Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

And then we kept those rates and stiffled the economy and didn't get it going again until we cut the rates.

And cutting the rates just happened to correspond to the end of the oil shock. If you think Clinton's economy was an aberration of the dot com bubble, how do you think the Reagan expansion happened? Not to mention the fact that Reagan financed his by exploding the debt -- as Walter Mondale himself said, anybody can create a good short term economy if you let them write hot checks.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Speaking of failures.

 

[busterman62]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Speaking of failures.

Live from Federal Pound Me In The A-s-s Prison, the new hit series "Dancing with Bubba"

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Live from Federal Pound Me In The A-s-s Prison, the new hit series "Dancing with Bubba"

If only.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

For those of you fearin socialism...top 5 socialist states by govt expenditures:

1. West Va
2. Alaska
3. Alabama
4. Vermont
5. New Mexico

The next 3 are Mississippi, Wyoming and Arkansas

6 of which went GOP in the last presidential election.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

I forget where I read it, and I'm sure a decent amount of it was posturing, but DeLay's lawyers sounded pretty darned optimistic about the case on appeal.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

I forget where I read it, and I'm sure a decent amount of it was posturing, but DeLay's lawyers sounded pretty darned optimistic about the case on appeal.

He's hoping by then SCOTUS will have ruled that dollars can serve on juries.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

For those of you fearin socialism...top 5 socialist states by govt expenditures:

1. West Va
2. Alaska
3. Alabama
4. Vermont
5. New Mexico

The next 3 are Mississippi, Wyoming and Arkansas

6 of which went GOP in the last presidential election.

West Virginia has two Democratic Senators, and a Democratic governor.
Alaska loves their pork, reference the Senate election for details.
Alabama's pretty red, but they've had Democratic governors recently.
Vermont has an actual Socialist as a Senator, along with a Democratic senator and a Democratic governor.
New Mexico has 2 Democratic Senators and until January will have a Democratic governor.

I think that's a lot more indicative than who they voted for for President.

Edit: To clarify, I sort of agree with you that it's rather hypocritical. However, who do you think is more influential in bringing home the bacon to a specific state, a President (who runs the entire country) or a Senator or Governor (who have the interests of their state first)?

 

[Rimbaud]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

West Virginia has two Democratic Senators, and a Democratic governor.
Alaska loves their pork, reference the Senate election for details.
Alabama's pretty red, but they've had Democratic governors recently.
Vermont has an actual Socialist as a Senator, along with a Democratic senator and a Democratic governor.
New Mexico has 2 Democratic Senators and until January will have a Democratic governor.

I think that's a lot more indicative than who they voted for for President.

I think Ds in Alabama and West Virginia are different than Ds in most other states, just like what siblings in Alabama and West Virginia do with each other is different than what they do together in most other states.

 

[walrus]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

For those of you fearin socialism...top 5 socialist states by govt expenditures:

1. West Va
2. Alaska
3. Alabama
4. Vermont
5. New Mexico

The next 3 are Mississippi, Wyoming and Arkansas

6 of which went GOP in the last presidential election.

Miane isn't in the top 8, wow, cause the Maine govt ****es away money to DHS like it grows on trees

 

[walrus]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

He's hoping by then SCOTUS will have ruled that dollars can serve on juries.

Obama is printing up plenty, he should be able to find some that will let him go

 

[ScottM]

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I forget where I read it, and I'm sure a decent amount of it was posturing, but DeLay's lawyers sounded pretty darned optimistic about the case on appeal.

Every lawyer sounds optimistic about the appellate process.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Every lawyer sounds optimistic about the appellate process.

Right. Maybe it was just the way the article was written, or maybe I interpreted it wrong, but I'm saying these guys sounded really optimistic.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

West Virginia has two Democratic Senators, and a Democratic governor.
Alaska loves their pork, reference the Senate election for details.
Alabama's pretty red, but they've had Democratic governors recently.
Vermont has an actual Socialist as a Senator, along with a Democratic senator and a Democratic governor.
New Mexico has 2 Democratic Senators and until January will have a Democratic governor.

