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Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

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Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

I think it got Ohio'ed, actually. Do we have paper trails for voting machines yet? It's been 7 years...

BTW, you are not alone in your theories.

Yeah, it's a good idea, if your plan is to steal a statewide election (no matter that it would take an army of people and may not even be possible) to announce it publicly, in advance. You guys give paranoia a bad name. My partner in Houston, months and months before the voting, was burbling every day about this idiot at Diebold and his pre-confession to "stealing" Ohio. Loser talk, pure and simple.

Daily Kos and Uygur? Laugh 'til I puke.
 
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The Dems dismissed Dubya's re-election chances as well. How'd that work out? ;)
True. There are lots of elections where things change dramatically in a relatively short period of time. Look at how Clinton was kind of a default choice for the Dems, with high profile Dems at the time staying away from the nomination as Bush1 was riding high in the polls coming out of the Gulf War. Then the economy goes into recession, Bush1's approval ratings tank, and Clinton becomes President. Things can change in innumerable ways between now and the election, especially when we don't even know who Obama is facing. That said, he's making a stronger case by the day to not reelect him.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

I think it got Ohio'ed, actually. Do we have paper trails for voting machines yet? It's been 7 years...

BTW, you are not alone in your theories.
It works for both parties. Maryland, our home state, has a (alleged) rich history of getting out the (Democratic) vote - dead or alive. Then there was the alleged (but not prosecuted) voter intimidation in Philadelphia. Then there were the (alleged) Tammany Hall controlled elections in NY, the (alleged) Frank Hague controlled elections in Jersey City.

Speaking of Frank - a legend in NJ politics, I came across this great quote: "We hear about constitutional rights, free speech and the free press. Every time I hear those words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red, that man is a Communist.' You never heard a real American talk in that manner." - speech to the Jersey City Chamber of Commerce, January 12, 1938.

If the Democrats had put out a better candidate in 2004 we may not be having these discussions.
 
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That said, he's making a stronger case by the day to not reelect him.
Um, no. The case that gets stronger every day is to take the House back and punish the GOP so brutally that its few sane members finally have the yarbles to kick the nuts to the curb. But I don't think that happens quite yet.

If I was putting money on it today I'd place my bet on Obama + a 2 seat GOP majority in the Senate + a 10 seat GOP majority in the House. Pretty much a push from today. If the Dems can manage to just barely hold on to the Senate* that would make a huge difference because of a SCOTUS confirmation. Ginsberg aint gonna live forever. (Scalia will. Just out of spite.)

* The midterm, 2014, is just as bad for the Dems, so if Obama has a second term the final two years ought to have a significant GOP Senate majority -- maybe even filibuster-proof. 2016 is the reverse.

Year De Re
2012 23 10
2014 23 10
2016 10 24
---- -- --
Total 56 44

Assuming every Republican incumbent Senate seat is held in 2012, the Dems have to go 17-6 in their incumbencies. That's going to be VERY hard, particularly with all the retirements.
 
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If the Democrats had put out a better candidate in 2004 we may not be having these discussions.
At the end of the day, absolutely. Dubya was incredibly fortunate to get such an assist from the opposition in both elections. Obama may be as well.
 
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...could anyone be a bigger flip flopper than Perry? Just wondering.
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Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

...could anyone be a bigger flip flopper than Perry? Just wondering.

Do you honestly think it matters? Romney and Perry are two of the biggest flippers and floppers the planet has ever seen and yet here we are with them atop the GOP run for the nomination. What the right vilifies the left for doing they can always do themselves without being punished for it.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Um, no. The case that gets stronger every day is to take the House back and punish the GOP so brutally that its few sane members finally have the yarbles to kick the nuts to the curb. But I don't think that happens quite yet.

If I was putting money on it today I'd place my bet on Obama + a 2 seat GOP majority in the Senate + a 10 seat GOP majority in the House. Pretty much a push from today. If the Dems can manage to just barely hold on to the Senate* that would make a huge difference because of a SCOTUS confirmation. Ginsberg aint gonna live forever. (Scalia will. Just out of spite.)

* The midterm, 2014, is just as bad for the Dems, so if Obama has a second term the final two years ought to have a significant GOP Senate majority -- maybe even filibuster-proof. 2016 is the reverse.

Year De Re
2012 23 10
2014 23 10
2016 10 24
---- -- --
Total 56 44

Assuming every Republican incumbent Senate seat is held in 2012, the Dems have to go 17-6 in their incumbencies. That's going to be VERY hard, particularly with all the retirements.
The Dems get the house back (and grab back 60 votes in the Senate), and we get more disastrous "stimulus" spending, more health care and other big government mandates, and this country will swirl the drain even quicker. The biggest benefit of the Republicans holding the House the last 2 years is keeping the Dems from doing more damage, and of course getting the crushing budget deficit issue in front of folks at least a little bit. Not that the public wants to hear about it, so I fully expect the indulgent American public to vote out many of the Republicans for it and vote back in people who won't tell them they're living beyond their means.

That said, your scenario of Obama winning and the Republicans having both houses of Congress is very possible. Who knows in all the craziness we're seeing where any of a dozen issues will be a year from now.
 
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That said, your scenario of Obama winning and the Republicans having both houses of Congress is very possible. Who knows in all the craziness we're seeing where any of a dozen issues will be a year from now.
I don't think I agree with anything in your first paragraph, either axiom or corollary, but I do agree with this.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

I don't think I agree with anything in your first paragraph, either axiom or corollary, but I do agree with this.
I wouldn't expect you to agree with anything in the first paragraph. I'd be shocked if you did!;)
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

The GOP candidates for president missed a golden opportunity. Obama would have addressed Congress at 8PM, followed by the GOP debate at 9PM. It would've turned the president into a warm-up act for the people running for his job. They also would have a perfect chance to rebut him. Of course, that might take the spotlight off of Boehner...ohhh, that's why he wanted a different date.
 
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