Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

[unofan]

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Mitt Romney: This deal is terrible

Sarah Palin: Against the tax deal

Mike Pence: Against the tax deal

On the other hand, Gingrich, Huckabee, T-Paw are all in favor of it. So you know, certainly not all tea partiers, but a few.

Palin and Romney aren't against the tax cuts themselves, though, but the funding of the extended unemployment benefits. So they're fine with increasing the debt by an additional 700 billion, it's just that extra bit they have a problem with.

Edit: Pence is the same way. They're all fiscal idiots.

 

[unofan]

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Yawn.

Where have you been? It's been awhile since you trolled me.

flamed, not trolled.

Trolling is a post "fishing" for any and/or multiple responses.
Flaming is a post meant to solicit a response from a specific person.

 

[Kepler]

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Then go back and edit your posts where you talk about intellectual povery, being reality based, etc. There's a definite slant to your comments and you know it, even if you avoid specifically saying the word intelligence and who has a clue about things or not.

Intellectual/economic poverty refers to the South, not conservatism.

The reality-based community is a cheap shot, but (1) the folks who called themselves "faith-based" cried out for a grapefruit in the face, and (2) ID and Creationism simply aren't reality-based.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Palin and Romney aren't against the tax cuts themselves, though, but the funding of the extended unemployment benefits. So they're fine with increasing the debt by an additional 700 billion, it's just that extra bit they have a problem with.

Right, but I was responding to geezer's post, which asked if Tea Partiers were for or against the bill.

The answer: both.

Just saw your edit, how is Pence the same way? His issue seems to be with the so called second stimulus.

 

[Bob Gray]

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flamed, not trolled.

Trolling is a post "fishing" for any and/or multiple responses.
Flaming is a post meant to solicit a response from a specific person.

this coming from a guy who didn't know what I meant when I said something seemed fishy regarding the Iowa situation.

go tout your liberal causes.

 

[unofan]

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Right, but I was responding to geezer's post, which asked if Tea Partiers were for or against the bill.

The answer: both.

Right, but they're against the bill based on poor logic, which doesn't exactly help their cause. They're against it because the Dems actually got something out of it, not because of any sense of fiscal propriety.

Also, to answer your other question, from the article you posted on Pence:

Pence joins the ranks of conservatives, many of whom have ties to the Tea Party movement, who have opposed the deal. The Indiana Republican echoed their arguments against the bill; Pence said the 13-month extension of unemployment benefits would only bloat the deficit, and that extending the tax rates for only two years wouldn't provide adequate certainty in the markets.

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), another opponent of the tax deal, had joined with Pence to float a bill to extend all expiring tax rates permanently. Pence said he would approach the House Rules Committee to inquire about an opportunity to vote on a permanent extension of tax cuts.

 

[Kepler]

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This is the exact opposite of my experience in the aerospace industry. Every single company I've visited or worked at, from Vermont to Florida to Southern California to Seattle and everywhere in between, I'm continually surprised at just how conservative the industry is. This goes for military and commercial programs, and for the tiny bit that I've dabbled in space.

Now, of course, you're basically talking about the over 40 white male demographic, so it may be self selecting in that way, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with geography.

And as for Lockheed in Texas, well, if you saw a McCain sticker on a <s>car</s> truck (who are we kidding, there were hardly any cars in the parking lot - F150s and up), then that's because he never got around to covering it up with Palin stickers after the convention...

We're in the same biz. The rule around here (plants in NoVa) is:

McCain sticker: navy-trained engineer, also has an NRA sticker, "My son is a Marine" sticker, and an anti-abortion sticker
Kerry sticker: college grad engineer, also has his undergrad sticker or his kid's college sticker, is the McCain guy's manager
Obama sticker: every employee of color and that one hot chick in HR

(Almost everybody here is over 40 and white, too. Not the hot chick, though.)

 

[Bob Gray]

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Intellectual/economic poverty refers to the South, not conservatism.

The reality-based community is a cheap shot, but (1) the folks who called themselves "faith-based" cried out for a grapefruit in the face, and (2) ID and Creationism simply aren't reality-based.

You were linking it all together the way you posted, but even referring to the south specifically is using a very broad brush. And this comes from a guy who never passes by a chance to make fun of the SEC.

Sorry you have such an issue with faith-based people. We're really all faith-based people, it's just a matter of what you put faith in and why. I'll let the creationism comment slide by without comment as I don't want Foxton, Scooby, etc. to start rabidly frothing at the mouth again.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Also, to answer your other question, from the article you posted on Pence:

... and from the same article

"At the end of the day, I've just come to the conclusion: the American people did not vote for more stimulus," Pence said on conservative talker Sean Hannity's radio show. "Therefore, I will not vote for this tax deal when it comes to the floor of the House of Representatives."

What I'm saying is, his position is not just "No unemployment benefits!!!!"

 

[unofan]

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this coming from a guy who didn't know what I meant when I said something seemed fishy regarding the Iowa situation.

Fishy - adjective; (informal); of questionable character; suspicious

Yeah, couldn't imagine why I thought you were implying impropriety by using such a word in that context.

But that's neither here, nor there. You confused trolled and flamed. It happens.

 

[unofan]

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What I'm saying is, his position is not just "No unemployment benefits!!!!"

Then why is he looking for a permanent extension of the tax cuts? That seems to imply that his only problems with the bill are the unemployment benefits and the fact that the tax cuts are only temporary.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Fishy - adjective; (informal); of questionable character; suspicious

Yeah, couldn't imagine why I thought you were implying impropriety by using such a word in that context.

