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Obama XX: Maybe We'll Even Talk About Obama

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BTW, what's a squirmish?
 
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What are the various shades?

Over 1,000 troops for blue, 100 for light blue, and "use of national military facilities" for orange. (How you get "permission" to use anything in Somalia with their lack of government is a good question)
 
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It was actually the other idiot:

[video]http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/sarah-palin-wonders-aloud-if-libya-squirmis[/video]

That's right. I knew that too, darn it. You know Palin really is a whiz with Foreign Policy. She can see Russia from her house.
 
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My point entirely. You can't tell the future, so you can't make guarantees. Bush didn't simply strike back after 9/11. He articulated an entirely new doctrine of engagement (the 2002 speech on the national security strategy of the United States). It was a lot bigger than just striking back at OBL. He learned to be a proper neocon. Unfortunately.

As for Clinton, your memory is a bit selective. Ask the Rwandans about Clinton's interventionism. His campaign was almost entirely focused on domestic politics, and he took office in the shadow of Operation Restore Hope's failure (I like GHWB as much as the next guy, but that one was on him). It took a genocide to get Clinton to authorize NATO in the Balkans, and even then he dragged his feet.

Selective or not, Clinton, like Obama, evidently thought the congress was an impediment to his nation building. And so do Democrats, when the president involved is a Democrat. When he's a Republican, not so much. I believe the technical term for that is hypocricy.
 
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Note the first line -- I have problems with the way Obama did it. That's called conditional agreement. You may not be familiar with it coming from a land where (affected western tough guy pose on) "you're either with us or against us." :rolleyes:

Right, two seconds of criticism for the "smartest guy in the room," followed by hours and hours of the same old crapola. You've got plenty of losers on your side, but nobody here spends all day, every day, combing through the media to find some quote to set off yet another self love fantasy. The daily breathless reporting on "did you hear what Palin/Bachman said," followed by the customary sniggering is, at best childish and certainly boring and predictable. Smugness is not a virtue. You've got Maxine Waters and Gerry Nadler and Chuck ("we're just gonna repeat the word extremist over and over again" Schumer and the rest of the menagerie. Now occasionally these worthies demand some mention, like Sheila Jackson Lee's stirring speech on the floor of the House explaining how well North and South Vietnam are getting along these days. Poetry. But as a general rule, the folks on my side of the aisle don't spend every waking breathing minute overdosing on smug.

I'm reminded of Buckley's response when he was asked why Bobby Kennedy rejected a debate with him: "Why does balogna reject the grinder?"
 
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That's right. I knew that too, darn it. You know Palin really is a whiz with Foreign Policy. She can see Russia from her house.

She never said that. But "the smartest guy in the room" DID reference the 57 states. How's your supply of lube holding out?
 
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Did Truman make us errand boys for the UN in Korea? Did FDR make us errand boys for the Brits with Lend Lease?

Unilateral action is great when you're under attack. When you're working with a coalition with common interests intervening in a third party conflict... not so good.

You guys are "thinking" with the wrong head. As usual.

Did Truman bypass Congress? I don't think we were errand boys for the Brits when U-boats were sinking American ships withing sight of our shores. And torpedoing the Reuben James. FDR, BTW, did a great job in fighting isolationism while helping the Brits as much as he could. It is isolationism, especially as espoused by Colonel McCormick and the Chicago Tribune, that was largely responsible for the notion that Roosevelt "knew" about the attack on Pearl Harbor and did nothing, because he wanted us in the war.
 
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Right, two seconds of criticism for the "smartest guy in the room,"

Obama Derangement Syndrome really runs deep. :rolleyes:

I'm surprised nobody's ginned up "grounds for impeachment" yet. Something to look forward to in the election year I guess.
 
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Obama Derangement Syndrome really runs deep. :rolleyes:

I'm surprised nobody's ginned up "grounds for impeachment" yet. Something to look forward to in the election year I guess.

Someone has. Just not who you'd expect.
 
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Reagan bypassed Congress at least 3 times:

1982 Lebanon
1983 Grenada
1986 Libya

GHWB bypassed Congress twice

1989 Panama
1990 Desert Shield
(though he did get authorization for the big enchilada in 1991)

Clinton was all over the map, requesting and receiving support for some operations, bypassing Congress on other operations, and requesting but not receiving Congressional approval on still others.

Only the fringe-st of the Libertarians would argue against the executive power to deploy rapidly, per War Powers. The question for Obama is: will this be a quick in-and-out? He says yes. He also says that victory cannot be achieved without Gaddafi being removed from power. These statements don't jibe. Which will it be?
 
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What more annoying? The _____ Doctrine or ______gate scandal?
_____gate is worse because the attachment of "gate" is completely unnecessary and pointless. At least "doctrine", while unoriginal, is a term that applies.
 
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