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Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

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BassAle said:
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"computer science" people aren't the guys that fix your computer

That is like comparing the guy that changes your oil with the guy that designed the transmission in your car.
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Think of the SW hierarchy from designers to expert developers to worker bee coders. The last category.

We need to make greater use of parentheses in everyday language, dammit.
 
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Kepler said:
Not what I said. I know, I know, there is that whole "those snob liberals always look down on us working class hero conservatives" inferiority complex. But in this case it has no bearing on the dicussion. This isn't about smart vs dumb. While the smartest people I've personally met have been liberals, that's because of selection bias. If I hung out at Cato or Goldman, it would be exactly the opposite.

Agree 100%. It's much better to take R v D political ID out of the equation completely and split out economic from social conservatism/liberalism. A better target plot is the old SPQ 2x2 matrix (caveat: questions loaded to benefit that particular ideology, but we could come up with a real quiz). That would actually be an interesting exercise that I invite you to take a stab at with me: can two people with (apparently) opposite beliefs but a commitment to being honest design serious and fair questions of that type that neither feel biases the respondant? More fun than spitting at each other, anyway.

Hey, now. I don't call you Patman or dtp, so let's leave the personal insults out, shall we? ;)
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I'm 100 percent serious. This is scary stuff. While there's a part of me that's tempted to write all you libs off as just not being very smart (for want of a better term) or clued-in or in reality or whatever, and that'd be easy to do, I've come to understand that that is very intellectually lazy to do and dangerous and it puts people in boxes they don't belong in, as people are much more complicated and nuanced in their views and thoughts than we often give credit to them being. When either conservatives or liberals do such to those they disagree with, both they, and are nation, are lesser as a result. So, I just rebel whenever I see such broad sweeping generalizations thrown forth in what to me seemed a cavalier fashion.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Fine. Keep being an ostrich and think that only those you identify with are the smart ones based in reality. Really sad to see a relatively reasonable poster like you take such a backward view of people. It scares me what people with this type of mentality will do after they've debased those they oppose in their own minds. Do that to people and it's a lot easier to discriminate and do all sorts of things to these lesser people. Of course, linking this whole discussion to being GOP and conservative is a bit squishy, as those philosophies can entail folks who believe or don't believe a variety of things, with an economic conservative often having little in common with a social conservative.

I'll give you one example of someone I know. He's a physicist with a masters in physics from Cornell and a PhD in physics from ASU and he received an award as an undergraduate at the University of Washington as the outstanding student his senior year. The guy does basic cutting edge research on microchips for a major firm. The guy is blow me away brilliant. And he'd find your claims laughable. He's told me a number of times that there are lots of folks he crosses paths with in science that have similar beliefs to what he does, but also that there's a good number of folks that have very different viewpoints. To categorize people's mental capacity, ability to be in touch with reality, honesty, etc. to whether they are considered conservative or liberal or whatever is a really staggering leap of logic and rational thinking that I'm really shocked to hear it coming from you. From Scooby or Rover or those types, yah, that'd make a lot more sense.
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That's fantastic. Sounds like a fascinating person. And yet he is another fascinating person that can provide NO scientific evidence that disproves evolution.

Thanks for playing.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I'm 100 percent serious. This is scary stuff. While there's a part of me that's tempted to write all you libs off as just not being very smart (for want of a better term) or clued-in or in reality or whatever, and that'd be easy to do, I've come to understand that that is very intellectually lazy to do and dangerous and it puts people in boxes they don't belong in, as people are much more complicated and nuanced in their views and thoughts than we often give credit to them being. When either conservatives or liberals do such to those they disagree with, both they, and are nation, are lesser as a result. So, I just rebel whenever I see such broad sweeping generalizations thrown forth in what to me seemed a cavalier fashion.
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Bob. How can I put this so you will actually read it and not just respond to your prefab argument. I will try again.

IT'S NOT ABOUT INTELLIGENCE! NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE!!! PLEASE STOP TRYING TO RESPOND TO ARGUMENTS ABOUT INTELLIGENCE WHEN NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE!!!!

As for being over-broad and cavalier, well, damn, that's what the internet is for. :)
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That's fantastic. Sounds like a fascinating person. And yet he is another fascinating person that can provide NO scientific evidence that disproves evolution.
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I can disprove it. Wisconsin.

