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Obama XXII: Occupy the White House

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No, the reason private schools produce better results is that they have self selection and admissions criteria (as he pointed out). How does taking money away from public schools to fund vouchers change that?

How about someone do an actual scientific study. You switch teachers for 2 years from private to public in the same area. Either the teachers are that much better in private schools... or the students (environment) in public school are that much worse.
 
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Who are the most enthusiastic opponants of private schools and vouchers? Why teachers unions of course, and their bought and paid for politicians. I served on the board of the Houston Preparatory School (which was modeled after Marva Collins' West Side Prep in Chicago). And I found the work they were doing for kids (many of whom had flunked out of HISD) was exemplary.

Years ago, 60 Minutes sent Morley Safer to West Side Prep to talk to Ms. Collins and the kids. At one point, Safer was interviewing a darling 10 year old girl, bright-eyed and full of personality. Safer asked her who her favorite author was. Her answer? "Chaucer." Safer looked like he'd been slapped in the face with a halibut. She may have been showing off. Maybe wanted to impress the old white guy. But the fact is, she knew there was somebody out there named Chaucer.

Consistently, from coast to coast, the strongest opposition to private schools has always and will always come from teachers unions. And they base this on their record of "achievement" with America's kids? Most teachers have it better now in terms of pay and benefits and working conditions than ever before. And their unions deserve the lion's share of the credit. Yet the number of inept, incompetent teachers is at an all time high. And no direct correlation between teacher compensation and student performance has been established. Union officials, when they're being honest, make it clear they aren't concerned so much with how well the kids do in class. They're concerned about pay, benefits and working conditions, the customary concerns of unions. Oh, and expanding the size of the membership, which translates to increased political clout.

Private schools will always be at the margins, but may serve to help rescue some kids from the maw of what passes for "public education" in too many of our big cities. And, might awaken some parents to how badly shortchanged their kids are in the hands of this governement monopoly.
 
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Vouchers will make public schools just like private schools. There's no question about it.
 
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Vouchers will make public schools just like private schools. There's no question about it.
No way. Private schools can tell a kid or a teacher to walk. What the heck can a public school do? It's like trying to fire a bureaucrat.
 
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No way. Private schools can tell a kid or a teacher to walk.
Give public schools the right to turn away ahem undesirable students and they'll be just as good as private schools. In fact, that's the main reason public schools were so good in their golden age from the 1890's through the 1940's -- the poor kids all dropped out after 9th grade to go to work. In other words, they worked great for kids who were already going to do great, just like private schools do now.

All vouchers do is let Romney send his grandchildren to Andover Prep on your dime.
 
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All vouchers do is let Romney send his grandchildren to Andover Prep on your dime.

The D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program, a voucher program killed in 2009*

...funded attendance at 54 D.C. private schools for students from families with an average income of $22,736, "or about 107 percent of the federal poverty level for a family of four

Mitt Romney must be a lot poorer than I thought!

*Leading the charge? Dick Durbin, whose kids, you guessed it, attended private schools. Public schools are great, unless it's his kids of course.
 
Give public schools the right to turn away ahem undesirable students and they'll be just as good as private schools. In fact, that's the main reason public schools were so good in their golden age from the 1890's through the 1940's -- the poor kids all dropped out after 9th grade to go to work. In other words, they worked great for kids who were already going to do great, just like private schools do now.

All vouchers do is let Romney send his grandchildren to Andover Prep on your dime.
Most states require education through 16. And some think EVERYBODY should go to college. You're wanting to go back to the good old days?? How conservative!:D
 
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Give public schools the right to turn away ahem undesirable students and they'll be just as good as private schools. In fact, that's the main reason public schools were so good in their golden age from the 1890's through the 1940's -- the poor kids all dropped out after 9th grade to go to work. In other words, they worked great for kids who were already going to do great, just like private schools do now.

All vouchers do is let Romney send his grandchildren to Andover Prep on your dime.

Who are you defending here? Inept teachers? Corrupt politicians? Grasping, greedy unions? Who? You have, however, managed to internalize every union hack's arguments. "We have to educate everyone, boo hoo." That's why they get taxpayer money by the boxcar full, to educate or at least try to educate every kid. It's the law. Are bad teachers and greedy unions and corrupt politicians the only problem here? Of course not. But they are the ones calling the shots. They are the one's sitting in the rubber rooms in NYC, making their daily selections for OTB, getting paid because they can't be fired. They are the ones fighting every effort to get rid of bad teachers and improve the quality of education. Far more important matters, like break time and lunch time, take precedence.

