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Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

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Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Woosh nothing.



Part 1: You say the WSJ has no bias in their news pieces.
Part 2: You say that liberal outlets do.

You never mention that any conservative outlets do. Why? Are you biased?
You missed where I said the WSJ leans conservative, but not as far as Fox. But I know you aren't big on nuance. It's helpful if you keep up.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

You missed where I said the WSJ leans conservative, but not as far as Fox. But I know you aren't big on nuance. It's helpful if you keep up.

I think that was true until Murdoch bought out the WSJ. Its editorial pages have gone way downhill over the last couple of years.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

OK well, leaving aside the debate over whether we need to burn at the stake anyone who prints anything that isn't preapproved for public consumption by Barney Frank and the State of California, I thought it was a pretty sharp, independently intelligent argument. Maybe the fact that the messenger gets such a strong response indicates its power as well. Face it: Obama's been pulling America down since he took office. Can you imagine him debating a Reagan or a Roosevelt on American Exceptionalism? How stupid he'd look.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Um, no. The case that gets stronger every day is to take the House back and punish the GOP so brutally that its few sane members finally have the yarbles to kick the nuts to the curb. But I don't think that happens quite yet.

If I was putting money on it today I'd place my bet on Obama + a 2 seat GOP majority in the Senate + a 10 seat GOP majority in the House. Pretty much a push from today. If the Dems can manage to just barely hold on to the Senate* that would make a huge difference because of a SCOTUS confirmation. Ginsberg aint gonna live forever. (Scalia will. Just out of spite.)

* The midterm, 2014, is just as bad for the Dems, so if Obama has a second term the final two years ought to have a significant GOP Senate majority -- maybe even filibuster-proof. 2016 is the reverse.

Year De Re
2012 23 10
2014 23 10
2016 10 24
---- -- --
Total 56 44

Assuming every Republican incumbent Senate seat is held in 2012, the Dems have to go 17-6 in their incumbencies. That's going to be VERY hard, particularly with all the retirements.

"When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are."
 
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Do you honestly think it matters? Romney and Perry are two of the biggest flippers and floppers the planet has ever seen and yet here we are with them atop the GOP run for the nomination. What the right vilifies the left for doing they can always do themselves without being punished for it.

Yup, the right "gets away with stuff," but the left doesn't. Take a pill.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

OK well, leaving aside the debate over whether we need to burn at the stake anyone who prints anything that isn't preapproved for public consumption by Barney Frank and the State of California, I thought it was a pretty sharp, independently intelligent argument. Maybe the fact that the messenger gets such a strong response indicates its power as well. Face it: Obama's been pulling America down since he took office. Can you imagine him debating a Reagan or a Roosevelt on American Exceptionalism? How stupid he'd look.

He believes in American exceptionalism in the same way some guy in Bangladesh believes in the exceptionalism of HIS country.
 
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Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

OK well, leaving aside the debate over whether we need to burn at the stake anyone who prints anything that isn't preapproved for public consumption by Barney Frank and the State of California, I thought it was a pretty sharp, independently intelligent argument. Maybe the fact that the messenger gets such a strong response indicates its power as well. Face it: Obama's been pulling America down since he took office. Can you imagine him debating a Reagan or a Roosevelt on American Exceptionalism? How stupid he'd look.
Humorously said and true. Well done.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Right. Conservative publications never slant the news stories. That's reserved for the libtards.

Remember the timely NYT hit piece on McCain's "affair?" Front page. No sources. No apology. Do the name Jayson Blair ring a bell? Or Janet Cooke? Or Walter Duranty? Or Stephen Glass?
 
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Sorry, I am exactly the wrong person to try that one on -- guess where I went to grad school? :) As the other guy said, Hoover is as hard-wired into the conservative chattering classes as Brookings is into the liberals.

The piece is facile -- it completely ignores 400 years of international political science in favor of scoring a few obvious, partisan points. It's not a "good" opinion piece, it's either knowingly obtuse or unknowingly childish.

Or disagrees with you.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

"Many liberal outlets"? Right. You mean like the Washington Times, which constantly cross-dresses opinion as news, or the WSJ itself, which has done it more and more over the last few years, or of course the grand-daddy of them all, FNC, which is caught about five times a day specifically tailoring its news coverage to its all-but-officially chartered purpose as a Republican party bullhorn.

Cultural relativism suggests we accept primitive peoples' practices as of indeterminate ultimate moral worth; it doesn't blind us to their shortcomings. Those guys' games are cute; they just shouldn't expect to be taken seriously.

"Primative peoples." Ah, an honest libtard, "we're better than you are, and smarter (check out our transcripts) and our sh*t don't stink, neither." As Sir Joseph Porter said: "Proper self respect, nothing more."
 
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Why should I take advice on economics from people who work at an institution named after, and follow the philosophies of, the president who caused the Great Depression?

We have a winner in the balcony Doctor for the moronic comment of the day. Here's a little factoid for you: on his death bed Hoover was several orders of magnitude smarter than you. If you were anything but a jabbering, superficial, libtard child, you'd know that.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Face it: Obama's been pulling America down since he took office. Can you imagine him debating a Reagan or a Roosevelt on American Exceptionalism? How stupid he'd look.

By face it you mean accept your silly talking point?

