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Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

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Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

That's because Republicans are anti-Civil Rights and pro-slavery, for black people.

Thankfully, many of the past injustices are behind us. However, I said Civil Rights which embodies not only the liberation of blacks (1860s) but seeing them as equals (1950s), as well as the woman's movement (1848-present) and the rights of GLBT when it comes to housing, employment, marriage etc. How progressive has the GOP been on those rights?

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Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I think most of us realize the national GOP are amoral, cynical, opportunistic manipulators.

That describes both major political parties equally well, don't you think?

Re-election first, last and always!
 
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Forgive me for falling asleep in history class, but from post reconstruction through the late 60's or so, wasn't the entire Southern delegation Democrat?

And weren't Civil Rights for blacks suppressed during that time?

Yes it was...back then the Dems were conservatives and the Republicans were the liberals. (in Lincoln's mold) It wasn't until Truman put forth the plan for Civil Rights that the Southern Dems walked out and the parties shifted. The GOP went right and the Dems went left.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

That's because Republicans are anti-Civil Rights and pro-slavery, for black people.

Quite frankly, I believe anyone that tries to make a separation is a racist. If democrats are claiming republicans to be racist because of a certain candidate's color, then the democrats themselves are racist. I don't care what the person looks like, I just want to know their positions on issues. Just because I don't like Obama's stance on health care doesn't make me a racist. I could say the exact same thing for the exact same reasoning for anyone else (such as Clinton's similar idea in the early part of his Presidency).
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

That describes both major political parties equally well, don't you think?

Re-election first, last and always!

"I was too busy trying to keep my job that I forgot to do my job." -- Andrew Shepard, "The American President"
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

There is a large subset of the conservative/GOP coalition that believes the President should fit a certain mold, which is a graying white Protestant male with an Anglo sounding last name. Racism isn't the right word for that. Its more like these people are dinosaurs yearning for an early 1950's culture that's been gone a long, long time.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

There is a large subset of the conservative/GOP coalition that believes the President should fit a certain mold, which is a graying white Protestant male with an Anglo sounding last name. Racism isn't the right word for that. Its more like these people are dinosaurs yearning for an early 1950's culture that's been gone a long, long time.
Bring back beards and mustaches!
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Bad news. The Forbes 400 goes down to Dan Snyder at $1.05B, so that's a pretty good approximation for "our billionaires." Their net worth is only $1.53T. Figure they're all pretty shrewd investors, so let's say they're increasing their wealth (on average) by 15% each year. This gives a total income of $228B, which even with a 100% tax rate would not even come close to covering our deficit - forget about paying down any of the $15T debt.

Taxing a few hundred billionaires is not a silver bullet and is practically irrelevant to the overall math of balanced budgets. Anyone screaming for a tax on billionaires is looking to score political points, not solve problems.

I'm not anti-tax - taxes absolutely should go up, but they need to go up across the board. The fact that a few hundred billionaires will end up paying more taxes as a result of the changes is neither here nor there, and should not be the focus of any sincere tax policy.

I wasn't implying they could solve the deficit, only that if everyone thinks taxing them more does anything to help (besides making the bitter people feel better), then we would be better off applying the money directly at the issue instead of wasting it on government red tape.

It isn't just the billionaires that can't solve the issue, there isn't enough money in the country to eliminate the debt, period.

We can debate the current president's abilities among ourselves on here but nobody will convince me that his whole 'millionaires' campaign is anything more than an attempt to gather votes. He knows it won't solve the problem, he knows it isn't assured that the country's fortunes would be better if we did take more of their money...all it does is distract from the real issues.

I agree with you, it still may be the right thing to do, but making the whole election about wall st. vs. main st. is just blowing smoke and convincing people that the solution is that simple.

My continuous question to those who believe the country gets better if Bill Gates pays more taxes is "when does it stop?"...it doesn't even qualify as a band-aid solution...it is no solution at all but Obama has sure convinced people that they'll get a job if Warren Buffet pays more taxes.

The estimated cost of the MLK memorial is $120mm. 20 years of work and expense and they didn't get his quote right. Does it honor the man to spend $120million dollars on a statue and 4 acres of land we already owned? Is that really a tribute to what he sought to do? He must be turning over in his grave.

Of course we're going to spend $535 million over 2011 on trying to improve troubled grade schools. No telling how many campaigns now exist to solve troubled schools and how many should be killed to fund the new campaign, but nobody does that math, it is just $535million more dollars thrown into a rat hole.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

There is a large subset of the conservative/GOP coalition....

There is a substantial and growing disconnect between "conservatives" and "Republicans" just as there is a huge gulf between "liberals" and "Democrats." As many others have noted, you are more likely to find a "liberal" in the Republican party these days. The Democrats are moving hard into totalitarian territory which is antithetical to liberalism. Of course, to hide that shift, they pretend to be "liberals" hoping that by saying the right words they can get people to ignore their actual deeds (just as Republicans spent many years pretending to be "conservatives" in a similar manner). Most conservatives are totally fed up with Republicans these days. The Republicans are perhaps somewhat lucky that conservatives are trying to reshape that party rather than start a third-party movement instead.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I wasn't implying they could solve the deficit, only that if everyone thinks taxing them more does anything to help (besides making the bitter people feel better), then we would be better off applying the money directly at the issue instead of wasting it on government red tape.

It isn't just the billionaires that can't solve the issue, there isn't enough money in the country to eliminate the debt, period.

We can debate the current president's abilities among ourselves on here but nobody will convince me that his whole 'millionaires' campaign is anything more than an attempt to gather votes. He knows it won't solve the problem, he knows it isn't assured that the country's fortunes would be better if we did take more of their money...all it does is distract from the real issues.

