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Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

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Tundra said:
Several of us has been saying for awhile now that we elected a Bush 2 clone.
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One thing, and only one thing, I'll say for Dubya's Crew -- his administration didn't give a crap about mandates or popular opinion or, well, even basic morality, but they did force the issue. They imposed their will -- as twisted as it was -- on the political environment. They didn't wait for Their Moment of Perfect Happiness -- they did their thing and let history judge. The fact that it will judge them harshly doesn't change that.
 
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Kepler said:
One thing, and only one thing, I'll say for Dubya's Crew -- his administration didn't give a crap about mandates or popular opinion or, well, even basic morality, but they did force the issue. They imposed their will -- as twisted as it was. They didn't wait for Their Moment of Perfect Happiness -- they did their thing and let history judge. The fact that it will judge them harshly doesn't change that.
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It's called leadership.
 
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Meanwhile, Deadmeat's Justice Department is suing a trucking company for firing an alcoholic driver who wouldn't accept demotion to permanent non driving status. His alcoholism is a "disability," don't you know? One thing we're short of in this country is truck drivers high on drugs or booze or bennies on our highways.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...y-for-taking-keys-away-from-alcoholic-driver/
 
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GW Bush = Leadership and Obama = Deadmeat.

What an awesome country.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
GW Bush = Leadership and Obama = Deadmeat.

What an awesome country.
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You know what leadership is, don't you?

Bush got most of what he wanted, even though his party didn't control both chambers of Congress. You may not agree with many/any of the decisions made by his administration, but one thing you cannot question is how effectively he accomplished what he set out to do. Contrast that with Obama, a guy who wanted us out of Iraq during the campaign (we're still there). He wanted cap and trade (that didn't even get through an all-Dem Congress). He wanted to nationalize healthcare and have a public option (that option was stripped and the legislation was watered down). I'm pretty sure I remember him campaigning against the reckless tax cuts passed under W - and yet when push came to shove, they were extended with his blessing!

Clearly, this is not leadership of any sort. A leader sells his agenda to the public and to Congress and gets the bulk of it passed. Obama certainly has not done that.
 
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If people on here would stop looking at it as "my guy has to be right and their guy has to be wrong" they'd see that neither W or Obama are or were leaders.

While W had more opportunity to lead, as governor of Texas, he lacked other attributes and many felt, with justification, that he had been carried along the path by name and money.

Obama had no political leadership experience that I'm aware of.

If I could find my pre-election post in which I portrayed McCain as the experienced but 'old school' leader and Obama as the charismatic new guy with new ideas, and one had to be picked to run the largest division of the company, I predicted factors outside of skillset alone would determine the outcome.

In the scenario, there are times when you feel the supporting cast and the external factors will allow you to bring in somebody with no experience in that division, there are also times when you'd go with the continuity of a more experienced person even though you know few groundbreaking changes will result.

The risk for the new person is consensus, support of key leaders in the division and the risk that some of the new ideas fall flat (for good reasons or bad) and the rank and file start to wonder if he/she is an empty suit.

That in no way was/is an endorsement of either person. And hindsight is 20/20.

But nobody should be surprised if Obama hasn't shown great leadership, doesn't have the ability to reach out to old 'friends' across the aisle to help him out of a jam and doesn't have the supporting cast that compensates.

I know I'm not surprised.
 
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pirate said:
If people on here would stop looking at it as "my guy has to be right and their guy has to be wrong" they'd see that neither W or Obama are or were leaders.
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There is some validity to that.

But if there must be a choice...ideology/representation >>> leadership. Ask '30s Germany, 70s Cambodia, etc, etc.

With the possible exception of Huntsman, Obama is easily the most centrist candidate for the white house (and nonvoters do count as American citizens).
 
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5mn_Major said:
There is some validity to that.

But if there must be a choice...ideology/representation >>> leadership. Ask '30s Germany, 70s Cambodia, etc, etc.

