck me enough to look up appeared to be historically accurate so I appreciated that although it made it feel somewhat stilted/lifetime movie-like. You remind me that I haven't watched the last episode yet but it's been good for me, as a non-student of that historical period but casually familiar.