But that's neither here, nor there. You confused trolled and flamed. It happens.

It was clear from your initial response in that thread that you had no idea what I meant when I used the word "fishy". Or else you were being purposely disingenuous. I'll lean toward the first unless you convince me otherwise.

I'm not confused on flamed vs. trolled. Or maybe you're an expert on Carter and my interactions over the years here, as you seem to claim to be.

Again, go defend your liberal causes.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Then why is he looking for a permanent extension of the tax cuts? That seems to imply that his only problems with the bill are the unemployment benefits and the fact that the tax cuts are only temporary.

I took his quote about "second stimulus" to be more about the payroll tax deal and the renewal of ethanol subisidies.

But I'm sure he does want the tax cuts to be permanent, that's what all the Republicans ran on. (You know, the ones who picked up 63 seats in the House.) We can pass graphs back and forth for another two pages if you like on whether that's a good idea or not, but the point is, not every single Tea Partier is in favor of this deal. That's the only point I was trying to make, as Scooby seemed to be getting his broad brush out.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I took his quote about "second stimulus" to be more about the payroll tax deal and the renewal of ethanol subisidies.

But I'm sure he does want the tax cuts to be permanent, that's what all the Republicans ran on. (You know, the ones who picked up 63 seats in the House.) We can pass graphs back and forth for another two pages if you like on whether that's a good idea or not, but the point is, not every single Tea Partier is in favor of this deal. That's the only point I was trying to make, as Scooby seemed to be getting his broad brush out.

Getting his broad brush out? Scooby has no other brush.

 

[Kepler]

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You were linking it all together the way you posted, but even referring to the south specifically is using a very broad brush. And this comes from a guy who never passes by a chance to make fun of the SEC.

I admit I'm completely irrational when it comes to the South. I really, really, really hate the South, and the closer I live to it, the more I hate it. The only positive things I can think of about the South are the cooking is better than the rest of the country, the girls are pretty, and southerners with old money are the only people left in the US with manners.

Cheap shots at the SEC just write themselves; we can't help that.

Sorry you have such an issue with faith-based people. We're really all faith-based people, it's just a matter of what you put faith in and why.

I agree we're all faith-based, that's exactly why the people who appropriated the term for their own narrow, shallow, radical political project are so heinous. The label "faith-based" as used in our political environment means a particular doctrine, not spiritual in the small c catholic sense you are using it.

 

[Carter]

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Yawn.


Where have you been? It's been awhile since you trolled me.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 

[walrus]

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the only waste left on site is spent fuel, all of the other waste, including the reactor core and low level waste & demolition debris (concrete containment dome) was hauled out of state by barge and rail.

Wasn't sure if the containment building got hauled off, still a very small footprint compared to say the ash pile if they had burned coal to make the same amount of KWs

 

[Bob Gray]

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I admit I'm completely irrational when it comes to the South. I really, really, really hate the South, and the closer I live to it, the more I hate it. The only positive things I can think of about the South are the cooking is better than the rest of the country, the girls are pretty, and southerners with old money are the only people left in the US with manners.

Cheap shots at the SEC just write themselves; we can't help that.

I agree we're all faith-based, that's exactly why the people who appropriated the term for their own narrow, shallow, radical political project are so heinous. The label "faith-based" as used in our political environment means a particular doctrine, not spiritual in the small c catholic sense you are using it.

I'm generally not a big fan of the south myself, but I tend to think that this board is way overboard on the failings of the south. No coincidentally, this board mostly represents midwest and northeastern U.S. perspectives.

I guess as I get older, I just get tired of how people buy into stupid stereotypes (I'm not saying that at you, but generally) and don't realize just how overboard they go on demonizing someone who they disagree with. It's not good for anyone. People are just all sorts of shades of gray on so many things, and when we box each other in as being all black and white, it is stifling and debilitating to any efforts to get along and make this country work. You just can't work easily with someone whom you have constantly demonized in the past.

On faith-based, I think it can be used by both sides poorly. By Christians as saying we're better than you, but that's at least in part in reaction to many who now openly mock any sort of religious faith or belief in this country. There are many people who will claim they have no faith of any sort, but really, they just don't recognize where they have faith of any sort. We do all have faith in something, but within that rubric, there are of course vast differences in what we have faith in, how and to what extent that faith directs our life, etc.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'm generally not a big fan of the south myself, but I tend to think that this board is way overboard on the failings of the south. No coincidentally, this board mostly represents midwest and northeastern U.S. perspectives.

I guess as I get older, I just get tired of how people buy into stupid stereotypes (I'm not saying that at you, but generally) and don't realize just how overboard they go on demonizing someone who they disagree with. It's not good for anyone. People are just all sorts of shades of gray on so many things, and when we box each other in as being all black and white, it is stifling and debilitating to any efforts to get along and make this country work. You just can't work easily with someone whom you have constantly demonized in the past.

On faith-based, I think it can be used by both sides poorly. By Christians as saying we're better than you, but that's at least in part in reaction to many who now openly mock any sort of religious faith or belief in this country. There are many people who will claim they have no faith of any sort, but really, they just don't recognize where they have faith of any sort. We do all have faith in something, but within that rubric, there are of course vast differences in what we have faith in, how and to what extent that faith directs our life, etc.

This country doesn't work because 50% want one thing and the other 50% want the other thing. We either have to actually start practicing being a Republic or we need to change the way we do business entirely.

We'd be way better off if the South had won the war.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Sure it does. I think you are confused.