With the possible exception of Huntsman, Obama is easily the most centrist candidate for the white house (and nonvoters do count as American citizens).
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Deadmeat a centrist? Perhaps in Pyongyang.
 
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"Obama's so unpopular that the Kenyans are trying to claim he was born in America."
 
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geezer said:
"Obama's so unpopular that the Kenyans are trying to claim he was born in America."
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That's the second belly laugh of the day for me. The first was Notre Dame losing. Pretty good day.
 
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If anyone wants to know what's wrong with America watch Meet the Press from today. It reruns on MSNBC today at 2 P.M. eastern time. Pay close attention to what Tom Friedman says the United States hasn't been doing since the end of the Cold War.
 
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5mn_Major said:
There is some validity to that.

But if there must be a choice...ideology/representation >>> leadership. Ask '30s Germany, 70s Cambodia, etc, etc.

With the possible exception of Huntsman, Obama is easily the most centrist candidate for the white house (and nonvoters do count as American citizens).
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Your inequality statement conflates way too many things. Democracy > Authoritarianism, certainly. But within democratic structures there's much to be said for leading and "letting the chips fall where they may." Because we've had a 40-year run of liberal timorousness in the face of conservative resolve, the result has been a centrist country voting centrist but then getting an alternation of decisive hard right governments and tepid center-left governments. A "Happy Warrior" Hubert Humphrey-type would have been the electoral match for the Reaganism of the 80's and the Derp-da-derpism of the 2000's GOP, and then gotten things done, but instead we've gotten hand-wringing Concern Trolls from the DLC who at best undo some of the knuck damage, worrying all the while. Obama's campaign was a breath of fresh air because it was so positive -- in a word, hopeful. But now he's sunk back into the dour-faced Carter Social Conscience of the Dem establishment. Most people do not respond to that. Masses may or may not follow a whistling frat boy, but they'll never follow a fretting professor. Human behavior 101.
 
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Your inequality statement conflates way too many things. Democracy > Authoritarianism, certainly. But within democratic structures there's much to be said for leading and "letting the chips fall where they may." Because we've had a 40-year run of liberal timorousness in the face of conservative resolve, the result has been a centrist country voting centrist but then getting an alternation of decisive hard right governments and tepid center-left governments. A "Happy Warrior" Hubert Humphrey-type would have been the electoral match for the Reaganism of the 80's and the Derp-da-derpism of the 2000's GOP, and then gotten things done, but instead we've gotten hand-wringing Concern Trolls from the DLC who at best undo some of the knuck damage, worrying all the while. Obama's campaign was a breath of fresh air because it was so positive -- in a word, hopeful. But now he's sunk back into the dour-faced Carter Social Conscience of the Dem establishment. Most people do not respond to that. Masses may or may not follow a whistling frat boy, but they'll never follow a fretting professor. Human behavior 101.
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Just how many stereotypes can you cram into one post? And if you're going to quote Foxton, you really should give him attribution, don't you think? You've kinda dropped your pose of being "above it all" haven't you? Now you're just another whiney, albeit somewhat more entertaining, libtard, It's sad, really. But look on the bright side, you get to b*tch about Bush for the rest of your life. Anyway, maybe you'll get your mojo back if/when Deadmeat's poll numbers improve.
 
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geezer said:
It's been made abundantly clear since I posted that link, that anyone caught reading the WSJ needs to be sent to a reeducation camp or just shot immediately lest they learn something that's inappropriate (or "conservative").
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I'm posting from an "undisclosed location."
 
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geezer said:
It's been made abundantly clear since I posted that link, that anyone caught reading the WSJ needs to be sent to a reeducation camp or just shot immediately lest they learn something that's inappropriate (or "conservative").
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Really? Who said such things?
 
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Priceless said:
Really? Who said such things?
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I'm paraphrasing Kepler, who is understandably feeling desperate about the idiot he spent so much time and energy championing.
I wonder if it still counts as RNC secret evil propoganda if the conservative paper is European?
The candidate of hope and change in 2008 is fast becoming the candidate of fear and the status quo this time around.
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