Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

[geezer]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

The numbers are next to incomprehensible, but Obama has now blown $5 Trillion over three years. (whether or not this is still "Bush's fault") something has got to give or everything is going to give out at once. I'm buying ammunition.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

You at least got the first sentence right, which for you counts as an accomplishment!

That's because his first sentence was reality-based. The rest was just regurgitated slogans from old Republican political campaigns. It never ceases to amaze me that people actually believe that bunk, let alone repeat it and expect to be taken seriously.

The world is all grays, folks, not black and white. The public sector and the private sector each have their uses, there is no rigid line, and the topography is always changing. Everyone not perpetually adolescent recognizes that reality is complicated and messy and that sharp ideological cutting tools are only meant to slice up the voters. Their practical value, outside of winning elections, is zero.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

The numbers are next to incomprehensible, but Obama has now blown $5 Trillion over three years. (whether or not this is still "Bush's fault") something has got to give or everything is going to give out at once. I'm buying ammunition.

How much of that is prior commitments? How much is because of the revenue-suppressing effect of the tax cuts? How much is because of the revenue-suppressing effect of the recession?

Assigning all $5T to Obama is ridiculous and I believe you know that.

 

[Bob Gray]

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What did the man say? Oh, I remember: 'I'm here for my Obama dollars."

And many have received their Obama dollars in recent years, the main reason he's likely to be reelected.

 

[geezer]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

How much of that is prior commitments? How much is because of the revenue-suppressing effect of the tax cuts? How much is because of the revenue-suppressing effect of the recession?

Assigning all $5T to Obama is ridiculous and I believe you know that.

I do understand that; that's why I said "whether or not it's still Bush's fault." It doesn't matter who we "blame", we need to find ways to start cutting yesterday. Good for Obama, by the way, for trying to take a stand against oil company subsidies. It's a little surreal watching the corrupt Republicans going, "You can't cut kickbacks for special interests! That's... that's... that's a bad thing, right guys?"

 

[Kepler]

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And many have received their Obama dollars in recent years, the main reason he's likely to be reelected.

The main reason is that the economy is starting to recover. The second reason is people remember how incompetent the Republicans were when they were in power. The third reason is the GOP nominee is as phony as a three dollar bill.

 

[Bob Gray]

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The main reason is that the economy is starting to recover. The second reason is people remember how incompetent the Republicans were when they were in power. The third reason is the GOP nominee is as phony as a three dollar bill.

Those are also reasons. But Obama's patronage has been staggering.

 

[Kepler]

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I do understand that; that's why I said "whether or not it's still Bush's fault." It doesn't matter who we "blame", we need to find ways to start cutting yesterday. Good for Obama, by the way, for trying to take a stand against oil company subsidies. It's a little surreal watching the corrupt Republicans going, "You can't cut kickbacks for special interests! That's... that's... that's a bad thing, right guys?"

I agree we need ways to cut and ways to increase revenue. In a recession it doesn't make any sense to cut things that either help people find work or cushion the blow of unemployment. We have to restore the tax structure to the way it used to be before it was distorted by the "one dollar one vote" principle -- those are radical changes only because the distortion was so radical.

Means test everything. Gradually restore the progressive nature of the tax code. Wipe out all the special interest deductions and exemptions. All three of those things are huge fights, so the way to get any one of them passed is to do them all and play the forces against each other.

 

[Bob Gray]

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In a recession it doesn't make any sense to cut things that either help people find work or cushion the blow of unemployment.

In other words, you don't want to cut. Typical tax and spend nonsense. In general, government spending, even when on dumb stuff like a butterfly research center or something, still put money in peoples' pockets and result in jobs, even if very inefficiently. Obama is just counting on the fact that his leveraging of the country's future on his staggering deficits will juice the economy enough to make it look halfway decent for him to get reelected. And he just may pull it off.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

The media's love for Obama continues, as I go to Yahoo and the first headline I see is how great Obama's NCAA tourney bracket is doing. If Bush did that, he'd have been clobbered for not focusing on the Presidency enough. But, as usual, everything spins to a positive outlook for Obama.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

We're all going bankrupt and Health Care will do it. And the GOP and the DFL don't care.

And the baby boomers are still in power. Are you shocked? I'm not.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

We're all going bankrupt and Health Care will do it. And the GOP and the DFL don't care.

And the baby boomers are still in power. Are you shocked? I'm not.

Disappointed? Yes. Shocked? No. Anyone with any foresight could see it coming for decades.

 

[Kepler]

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In other words, you don't want to cut. Typical tax and spend nonsense. In general, government spending, even when on dumb stuff like a butterfly research center or something, still put money in peoples' pockets and result in jobs, even if very inefficiently.

Yeah, because when we talk about unemployment benefits or day care assistance or worker retraining stipends we're really thinking about "butterfly research."

And if you're so concerned about paying as you go, why no taxes to fund your wars? That's $2T on our credit card by your buddies at PNAC. How's that workin' out?

