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Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

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Sunoco has said they will stop refining. Not good.
This doesn't make much sense, the money is in refining certainly not retail. Unless their refineries are dated?
 
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There's a fairly famous social science experiment where they show groups of fans the same sports footage and have them count the fouls. Of course, each fan group wildly overestimates fouls on its own players while discounting its own misdeeds.

We don't see the world, we have our own predispositions endlessly recapitulated back to us.

And one only needs to read this thread for confirmation.

Maybe another good test for each party would be to give them a paragraph from the other party and ask them to privately identify 2 things they completely disagree with, 2 things they would change slightly and 2 things that they completely agree with (note:may have to be done after dose of truth serum to achieve any results)....I believe they agree on more than they admit, or don't disagree so much that they couldn't work it out but are the current equivalent of the Jets and Sharks (no not NY and San Jose).

Just like you won't find a devout catholic willing to admit those heathens in other religions may be more accurate about the role of women etc. it would be suicide for a current leader of a party to admit the other side is anything but completely wrong, dishonest and brain-dead
 
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This doesn't make much sense, the money is in refining certainly not retail. Unless their refineries are dated?
They seem to be spinning everything off. A couple months ago they shed their chemical research arm, which I would think would be a potential gold mine.

Agreed on retailing. In fact, every other energy company has gotten out of the retail game -- the margins are non-existent. Hence all the Quick-E-Marts selling gas.

They also just bought back all their public stock.

None of those decisions seem to complement one another. Maybe a business type will clarify what they're doing.
 
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Before the jobs speech, and then the inevitable OMGTEHSOCIALISMS!!!!1111! demonization by Fox and Fools, here's an introduction to what a "national infrastructure bank" is.

 
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Amazing how Obama can talk about the supposed need to balance federal revenue and spending out of one side of his mouth and then throw out new $300 billion programs out the other side of his mouth. Maybe he's just not good at math?
 
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Amazing how Obama can talk about the supposed need to balance federal revenue and spending out of one side of his mouth and then throw out new $300 billion programs out the other side of his mouth. Maybe he's just not good at math?

It's easy to balance the budget. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. So, get rid of it. Now we're balanced.
 
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It's easy to balance the budget. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. So, get rid of it. Now we're balanced.
I agree it's a Ponzi scheme. But that wouldn't balance the budget, just get rid of one of the biggest things that's headed toward going belly up. Or maybe you're saying to keep the social security payments, but just not have them go into social security, but rather into the general budget? Oh, wait, that's what we already have been doing for many years, and the reason Social Security is sitting on nothing more than a huge pile of IOUs. I'm with you, but just don't see it fixing things all the way.
 
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I agree it's a Ponzi scheme. But that wouldn't balance the budget, just get rid of one of the biggest things that's headed toward going belly up. Or maybe you're saying to keep the social security payments, but just not have them go into social security, but rather into the general budget? Oh, wait, that's what we already have been doing for many years, and the reason Social Security is sitting on nothing more than a huge pile of IOUs. I'm with you, but just don't see it fixing things all the way.

Sure it would fix it.

1. Checks stop going out.
2. Money keeps coming in.

Balanced.

Do the same thing with Medicare/Medicaid.

If we're really sick of taking care of people and want them to be independent than kick them out the nest. Done. It's pretty obvious to me that no one wants to pay taxes so its time to balance the budget and then eliminate the programs altogether that require taxes.

Simple.
 
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Sure it would fix it.

1. Checks stop going out.
2. Money keeps coming in.

Balanced.

Do the same thing with Medicare/Medicaid.

If we're really sick of taking care of people and want them to be independent than kick them out the nest. Done. It's pretty obvious to me that no one wants to pay taxes so its time to balance the budget and then eliminate the programs altogether that require taxes.

Simple.
I haven't seen an analysis of how stopping Social Security payments, while continuing to take in revenues, would balance the budget. So, color me skeptical. And of course it'll never happen, as AARP and company would never remotely let such a thing happen, until maybe it's bankrupted and there's no money to pay out. But, as usual, we as a nation will wait until disaster is about 3 inches in front of our nose before making any sort of tough decisions.
 
