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Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

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If Stewart was trying to "rally the base" wouldn't he have gone out of his way to prop Obama up in that interview?
 
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Kepler said:
Me too. I watch a lot of Dragnet. Bear with me. I love the show (particularly the radio version) because it has the beautiful, spare writing style of a Raymond Chandler novel or a Charles Lederer screenplay. But I also really admire the clean, Aristotelian logic that comes out in Joe Friday's thinking and his (frequent) speechifying. There's that same backbeat of rationality and appealing to the angels of our better nature in the great westerns and the great political dramas of the 1950's and 1960's. And that was the mental furniture of my father's and older brother's and to some extent my generation.

Now, does that still exist? Sure, it must -- someplace, although I don't see it on the small or large screen (but I'm probably not looking in the right places). People have been decrying the role models of the young for as long as there have been the young. Since those role models are now... gulp... us, I hope we try our best to display some of that clean and solid logic, tempered by patience, generosity of spirit, and empathy. Better to be too soft than too hard. The Nazis didn't come from nowhere -- they had 50 years of a slow, conscience-dulling drumbeat of ideological preparation for their crimes, and most of their philosophical precursors would have been horrified by what they did. Across multiple generations an entire nation acted out the plot of "Rope" -- the calm professors playing with a hypothetical and the eager young students taking it to heart and, finally, making it real.
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A+ for mentioning "Rope." Any chance those two guys were gay? lol. John Wayne also spoke to those virtues: "Are you Jacob McCandles? I thought you wuz dead." "Not hardly"

I think you have to look harder to find the examples you mentioned, but they're still out there. In many ways we've become a nation of Tevyes, "on the other hand, on the other hand, on the other hand." We're far more equivocal, far more inclined to feel the necessity of explaining or watering down criticism or stand-taking. "He's a drug addicted murderer, although I understand he comes from a deprived socio-economic background, was abused as a child, and had no opportunity for an Ivy League education."
 
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Slap Shot said:
If Stewart was trying to "rally the base" wouldn't he have gone out of his way to prop Obama up in that interview?
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Normally I'd say yes. But I think that interview goes VERY differently if this was a presidential election year. Although, I think Stewart is actually intellectually honest for the most part. Can't say so much for the hacks on primetime cable news. Some you can, I suppose.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Normally I'd say yes. But I think that interview goes VERY differently if this was a presidential election year. Although, I think Stewart is actually intellectually honest for the most part. Can't say so much for the hacks on primetime cable news. Some you can, I suppose.
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Somebody referred to Stewart as the gate keeper for the disappointed left. He was/is hard on the President because he thinks Obama hasn't done enough. Hasn't lived up to the hype (as if any president could). In the clips I've seen, the president seemed smaller and very defensive. And getting referred to as "dude" was not a historic moment. That's what you get on a comedy show, of course. Still, I'm not comfortable with that kind of disrespect for a president, even one I rarely agree with.
 
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Old Pio said:
Somebody referred to Stewart as the gate keeper for the disappointed left. He was/is hard on the President because he thinks Obama hasn't done enough. Hasn't lived up to the hype (as if any president could). In the clips I've seen, the president seemed smaller and very defensive. And getting referred to as "dude" was not a historic moment. That's what you get on a comedy show, of course. Still, I'm not comfortable with that kind of disrespect for a president, even one I rarely agree with.
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Well, that's what you get when you act like you're young and hip and try to blend in with the "cool, young crowd." He made his own bed there.
 
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Old Pio said:
A+ for mentioning "Rope." Any chance those two guys were gay? lol. John Wayne also spoke to those virtues: "Are you Jacob McCandles? I thought you wuz dead." "Not hardly"

I think you have to look harder to find the examples you mentioned, but they're still out there. In many ways we've become a nation of Tevyes, "on the other hand, on the other hand, on the other hand." We're far more equivocal, far more inclined to feel the necessity of explaining or watering down criticism or stand-taking. "He's a drug addicted murderer, although I understand he comes from a deprived socio-economic background, was abused as a child, and had no opportunity for an Ivy League education."
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There's some of that, but I also think we've become a nation of the foreman from 12 Angry Men. Not quite so hasty to judgment and willing to stand against "common sense" when something doesn't smell right. And I mean this on both sides, of course. There have been plenty of lone conservatives who have had to hold out against knee jerk progressives, quietly but forcefully making their points and refusing to be cowed, until all the evidence was sifted. Rooting for the outnumbered is another tradition of all those old great films. :)