Since the choice is tax and spend vs borrow and spend, I'll take tax and spend.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Yeah, because when we talk about unemployment benefits or day care or worker retraining assistance we're thinking about "butterfly research"?

And if you're so concerned about paying as you go, why no taxes to fund the wars? That's $2T on our credit card by your buddies at PNAC. How's that workin' out?

Since the choice is tax and spend vs borrow and spend, I'll take tax and spend.

I've always wondered about that. World War II we were all asked to sacrifice for our country. War on Terror we decide to bankrupt the treasury. I don't get it. And the funny thing is Ryan's budget focuses on Medicare. I agree, Health Care will bankrupt us. BUT, I still think if he were honest he'd ask us to pay the war bill first. After all, Medicare has a funding source. The Wars never did.

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

The media's love for Obama continues, as I go to Yahoo and the first headline I see is how great Obama's NCAA tourney bracket is doing. If Bush did that, he'd have been clobbered for not focusing on the Presidency enough. But, as usual, everything spins to a positive outlook for Obama.

You sound like a tired old man Bob. If OBL had died under Bush's watch you'd be trying to organize a memorial for him on the Mall in DC even though the freakin' guy isn't even dead yet. Not for nothing, it just sounds like whining, and nobody likes a whiner.

Moving on, I do recall one side (Obama) proposing a Grand Bargain to reign in the debt. I recall the other side (The Boner, McConnell) walking away from that deal. So, who do we hold responsible again?

 

[geezer]

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You sound like a tired old man Bob. If OBL had died under Bush's watch you'd be trying to organize a memorial for him on the Mall in DC even though the freakin' guy isn't even dead yet. Not for nothing, it just sounds like whining, and nobody likes a whiner.

Moving on, I do recall one side (Obama) proposing a Grand Bargain to reign in the debt. I recall the other side (The Boner, McConnell) walking away from that deal. So, who do we hold responsible again?

again, while I'm sympathetic to the reasoning, I think a big part of everyone's problem is that we're all spending too much of our energy trying to make sure "the other side" or "the previous administration" gets more blame than we do.
What good does it do to assign blame, rather than build solutions? I don't care who walked away from what. Nobody involved accomplished anything good.

 

[Bob Gray]

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You sound like a tired old man Bob. If OBL had died under Bush's watch you'd be trying to organize a memorial for him on the Mall in DC even though the freakin' guy isn't even dead yet. Not for nothing, it just sounds like whining, and nobody likes a whiner.

Moving on, I do recall one side (Obama) proposing a Grand Bargain to reign in the debt. I recall the other side (The Boner, McConnell) walking away from that deal. So, who do we hold responsible again?

Well, a little tired, as it's earlier here out west. Thanks for asking!

You obviously haven't paid attention to all the years of criticizing Bush I've done. But, 'tis to be expected when you look through your partisan glasses that sees all is good with Dems and all is bad with Reps. Getting OBL was a very good thing Obama did, and I gave him major kudos for that. But that good act doesn't change his massive shortfallings in other areas.

And if you had been paying attention, I criticized the Republicans for walking away. What Obama offered wasn't that great, but maybe it could have been leveraged into something meaningful. Of course they could have reasonably looked at Obama's normal way of operating, which is to propose one cut over here, then propose three new ways of spending over there, and conclude that Obama isn't someone who can be trusted or dealt with to meaningfully address the deficit.

 

[DaveStPaul]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

The media's love for Obama continues, as I go to Yahoo and the first headline I see is how great Obama's NCAA tourney bracket is doing. If Bush did that, he'd have been clobbered for not focusing on the Presidency enough. But, as usual, everything spins to a positive outlook for Obama.

But you're right, Bush did get clobbered (by some) -- for going to clear brush on his ranch too much.

It was a stupid charge then -- everybody knows presidents are on the job all the time; they aren't clearing brush for 10 days (or filling out brackets) with no work, no briefings, no advisors, no meetings, etc. -- and it's stupid now.

 

[Priceless]

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Moving on, I do recall one side (Obama) proposing a Grand Bargain to reign in the debt. I recall the other side (The Boner, McConnell) walking away from that deal. So, who do we hold responsible again?

Both sides suck, so vote Republican.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Yeah, because when we talk about unemployment benefits or day care assistance or worker retraining stipends we're really thinking about "butterfly research."

And if you're so concerned about paying as you go, why no taxes to fund your wars? That's $2T on our credit card by your buddies at PNAC. How's that workin' out?

Since the choice is tax and spend vs borrow and spend, I'll take tax and spend.

You must be suffering from Roverism. I've never been a fan of the wars. Going in the way we did ignored the very long history of the region, and we've paid the price since. I thought you had paid more attention than that over the years.

More like your choice is, we can't get more taxes through, so let's spend anyway, meaning you really support borrow and spend at the end of the day.