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I haven't seen an analysis of how stopping Social Security payments, while continuing to take in revenues, would balance the budget. So, color me skeptical.

So, you don't think stopping money from going out and keeping money coming in will balance the budget? Well, then it is truly hopeless.
 
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So, you don't think stopping money from going out and keeping money coming in will balance the budget? Well, then it is truly hopeless.
Nuance Scooby, nuance. It depends on how much would stop going out, how much would continue coming in, and how out of whack the total budget is. I don't know what those numbers are, and I won't jump to the conclusion you apparently have.
 
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I agree it's a Ponzi scheme.

Then you don't know what a Ponzi scheme is. A Ponzi scheme is a specific type of organized fraud. The demographic bubble that is causing social security's current ills does not make the system itself a Ponzi scheme.
 
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Nuance Scooby, nuance. It depends on how much would stop going out, how much would continue coming in, and how out of whack the total budget is. I don't know what those numbers are, and I won't jump to the conclusion you apparently have.

Fine. Then you keep cutting until its balanced.

Start with Social Security.
Next Medicare.
Next Welfare, foodstamps.

Until your balanced.

Once your balanced then cut taxes. Until your balanced leave the current taxes in place. The good news here is that the job creators won't have to EVER suffer a tax increase to help balance the budget.

Then you don't know what a Ponzi scheme is. A Ponzi scheme is a specific type of organized fraud. The demographic bubble that is causing social security's current ills does not make the system itself a Ponzi scheme.

Does this mean that Rick Perry is wrong? I'm sorry but I can't believe that.
 
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Then you don't know what a Ponzi scheme is. A Ponzi scheme is a specific type of organized fraud. The demographic bubble that is causing social security's current ills does not make the system itself a Ponzi scheme.
But.. but... Ponzie scheme!
 
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Watching Scooby discuss politics with others is like reading a cleverbot script. I love it.
 
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There are a couple of significant differences between Social Security and a Bernie Madoff type Ponzi scheme. First, SS is legal. And second, whereas a Bernie Madoff Ponzi Scheme depended upon convincing investors to put there money in, SS is forced participation via FICA taxes.
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

And one only needs to read this thread for confirmation.

Maybe another good test for each party would be to give them a paragraph from the other party and ask them to privately identify 2 things they completely disagree with, 2 things they would change slightly and 2 things that they completely agree with (note:may have to be done after dose of truth serum to achieve any results)....I believe they agree on more than they admit, or don't disagree so much that they couldn't work it out but are the current equivalent of the Jets and Sharks (no not Winnipeg and San Jose).

Just like you won't find a devout catholic willing to admit those heathens in other religions may be more accurate about the role of women etc. it would be suicide for a current leader of a party to admit the other side is anything but completely wrong, dishonest and brain-dead

fyp
 
Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

There are a couple of significant differences between Social Security and a Bernie Madoff type Ponzi scheme. First, SS is legal. And second, whereas a Bernie Madoff Ponzi Scheme depended upon convincing investors to put there money in, SS is forced participation via FICA taxes.
Simply put, the difference is that a Ponzi scheme is designed to eventually screw over the investors after it's no longer possible to get more investors, it depends entirely on being able to get more and more. SS always has new investors. So unless no children are born or people stop paying in, it's impossible for it to be a Ponzi scheme. In fact by trying to get it changed so SS is privatized republicans are trying to make it into a Ponzi scheme.

Please stop equating the two and showing that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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Fine. Then you keep cutting until its balanced.

Start with Social Security.
Next Medicare.
Next Welfare, foodstamps.

How about we just let the Bush tax cuts expire, uncap the payroll tax, and then if there's a deficit left over end the wars?

If after we've done all of those things we still have a deficit, then means-test Social Security and Medicare.

Balanced.
 
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