On John Wayne, one of the most disheartening scenes in any movie for what it says about us is the moment in Raiders when Indiana shoots the guy with the sword. Yeah, I know all of what that scene is about, but although it was genuinely funny, I have always thought, "no way does John Wayne ever shoot that guy. He puts his hand on his gun and the guy puts the sword up and walks away." And for some reason that moment sticks in my craw and I think about it when some of our more casually violent actions of public policy play out
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Well, that's what you get when you act like you're young and hip and try to blend in with the "cool, young crowd." He made his own bed there.
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To be fair, he wouldn't have gotten elected, nevermind Obamacare without that conceit.
 
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Uh oh, John Legend singing about God at the Rally. Run for the exits!


Lots and lots of white folks there too.
 
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Kepler said:
There's some of that, but I also think we've become a nation of the foreman from 12 Angry Men. Not quite so hasty to judgment and willing to stand against "common sense" when something doesn't smell right. And I mean this on both sides, of course. There have been plenty of lone conservatives who have had to hold out against knee jerk progressives, quietly but forcefully making their points and refusing to be cowed, until all the evidence was sifted. Rooting for the outnumbered is another tradition of all those old great films. :)

On John Wayne, one of the most disheartening scenes in any movie for what it says about us is the moment in Raiders when Indiana shoots the guy with the sword. Yeah, I know all of what that scene is about, but although it was genuinely funny, I have always thought, "no way does John Wayne ever shoot that guy. He puts his hand on his gun and the guy puts the sword up and walks away." And for some reason that moment sticks in my craw and I think about it when some of our more casually violent actions of public policy play out
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The trouble is for every Henry Fonda, determined to get to the "truth" of a trial, there's at least one trial where Lee J. Cobb succeeds in hanging a jury for reasons not especially related to the matters at hand. Someone who's not going to vote to convict under any circumstances. No doubt if we ever found ourselves in the Latino boy's situation, we'd all pray to have Henry on the jury.

I'll confess, I'd never thought about that scene in "Raiders" just that way. Me, given the opportunity, I'd have used a grenade launcher to blow that big ape's turban into the next time zone. Maybe the better approach would have been Leslie Nielsen's in one of the "Naked Gun" flicks (they all kinda blend together) where he unwraps the Ayatollah's turban to reveal a multi-colored mohawk.
 
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I am glad to see Father Guido Sarducci is still kicking, but he's running really long.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK3rTUgoQD4

Speaking of funny (intentional or not) Houston congressman Sheila Jackson Lee is braying about "voter intimidation" by a Tea Party group in her home town. Maybe. Who knows? But Ms. Lee's got some work to do on her credibility. As B. Bunny would say: "what a maroon."
 
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Nice job honoring Armando Galarraga for reasonableness. Exactly what the idea is.
 
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There were HUGE crowds here in DC for this. I have no idea how many people there were, but I do know it was a lot more than they were expecting. I was down there before the rally really got started and it was very crowded, but people seemed to be enjoying themselves.

The PA system and video boards were inadequate, we couldn't hear anything and thus left to go watch it on TV.

I can't really say the program was all that entertaining, but the crowd sure was. Lots of great signs. Combine this with the halloween vibe in DC, and it was a lot of fun.

That said, NPS did a horrible job preparing for a crowd of this size. I think it was far larger than anyone anticipated.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Someone said we now need a Rally to Restore Comedy.
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The Wednesday after the midterms people will start ramping up in Iowa and NH. That's usually good for a couple years' worth of comedy.
 
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Kepler said:
The Wednesday after the midterms people will start ramping up in Iowa and NH. That's usually good for a couple years' worth of comedy.
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3 years at minimum. Two years of campaigning, one year of people whining and b*tc hing about how two states like Iowa and NH are so important...
 
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ffs... NO IT ISN'T!!! Go back and look at how many people who have won iowa go on to win the presidency. The number is tiny. Ridiculously tiny. This is a case of "Marsha Brady" syndrome.
 
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