The end.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That's fantastic. Sounds like a fascinating person. And yet he is another fascinating person that can provide NO scientific evidence that disproves evolution.

Thanks for playing.
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Your claim to know anything about him is obviously laughable. I laugh at you. :p
 
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Kepler said:
Bob. How can I put this so you will actually read it and not just respond to your prefab argument. I will try again.

IT'S NOT ABOUT INTELLIGENCE! NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE!!! PLEASE STOP TRYING TO RESPOND TO ARGUMENTS ABOUT INTELLIGENCE WHEN NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE!!!!

As for being over-broad and cavalier, well, damn, that's what the internet is for. :)
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Then go back and edit your posts where you talk about intellectual povery, being reality based, etc. There's a definite slant to your comments and you know it, even if you avoid specifically saying the word intelligence and who has a clue about things or not.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Then go back and edit your posts where you talk about intellectual povery, being reality based, etc. There's a definite slant to your comments and you know it, even if you avoid specifically saying the word intelligence and who has a clue about things or not.
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Aaah yes, the old political bias argument. Isn't the term "political bias" redundant anyway?
 
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Kepler said:
The only engineers I've met who are conservatives are mid- or low-level and were trained in the military -- southerners who escaped economic but not intellectual poverty. In our parking lot if you see a McCain sticker there is always, and I mean always, an army or marines sticker too.
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This is the exact opposite of my experience in the aerospace industry. Every single company I've visited or worked at, from Vermont to Florida to Southern California to Seattle and everywhere in between, I'm continually surprised at just how conservative the industry is. This goes for military and commercial programs, and for the tiny bit that I've dabbled in space.

Now, of course, you're basically talking about the over 40 white male demographic, so it may be self selecting in that way, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with geography.

And as for Lockheed in Texas, well, if you saw a McCain sticker on a <s>car</s> truck (who are we kidding, there were hardly any cars in the parking lot - F150s and up), then that's because he never got around to covering it up with Palin stickers after the convention...
 
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LynahFan said:
This is the exact opposite of my experience in the aerospace industry. Every single company I've visited or worked at, from Vermont to Florida to Southern California to Seattle and everywhere in between, I'm continually surprised at just how conservative the industry is. This goes for military and commercial programs, and for the tiny bit that I've dabbled in space.

Now, of course, you're basically talking about the over 40 white male demographic, so it may be self selecting in that way, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with geography.

And as for Lockheed in Texas, well, if you saw a McCain sticker on a <s>car</s> truck (who are we kidding, there were hardly any cars in the parking lot - F150s and up), then that's because he never got around to covering it up with Palin stickers after the convention...
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Lockheed is part of the military-industrial complex. Of course it is in the best interest of someone in the aerospace industry to vote conservative.
 
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Despite a tax cut compromise that is supposed to keep everyone whole financially, if not better off, 51 million households will face a higher tax bill or a lower refund compared with this year.

The main culprit: The proposed payroll tax break would not be as generous for many low- and middle-income households as the tax cut it is replacing.
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As long as a handful of billionaires get to keep their millions, it's definitely worth 50M losers taking home less money.
 
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Priceless said:
As long as a handful of billionaires get to keep their millions, it's definitely worth 50M losers taking home less money.
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What's even more laughable is the hyprocritical Tea Partiers that support the bill also think they can balance the budget by cutting "discretionary" spending.

Delusion for the win.
 
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BassAle said:
Lockheed is part of the military-industrial complex. Of course it is in the best interest of someone in the aerospace industry to vote conservative.
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Doesn't this same argument extend to other scientific fields then?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
What's even more laughable is the hyprocritical Tea Partiers that support the bill
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Is this true? If the tea partiers are now full-throated Obama cheerleaders, they no longer have my support. This bill is horrible.
 
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Priceless said:
As long as a handful of billionaires get to keep their millions, it's definitely worth 50M losers taking home less money.
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I find it hard to sympathize with a group of people who by and large do not pay federal income taxes.

So we have a major deficit and debt problem, and our Congressmen/President decide to ... shovel another trillion out the door? W T F? Do these people not have a clue as to what this is going to do to the bond market and by extension commercial interest rates (and the cost of servicing the debt)? Effing morons, all of them.
 
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It must be fun to simply dismiss data so easily when you don't agree with it, but with the power that unlikely events have over people (I know a guy so clearly this is false) it's not too shocking.
 
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