I think that's a lot more indicative than who they voted for for President.

Edit: To clarify, I sort of agree with you that it's rather hypocritical. However, who do you think is more influential in bringing home the bacon to a specific state, a President (who runs the entire country) or a Senator or Governor (who have the interests of their state first)?

I think the point is that red voters who decry Dagnabbed Gubmint Spendin' have their snouts in the trough just as or more deeply than blue voters who at least believe in it, so they're either hypocrites or they're idiots who want the government out of their Medicare.

BTW, WV is going to crater now that the Klansman has left the building.

I'm shocked Hawaii isn't in the top 5. Inouye is great at shaking the tree, Akaka is great at doing whatever Inouye says, and it also fits your profile as a Dem one party state (albeit with an obtuse Palin-jeans-creaming Republican governor).

 

[WeWantMore]

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I think the point is that red voters who decry "Dagnabbed Gubmint Spendin'" have their snouts in the trough just as or more deeply than blue voters who at least believe in it, so they're either hypocrites or they're idiots who want the government out of their Medicare.

Right, and I'm saying I agree with that, at least to some extent. However, I'm saying the line about presidential preferences at the end of 5mn's post was rather irrelevant. The President doesn't play a large role in doling out the pork.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Right, and I'm saying I agree with that, at least to some extent. However, I'm saying the line about presidential preferences at the end of 5mn's post was rather irrelevant. The President doesn't play a large role in doling out the pork.

And all this time Freep has been assuring us that Obama has been using pork to reward his constituents. I was really hoping for my 40 acres in Old Town Alexandria* and a mule!

(* for those of you not from these parts, that would give me the rough property value equivalent of all of Wisconsin)

 

[ScottM]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Right. Maybe it was just the way the article was written, or maybe I interpreted it wrong, but I'm saying these guys sounded really optimistic.

The only thing that may help is that the conviction was at the state level, and I'm not overly familiar with Texas' money laundering statutes. As well, the Texas courts are often pretty political in nature. If it was a federal conviction, being in the 5th Circuit wouldn't help and DeLay would probably want to begin working on his "yard rep".

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

The only thing that may help is that the conviction was at the state level, and I'm not overly familiar with Texas' money laundering statutes. As well, the Texas courts are often pretty political in nature. If it was a federal conviction, being in the 5th Circuit wouldn't help and DeLay would probably want to begin working on his "yard rep".

Beat up a CFO the first day, then nobody messes with you.

 

[Craig P.]

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Unfortunately a lot of people don't want to tie voting to citizenship, although they'd never say it that straightforwardly. That's why Arizona is getting heat for a simple requirement that you have proof you are who you are at the polling place.

Sadly, there probably are a number of people who want illegals to vote who are against the ID requirement, at least in AZ.

However, it's also been roundly unpopular in some quarters in parts of the country (e.g. Indiana) where there is not a substantial illegal immigrant presence. There are some legitimate concerns about ID requirements tending to disenfranchise a portion of the poor/elderly voting bloc, which also coincidentally (or not so coincidentally) tends to vote heavily Democrat.

I'm not necessarily against stronger ID requirements as a strike against one form of election fraud, but I'd like to see it offset by measures against electronic election fraud. The things that are possible and undetectable for only one person (or a small group) with the right access to pull off in most of the all-electronic systems are truly frightening.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Right, and I'm saying I agree with that, at least to some extent. However, I'm saying the line about presidential preferences at the end of 5mn's post was rather irrelevant. The President doesn't play a large role in doling out the pork.

As probably the cleanest recent national referendum on preference of conservative vs liberal leadership...the presidential election saw the majority of these 'socialist' states vote for conservatism. Whether obvious or not, this is quite relevant.