On the contrary, Obama would be very much at home in that company. It's bizarre that people have such a derangement syndrome towards any Dem with the temerity to be president that he supposedly "runs America down." We heard the same crap about Clinton and Carter. It's just a particular type of partisan's incapacity to accept that some America values are different from theirs but have as much of a call on our historical identity. That, in fact, those are the values that make America special. Anybody can tub-thump about power -- every tin-horn authoritarian has played that same "respect my authority" game.

You guys should stop wrapping that flag so tightly around yourselves -- you're cutting off circulation to the brain.

I'm far prouder of an American president who extolls our values than some sort of zombie-like devotion to constant aggression and a petulant refusal to examine past actions and perhaps correct them (particularly when those mistakes were the reactionary excesses of a portion of the electorate not particularly noteworthy for their wisdom or honor). But that's just me... and most Americans.

"Conservatives love America the way a 4-year-old loves her Mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups."
 
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I'm far prouder of an American that extolls our values than some sort of zombie-like devotion to constant aggression. But that's just me... and most Americans.
which values, and extolled how lately?
It's bizarre that people have such a derangement syndrome towards any Dem with the temerity to be president that he supposedly "runs America down."
The Roosevelt I referred to (F.D.) as upholding the idea of American Exceptionalism was a democrat, so that argument is shot. I think Obama would in fact like to follow his lead, if he had the ability or courage to do so. It really has nothing at all to do with political parties or economic philosophies. It has nothing to do with raw military power, for that matter, as you seem to imply. American Exceptionalism would refer to the belief that we can prosper above and beyond the norm based on exceptional societal systems and opportunities.
 
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I'm pretty sure most of the country views everyone in DC as petty. ;)

I don't know about this situation but after their behavior during The Great Debt Ceiling hostage crisis the GOP pretty much lost the right to call anyone petty ever again.

true, but only one person is supposed to look presidential...it has to be hard but sometimes the potus needs to stay up on the sidewalk, we know 99% of congress is already in the gutter...any president, right or left, needs to avoid the lesser man turning a boxing match into a street fight...because the other guy is more comfortable in a street fight and even if they both look petty, the president ends up looking a little worse.

come to think of it, shouldn't the president have sent Biden or his chief of staff to engage in that fight? He should have had somebody else smoke out Boner and then Obama can step in to 'solve' the issue
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

By face it you mean accept your silly talking point?

On the contrary, Obama would be very much at home in that company. It's bizarre that people have such a derangement syndrome towards any Dem with the temerity to be president that he supposedly "runs America down." We heard the same crap about Clinton and Carter. It's just a particular type of partisan's incapacity to accept that some America values are different from theirs but have as much of a call on our historical identity. That, in fact, those are the values that make America special. Anybody can tub-thump about power -- every tin-horn authoritarian has played that same "respect my authority" game.

You guys should stop wrapping that flag so tightly around yourselves -- you're cutting off circulation to the brain.

I'm far prouder of an American president who extolls our values than some sort of zombie-like devotion to constant aggression and a petulant refusal to examine past actions and perhaps correct them (particularly when those mistakes were the reactionary excesses of a portion of the electorate not particularly noteworthy for their wisdom or honor). But that's just me... and most Americans.

"Conservatives love America the way a 4-year-old loves her Mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups."

Liberals love America inversely to the way Jane Fonda loved North Vietnam. You use the word "zombie" to describe anyone who doesn't blame America first--for everything. Libtards' have deeply held suspicions that people who serve America are like James Mattoon Scott, or perhaps Jack D. Ripper: unhinged, spouting patriotic bromides and willing to overthrow the government or destroy the world. Your presidential nominee a few years ago made his bones by smearing an entire generation of American servicemen with made up stories of war crimes. Stories told by folks who not only weren't there, but who never served. Nowdays liberals claim to "support the troops." but that's usually a lie. Many of you want the troops to be killed in unnacceptable numbers so as to change our foreign policy. Generally, you think enlisteds are victims of John Edwards' "two Americas," poor, under educated, with no options other than the military. You guys actually don't like, respect or support our military and haven't since at least Vietnam.

Libtards are always hectoring the rest of us for believing in "simple solutions to complex problems," claiming, as you do nearly every day, a superiority which the rest of us rubes should just acknowledge. You give lip service to the concept of defending the rights of others to disagree with you, but you don't really mean it. One of the favorite libtard responses to any patriotic argument is the universal dismissive "my country, right or wrong." My response is: whose country does it become if it's wrong? Yeah, it's my country under any circumstances. Yet this bit of stupidity is accepted as libtard "wisdom."

Remember what you said on Independence day two years ago? I posted about there being a lot of greatness in America and your response was that I was being "political." In Kepler world, saying something nice about this country, especially on its birthday, is "political," and should be avoided.

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

Jack Kennedy said those words. He believed them. And I believe them. And millions of Americans who have served, are serving, and will serve their country believe them. Sadly, millions of liberals don't. Millions who don't really like Ameri"K"a, because it's "racist", "homophobic", "Islamophobic," "capitalist", "right wing", "insufficiently in awe of the various socialist utopias out there" and "deserving of what it got on 9/11."
 
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Give Obama a break, he promises to be done his speech before the game starts.
 
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