This high ranking union hack (he was general counsel for NEA) lays it on the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-piPkgAUo0w&feature=related
 
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The moron who is our governor said last night that, if he doesn't get the cuts he wants to the DHHS budget (basically, shredding the social safety net), he will order the schools to close on May 1 and shift the money.

I wonder how many federal and state laws that would violate...
 
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The moron who is our governor said last night that, if he doesn't get the cuts he wants to the DHHS budget (basically, shredding the social safety net), he will order the schools to close on May 1 and shift the money.

I wonder how many federal and state laws that would violate...
Is it a safety net or a safety teat?
 
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Is it a safety net or a safety teat?

Net.

The point is the governor of the state can't just decide to close public schools because he feels like it.
 
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I will say this - at least he was honest.

"I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewinski."

"I have no more territorial demands in Europe."

"I fell into the life boat."

A lot more honesty, please. I've told the story before about the reporter who worked in the Austin bureau of a Houston radio station who refused to use the word "union" in his reporting. They were always teacher "groups." IMO, he was protecting them from the generaly negative reputation unions have in Texas, while deliberately underinforming his listeners.
 
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What he said was 100% true. He looked directly at Helen Thomas and pointed to her when he made that famous quote.

Now there's a major league buzz kill. She's so ugly she'd make a freight train take a dirt road.
 
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Give public schools the right to turn away ahem undesirable students and they'll be just as good as private schools. In fact, that's the main reason public schools were so good in their golden age from the 1890's through the 1940's -- the poor kids all dropped out after 9th grade to go to work. In other words, they worked great for kids who were already going to do great, just like private schools do now.

All vouchers do is let Romney send his grandchildren to Andover Prep on your dime.

and the current infrastructure and curriculum was built by people who have spent more time trying to reshape education than deliver it.

The most common chorus I hear from educators about the old days is how restrictive it was and how it hurts kids to make them learn. I completely disagree. But, god forbid we segregate kids by ability and desire, which is all most private schools do. And not all private schools cater exclusively to the rich and famous.

If it was a pie chart the lack of performance would certainly have big wedges for bad parenting and kids with no interest (parenting again).

From Google: 14,000 school districts in US

Median salary of a school superintendent $74k.

That is a disaster.

who benefits the most? the teachers and administrators unions...guaranteed jobs while continuing to produce worsening results.

I went on one of the school administrators websites...when is the national convention? February. Not July. Right in the middle of the school year. Everybody fly to Arizona and play golf etc.

I'll look for the agenda but I suspect they guard that stuff closely so the people back home don't find out about the golf and dinners.
 
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I went on one of the school administrators websites...when is the national convention? February. Not July. Right in the middle of the school year. Everybody fly to Arizona and play golf etc.

I'll look for the agenda but I suspect they guard that stuff closely so the people back home don't find out about the golf and dinners.

Um...there's a week-long vacation in February.

Would it make you feel better if they held the conference in Green Bay instead of Arizona?
 
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NEA conference, which obviously can't be during the school year

A) who pays for this? If it is the NEA that pays for the event then that comes from teacher's dues which come from their salaries

B) do teachers pay their own way and stay in hotels for the week+ of the event? I suspect not

C) check the agenda, I will keep reviewing it but the first thing I noticed was nothing about overall performance but a lot of stuff about special interests.

Wednesday, June 27
6:00 am - 5:00 pm NEA-Retired 2010 Annual Meeting
8:00 am - 5:00 pm Ethnic Leaders Meetings
9:00 am - 5:00 pm NEA Student Leadership Conference
9:00 am - 6:00 pm National Council of Urban Education Associations Meeting
2:30 pm - 8:30 pm Resolutions Editing Committee Meeting
Thursday, June 28
5:30 am - 4:30 pm NEA Student Leadership Conference
6:00 am - 5:00 pm NEA-Retired Annual Meeting
9:00 am - 12:00 pm National Education Employees Assistance Fund Annual Meeting
9:00 am - 4:00 pm Constitution, Bylaws and Rules Committee Meeting
9:00 am - 5:00 pm National Council of Urban Education Associations Meeting
9:00 am - 6:00 pm Joint Conference on the Concerns of Minorities and Women
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Resolutions Editing Committee Meeting
1:30 pm - 5:30 pm National Council of State Education Associations Meeting
4:00 pm - 5:30 pm Constitution, Bylaws and Rules Committee Meeting with Candidates for NEA Office
4:15 pm - 5:15 pm Ethnic Minority Affairs Committee Hearing
5:00 pm - 6:00 pm Women’s Issues Hearing
Friday, June 29
7:30 am - 8:30 pm Student Leadership Conference
8:30 am - 3:00 pm Joint Conference on the Concerns of Minorities and Women
8:30 am - 6:00 pm NEA-Retired Annual Meeting
9:00 am - 2:30 pm National Council of Urban Education Associations Meeting
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Candidates Interview Day
9:00 am - 6:00 pm Resolutions Committee Meeting
3:00 pm - 5:00 pm Credentials Committee Meeting
3:00 pm - 6:00 pm Board of Directors Meeting
4:00 pm - 10:00 pm National Council for Education Support Professionals Executive Meeting
Saturday, June 30
Annual Meeting (Delegate Registration and Policy Hearings Begin)