I agree with you, it still may be the right thing to do, but making the whole election about wall st. vs. main st. is just blowing smoke and convincing people that the solution is that simple.

My continuous question to those who believe the country gets better if Bill Gates pays more taxes is "when does it stop?"...it doesn't even qualify as a band-aid solution...it is no solution at all but Obama has sure convinced people that they'll get a job if Warren Buffet pays more taxes.

The estimated cost of the MLK memorial is $120mm. 20 years of work and expense and they didn't get his quote right. Does it honor the man to spend $120million dollars on a statue and 4 acres of land we already owned? Is that really a tribute to what he sought to do? He must be turning over in his grave.

Of course we're going to spend $535 million over 2011 on trying to improve troubled grade schools. No telling how many campaigns now exist to solve troubled schools and how many should be killed to fund the new campaign, but nobody does that math, it is just $535million more dollars thrown into a rat hole.

We're also going to spend $700,000 studying cow flatulence.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I wasn't implying they could solve the deficit, only that if everyone thinks taxing them more does anything to help (besides making the bitter people feel better), then we would be better off applying the money directly at the issue instead of wasting it on government red tape.

EXCELLENT! My neighbor needs food. I can walk down the block and supply it to their family. Then we have reciprocity: they would have a responsiblity to use that food wisely, because I just as easily could have used that money to buy toys for my kids, yet I chose to help them through a tough time instead.

What do we do? some bureaucrat (with salary and healthcare and a pension) collects taxes from me, so another bureaucrat (similar overhead!) can dispense it to the neighbor, who can do whatever they please without responsibility since it is now their "right" to receive "free" "benefits".

It isn't just the billionaires that can't solve the issue, there isn't enough money in the country to eliminate the debt, period.
Not only that, no amount of spending ever will solve our problems either. Economics 101, rule 1: people want more than they can afford ("unlimited wants, limited resources"); rule 1A "there is no such thing as a 'free lunch'."

We can debate the current president's abilities among ourselves on here but nobody will convince me that his whole 'millionaires' campaign is anything more than an attempt to gather votes. He knows it won't solve the problem, he knows it isn't assured that the country's fortunes would be better if we did take more of their money...all it does is distract from the real issues.
hey with his track record he needs to distract people!

I agree with you, it still may be the right thing to do, but making the whole election about wall st. vs. main st. is just blowing smoke and convincing people that the solution is that simple.

My continuous question to those who believe the country gets better if Bill Gates pays more taxes is "when does it stop?"...it doesn't even qualify as a band-aid solution...it is no solution at all but Obama has sure convinced people that they'll get a job if Warren Buffet pays more taxes.

The estimated cost of the MLK memorial is $120mm. 20 years of work and expense and they didn't get his quote right. Does it honor the man to spend $120million dollars on a statue and 4 acres of land we already owned? Is that really a tribute to what he sought to do? He must be turning over in his grave.

Of course we're going to spend $535 million over 2011 on trying to improve troubled grade schools. No telling how many campaigns now exist to solve troubled schools and how many should be killed to fund the new campaign, but nobody does that math, it is just $535million more dollars thrown into a rat hole.

There are already 48 different jobs programs spread throughout various government agencies. Yet we have a serious problem with jobs. Why not review the data from those programs, find out what works, what doesn't, adjust them, tinker with them, consolidate some, eliminate others??? You already know the answer; any new government program is rarely about solving problems; programs to solve problems have already been implemented several times over yet those problems still exist.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

You have been listening to WAY WAY WAY too much Fix News or Rush. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.

Obama giving the finger to Congress and just making decisions on his own. I rest my case.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

You have been listening to WAY WAY WAY too much Fix News or Rush. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.

I never listen to either. I do believe in empiricism guided by principles. Are you seriously trying to deny that telling people in minute detail exactly what they "should" be doing is not totalitarian? Perhaps we genuinely have a misunderstanding about what the term actually means?
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I never listen to either. I do believe in empiricism guided by principles. Are you seriously trying to deny that telling people in minute detail exactly what they "should" be doing is not totalitarian? Perhaps we genuinely have a misunderstanding about what the term actually means?

The second measure passed in Virginia requires that women seeking an abortion be forced to undergo an ultrasound, which would mean a more physically invasive transvaginal ultrasound in the cases of early pregnancy. The Virginia Senate passed an ultrasound bill earlier this month, as Reuters noted. Gov. Bob McDonnell has indicated his support for the law, and is expected to sign it.

I'd call that Totalitarian.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/02/16/virginia-house-passes-bills-restricting-abortion/

And there's thousands of examples like that.

Obama giving the finger to Congress and just making decisions on his own. I rest my case.

Every President does that during his term. Tell me that Congress' expansion of the Filibuster Rule isn't the same thing.
 
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The biggest difference is that you don't have to have an abortion. Therefore, your example is not totalitarian. However, the federal government is trying to force someone to buy health care. THAT is totalitarian.

That's fine. But, what I want then is EVERYONE who refuses to buy health care to be allowed to die on the street trying to get into the Hospital. Cause I and everyone else ends up paying for those among us who take that risk.

It's the equivalent of Too Big To Fail and it's wrong.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

That's fine. But, what I want then is EVERYONE who refuses to buy health care to be allowed to die on the street trying to get into the Hospital. Cause I and everyone else ends up paying for those among us who take that risk.

It's the equivalent of Too Big To Fail and it's wrong.

Exactly. The conservative position rewards those who refuse to take responsibility. Either you 1) ban hospital visits, emergency or not, for people who choose not to get insurance and thus game the system, or 2) everybody has to have coverage. There's no in between, and why should the responsible people get screwed?
 
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