8:30 am - 10:00 am
8:00 am - 5:00 pm Registration: Delegates, Successor Delegates and Non-Delegates
8:00 am - 5:00 pm Exhibits
8:30 am - 10:00 am Student Leadership Conference
*Student delegates’ arrival to the state delegation meetings may be delayed as the student meeting is in an adjacent time slot.
9:00 am - 4:00 pm Exhibit:
9:00 am - 11:00 am Open Hearing on Resolutions
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Credentials Committee Meeting
10:00 am - 3:30 pm State Delegation Meetings
2:30 pm - 3:30 pm Sexual Orientation/Gender Identification (SOGI) Committee Hearing
3:30 pm - 4:30 pm Open Hearing: Policy Statement on Teacher Evaluation and Accountability
3:30 pm - 5:30 pm National Council for Educational Support Professional
4:00 pm - 5:30 pm Special Interest Caucus Meetings
4:00 pm - 6:00 pm National Council for Higher Education Membership Meeting
6:00 pm - 10:00 pm Special Guests' Dinner
ALL DAY Campaigning
TBD Outreach Service Project
Sunday, July 1
Forum and Pre Conference Day (Format/Content TBD)

7:00 am - 9:00 am State Delegation Meetings
8:00 am - 5:00 pm Registration: Delegates, Successor Delegates and Non-Delegates
8:00 am - 5:00 pm Exhibits
9:00 am - 6:00 pm Credentials Committee Meeting
10:00 am - 12:00 n Open Hearing on Strategic Plan and Budget
10:00 am - 4:00 pm Resolutions Committee Meeting
10:00 am - 4:00 pm Special Forums/Events
12:00 n - 1:00 pm Special Interest Caucus Meetings
1:00 pm - 3:00 pm Legislative Open Hearing
1:00 pm - 3:00 pm Open Hearing on Constitution, Bylaws and Rules
2:00 pm - 4:00 pm Elections Committee Meeting
4:30 pm Board of Directors Meeting
6:30 pm - 10:00 pm Human and Civil Rights Awards Dinner
All DAY Campaigning
TBD Outreach Service Project
Monday, July 2
7:00 am - 9:00 am State Delegation Meetings
8:00 am - 10:00 am Exhibits
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Credentials Committee Meeting
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Non-Delegate Registration
9:30 am - 10:00 am Special Interest Caucus Meetings
10:00 am - 5:00 pm Representative Assembly
All Day Campaigning
6:30 pm - 10:00 pm Friendship Night
Tuesday, July 3
7:00 am - 9:00 am State Delegation Meetings
8:30 am - 12:00 n Voting for Officers
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Credentials Committee Meeting
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Non-Delegate Registration
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Non-Profit Fundraising Activities
9:30 am - 10:00 am Special Interest Caucus Meetings
10:00 am - 5:00 pm Representative Assembly
Lunch Break Special Interest Caucus Meetings
Lunch Break National Council for Education Support Professional
Wednesday, July 4
7:00 am - 9:00 am State Delegation Meetings
8:30 am - 12:00 n Voting on Amendments and Runoff Elections (if necessary)
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Credentials Committee Meeting
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Non-Delegate Registration
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Non-Profit Fundraising Activities
9:30 am - 10:00 am Special Interest Caucus Meetings
10:00 am - 6:00 pm Representative Assembly
Lunch Break Special Interest Caucus Meetings
Thursday, July 5
7:00 am - 9:00 am State Delegation Meetings
9:00 am - 12:00 n Non-Delegate Registration
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Credentials Committee Meeting
9:00 am - 5:00 pm Non-Profit Fundraising Activities
9:30 am - 10:00 am Special Interest Caucus Meetings
10:00 am - 6:00 pm Representative Assembly
Lunch Break Special Interest Caucus Meetings
 
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